Printable View
Heh...so what were you stealing?
Probably some MP3s from his favorite boy-bands.
That sucks dude.
But remember this, submitting "proof" that the infringing items have been removed also admits being guilty of said accusations.
Can ISPs do that?
Do they actually try and catch people out on a regular basis?
How do they do it?
Again, I agree that that sucks
Hmmm...doesnt suprise, EA is being real nazis about Sims2.
I'm going to stop using p2p now I think, just to be safe.
Do you only use bittorrent, or is that the only one they actually picked up on?
So, uh.... is it true then that you were indeed offering those games to be downloaded via BT?
Sounds like he pirated half the series
What happens if he don't delete them, is there a huge fine or something, or jail even?
They're definitely going after users of bit torrent. I'm not that worried about it. From what I've gathered from a couple of other places, it's more than likely just a warning. Any future complaints and I lose my internet service. I'm just wondering if that's the general consesus.
I don't use P2P for anything. You never know when Dewey, Cheatem, & Howe are going to strike- even if you're not guilty of anything, the accusation can potentially put you through so much hell.
Skeletor- if anything is on that site, get it off of there pronto and hope they don't do anything more.
Keep in mind there are P2P spy companies (BayTSP and Ranger Online for a couple) out there that work for ESA and RIAA. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...1/BU289815.DTL
BayTSP was founded by a former computer hacker, Mark Ishikawa- who has been widely reviled by more than a few. On the other hand, Mr. Ishikawa has been helping keep tabs on Bin Laden. He says the FBI thinks terrorists are sharing information by hiding it in images posted on eBay using a process called steganography.
I'll keep playing the odds and using P2P and BT. Chances that they'll come after me are slim.
If I can dodge jury duty by not showing up 3 times, I can dodge the RIAA/Etc.
I'd avoid BT definately, and especially the SIMs by the sound of it.
Just dont download anything stupid. I mean, of course they are going to go after people sharing games when a huge game has just been released. Same thing with movies. But with BT and music they can get you only for 1 album. It really isnt worth it to go after somebody sharing like 15 songs. So keep downloading away people...
And yeah, it is pretty much just a warning, but like I said, EA are being nazis about it so Id be careful.
Yeah, I've already hung up my hat and peg leg.
I've heard of the RIAA actually suing people but I don't recall if the ESA has has ever done that.
That's how I see it. Downloading stuff like that is dumb. Stop it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mman
Right, keep it for porn and porn alone. You're always safe with pornography.
James
I love threads like this. How dare these companies protect their intellectual property. I'm no fan of EA, but at least they aren't criminals.
Legal porn
All you pedos
While I have to agree with you here, I think I would rather be called a criminal than a greedy multinational corporation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
That's pretty sad, considering the entire point of forming a corporation is to make money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mman
Exactly, make money above all else. I see this philosphy as wrong, you may not. Not sure what is so sad about that.
Anyone else read Terry Pratchett's new Diskworld book, Gone Postal? A lot of points in it tie into this particular exchange quite nicely, plus it was one of the better books in the series as well.
I'd rather be a petty thief than a board member of RIAA, WalMart, or any of those other companies/organizations. Admitted, I haven't pirated a game in years now, but if I had to choose it wouldn't be too hard to do. Except for the temptation of all the millions of $$$ I'd make, of course.
It always amazes me how people see maximizing short-term profits is more important than developing your long-term interests.
James
You're being an idiot. EA is going after people pirating their software, not burning Jews. They're not doing anything wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mman
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint of Killers
I was more refering to the fact that you cannot install the game on your computer if it detects a CD burning program like Easy CD Creator or Nero. And calling somebody a nazi does not imply they burn jews...get some context.
You never know when it may start doing so. With the MPAA probably getting in on the act hence the Rated I for Illegal Download ad, I wouldn't bet against the ESA following suit (bad pun, I know).Quote:
Originally Posted by Skeletor
Yeah. They might be gasing Jews instead. They might be offended by saying that they burn them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mman
You do realize that philosophy keeps companys from going bankrupt, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mman
So um... what's a corporation supposed to do if it dosen't make money?
Really confused here, curse EA for making money and stopping people from stealing their software :confused:
But of course people will say whatever just for a chance to come down on "teh evil" EA, if he was taking something like Katamari Damacy he would be "OMG EVIL"
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Hey -- I understand why people pirate: it's cuz they're either poor or don't feel whatever it is they're pirating is worth the money. My advice is to do what people did back in they day: do without the thing you can't afford or don't feel is worth your goddamned money, you cheap fucks.
Word. It's a simple equation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roufuss
Pirate instead of sales= no money from sales=no money for game development=no more games= nothing for you to pirate.
I don't see why that's so hard to understand.
Well, not all of us are Uncle Scrooging it in the big bucks right now, so until that day comes for me I pirate. Once I got some money in my pocket again Ill have no need to,but until then I have to make due.Going without is not an option Brisco.
Oh bullshit. Video games and other electronic media are NOT necessities in life. It's easy to justify stealing food and water since they're sort of needed to live, but games and other things are merely luxuries. If you haven't got the money, that doesn't give you the right to steal it and eventually make those who DO have the money pay more for it.
You can't tell this to people these days, because they think that whatever they want, they deserve to get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brisco Bold
hahahaha, busted downloading the sims
what's more embarassing, getting caught or getting caught downloading that?!
p.s. my isp gets email like that all the fucking time but they just discard it.
Brilliant! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mman
Just to clarify my above post- I've got no problem with EA protecting their games and going after people pirating it. I blame the lack of clarity on today being a lazy day off for me, of the kind I don't get too often. Mmm... lazy...
However-
Nothing wrong with making money at all, but the line you're misquoting is "make money above all else". Without the second half of the phrase you've missed the entire point.Quote:
So um... what's a corporation supposed to do if it dosen't make money?
James
:yuck:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
Well, thats easy to say when you have the money in your pockets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
And I'm not stealing - Im sharing and being shared to ;)
Thankyou. I don't believe that he has the right to download video games, whether EA or by any other company. I myself have never downloaded new video games (yeah, ive downloaded old roms and pc games).Quote:
Originally Posted by James
And Yoshi...have you never heard of hyperbole? I mean, people didnt seem to mind it when Seinfeld had a soup nazi.
WHATS A HYPERBOWL?
I think that if a game I wanted wouldn't let me install it because I have burning software, I would have absolutely no problem stealing and cracking it.
I kill copy protection on every PC game I install. It's my property, I made a full install, I'm not having the stupid thing slow down my PC every 3 seconds because somebody is feeling paranoid. Of course, at this point we've gone from talking about getting nabbed P2Ping it to legitimate complaints about idiot protection schemes that just plain don't work, but why stop now?
James
I'd rather be "a greedy multinational corporation" at least I'd get paid well. Or cook the books well enough to recieve a profit on my taxes ^-^. Only stuff I download is stuff I cannot rip myself (ie DVDs cause my pc has no dvd/cd drive) and tv shows/anime not sold in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mman
Pay the goddamn artists, if you don't like the price, wait a while or buy it from someone who hated it, hell I just sold fable for $30. Far more reasonable than the $50 i dropped down.
Buying 2nd hand is no better than piracy. Its robbing the creators just as much. The only difference is that some douche is getting your money for it.
Actually, you kinda buy a licence to play the game, not the game itself. it still remains the property of the developers.Quote:
Originally Posted by James
While it is true that in both cases no money is given back to the original company / creators, there is indeed a difference because the copy you purchase was originally purchased properly. If you just download the game off of the internet, it could theoretically be a case where only one copy was ever purchased legally and then everybody else just downloaded it. It would be pretty hard to have a situation where only one copy of the game was ever purchased legally and then that copy was passed around from player to player via used game sales.Quote:
Originally Posted by arjue
If you don't have the money to legally purchase games, then you should be spending your time trying to improve your financial situation instead of playing games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetman
Ding ding ding! Logic prevails.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
I feel no remorse for your loss. You made an infraction on their rights and now you are being reprimanded for it. This is a the burden for those who get caught.
IAWTP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
But it could have been any of us, although downloading an entire game is a bit over the top.
When half life CS first came, years ago, I went and bought it, but after moving house, it was lost, and so I downloaded it, but steam was a bitch and would not let me in with a generated serial. What is your opinion on that, if I were fined for downloading it? I bought it in the first place, at the same price of others, yet I cannot use it, which sucks.
But you lost the game. While I understand your problem, it ultimately boils down to you losing your own property. If you dropped some cash in the street one day and couldn't find it, would you just expect the bank to give you more money for nothing?
No, it couldn't. Contrary to popular and idiotic opinion around here, not everyone who posts on TNL is a thief.Quote:
Originally Posted by burky
I quit a decent paying job ( God, I miss the weekly Best Buy runs)so that I could go back to school. It was a risk, but it had to be done - and I needed to avoid one of those mid-life crisis' - so in a way I AM trying to eventually improve my financial situation again. And yeah, I dont nearly play as much games as I'd like , due to school and work and trying to scrape out an existence. Ask those people who have LIVE and/or play SCPT and have me on their friends list how often I come on - next to never and its not because I dont want to :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
I always legally purchase games. The only thing I really DL is music. Which is probably still just as bad.
Im a grown man. I know what I'm doing. I'm not going to try and justify what it is Im doing.And Ill just have to pay the price if I get caught and own up to it like a man. <shrugs>
To each his own, ya know.
If you are buying all of your music and stuff - Rock On. Ive played the consumer game like we all have and have spent tons of cash on music,movies,and games. I just need a little break from that spending at this point.
But hey , you know how the saying goes - excuses are like assholes - everyones got em.
Though I know that legally that's true, I decided years ago that it wasn't a rule I felt like playing by. If the Namco Secret Police want to reposess my copy of Katamari Damacy they're going to have one hell of a fight on their hands. I own it, I didn't license it, it's mine.Quote:
Actually, you kinda buy a licence to play the game, not the game itself. it still remains the property of the developers.
James
I'm not sure what you think is so hard about this, but when you bought the game from the store you bought the CD's and that particular game. If you lose it, it's your fault. You have to buy another one.Quote:
Originally Posted by burky
I personally don't care about pirating. I don't care if you pirate or not, it doesn't bother me.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetman
Uh, contradicting statements? :wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetman
I think he meant that he legally purchases them, and just pirates as a last resort. Also, buying used isn't as "bad" as piracy, as the money used for that just goes towards the retail section of the industry, while buying new supports that section, the publishing, and the developing sections of it. Of course, then you have used games being sold as new, and lord knows if the money from those goes to the publisher, or just lines the pockets of the retailer.
I was only make a point about that particular instance; but morally upon pirating it I feel it [EDIT- typo] not to be wrong, although I agree I was an idiot for losing it.
I disagree about pirating in general, apart from where stuff is unavailable over here, as mentioned previously; e.g., I downloaded HOTD as it was as US only release.
Main reason is against is that in the end you're screwing yourself, as less money for them means less research, which means a crappier future product.
Uh, no. :|Quote:
Originally Posted by CVM
Check the last couple of months of haul threads in Gaming discussion to see how little Ive contributed lately.The only game Ive bought recently is Guilty Gear XX Reload and I put a downpayment on HALO 2. And honestly, for as much stuff as I want ,thats probably all Ill be able to buy for the rest of the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetman
That would still make the latter statement untrue, but I get your point. I'd like to point out that I'm not squeaky-clean myself. Anything that's available, I'll buy, but I use MAME for retro stuff that isn't being sold anymore. The way I see it, if the industry isn't selling the products anymore, they won't be making a profit on them. So getting in on the MAME love doesn't harm the industry. I've never pirated a game that is readily available to me for purchase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
It's more fun to have all the original retro gear though; e.g., playing Mario 3 on a genuine NES/SNES is way better, if you can afford it and get hold of it.
I agree 100% with you there. Having the gear itself is awesome. I count most consoles as being available, since I can still get these 2nd hand quite easily. Most of the stuff I emulate are arcade games that are less-readily available, and very pricey (stuff like Esprade, for instance).Quote:
Originally Posted by burky
Jetman, I stand corrected. I must've blinked and missed that line. No harm done.
;)
Bah, no sweat man.Quote:
Originally Posted by CVM
And yeah, I still have all of my retro gaming gear too. I catch a lot of comments from friends when they see my room/gaming set-up or something for the first time - "OMG - You still have one of those! WTF ". A lot of the poeple I hang out with are casual gamers at best so I get that line a lot.
actually, if you hook up a s/nes pad to a decent PC and emulate, its very hard to tell the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by burky
Plus you don't have to blow untill your blue in the face on a rom file to get it to play.
/has a NES that works perfectly, still uses nester on his HTPC.
Maybe it isn't so bad having emulators, but I got a genesis, NES, a SNES and a Colleco (made in 1984, about $10 from a car boot sale), and I don't regret having bought any of them; they will only ever increase in value, until they break that is, and for the time being they are great.
Besides, spending half an hour blowing an old game is half the fun of a retro console.
I think I got something in the mail about jury duty like, 10 years ago, but I just threw it out. Haven't heard anything since.Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
If you lack the money, save up for a little while- or buy it secondhand. Games that are currently in print and being used as breadwinners by the manufacturer and retailers should not be P2Ped or downloaded. Doing so cuts into sales numbers and the developer/publisher profit, meaning the potential sequel may not be greenlighted. There are some good freeware/doujin games out there, so look around for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetman
Emulators like those for 16/32 bit stuff and MAME are not real issues, since most games supported by them are abandonware. If by luck certain games do reappear on compilations, I'll buy them.
Pirates are a reason for these hasslesome protection schemes.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by burky