Smartjoy FRAG

Honestly, this is what you jackholes get for playing online games. Go get some friends, two TVs, and two Xboxes.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

Microsoft has gone to great lengths to make sure there is no mouse for Xbox.

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Because they were trying (to little effect for some) to avoid having the Xbox labelled as "PC Lite," and offering a keyboard and mouse would only reenforce the image they were trying to get away from. It was about making a system seen as a console just like what Sony and Nintendo were putting out to capture a new demographic. Had nothing to do with whether or not they wanted people playing FPS' with a mouse.

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Originally Posted by MarkRyan

I'll take on anyone playing with KBM using an S controller in Halo without any complaints. I lose I lose--but I probably won't, because I'm too good at that game.

Honestly, the controls in Halo are so good that I don't think my game would be improved with a KBM setup. I never have a problem with the controller anymore.

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You are the first Halo fan I have seen with a healthy response to this. You win.

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Originally Posted by toxic

I think you maybe underestimating the large amount of PC FPS players who hate playing with joypads on consoles .. and will shun FPS games in general.

So right there, that will attract more people. So if more people are attracted to a game, other developers will port their PC game to console because there is a larger audience.

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Attract more people to XBL? Wake up, man. The games are better on PC and you don't have to pay to play them online. Why the hell would anyone go from PC to XBL for a FPS?

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

Attract more people to XBL? Wake up, man. The games are better on PC and you don't have to pay to play them online. Why the hell would anyone go from PC to XBL for a FPS?

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To play console-exclusive FPS? Assuming you have a low end computer, you could get better performance/frame rates? The ability to destroy lesser competition? Those would be a few reason to leave PC for console.

But yeah, you wouldn't leave CS:S to play CS on an Xbox. I was not saying you were going to see some mass exodus to console gaming.

I just think there are people like me who shun FPS's on console, who now will buy them and rent them because they will be less frustrating.

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Originally Posted by toxic

To play console-exclusive FPS? Assuming you have a low end computer, you could get better performance/frame rates? The ability to destroy lesser competition? Those would be a few reason to leave PC for console.

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PC FPS > Console-exclusive FPS, and there has never been an exception to that. The pinnacle of the genre has never, ever been on a console. If you have a shit PC, you are not a PC gamer at heart, so that's out. Lesser competition would be the most pathetic reason of all time. That's like an 18 year-old signing up for under 12 football.

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I just think there are people like me who shun FPS's on console, who now will buy them and rent them because they will be less frustrating.

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So are you the shit PC owner or the 18 year-old beating up little kids?

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Originally Posted by Mzo

Anyone that defends a pad over the m/kb combo is an idiot and wrong.

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I wasn't defending the pad as superior, I'm labeling the m/kb as inconvenient for playing games on my couch.

Sitting any which way I want with a pad > Hunched over the coffee table with m/kb

Besides, I don't find ESDF to be as good as a single analogue stick for control, and it's harder on the fingers.

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Originally Posted by MechDeus

But I've also got a strong feeling that this product doesn't do such a thing, it merely gives a more comfortable control scheme to PC users while removing the benefits (which includes being able to hotkey everything and never scrolling through weapon/ability/item lists)

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That's probably true.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

PC FPS > Console-exclusive FPS, and there has never been an exception to that. The pinnacle of the genre has never, ever been on a console. If you have a shit PC, you are not a PC gamer at heart, so that's out. Lesser competition would be the most pathetic reason of all time. That's like an 18 year-old signing up for under 12 football.

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there is a lot to be said for xbox live's communal aspect. ut2004 is a much better fps than anything currently on xbox, but i almost enjoy myself more with rainbow six 3, thanks in large part to my friends list and voice chat. and yes, i know about xfire, and i know voice chat is supported in ut2004. it's just that very few people use both, and the features just aren't as seamlessly integrated.

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Originally Posted by FuryFox

I wasn't defending the pad as superior, I'm labeling the m/kb as inconvenient for playing games on my couch.

Sitting any which way I want with a pad > Hunched over the coffee table with m/kb

Besides, I don't find ESDF to be as good as a single analogue stick for control, and it's harder on the fingers.

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That wasn't aimed at you... someone mentioned people who said that pad was better than a kb/m PERIOD, and that slipped out of me.

I won't be buying this thing, Halo plays just fine with the pad.

I don't know. While playing UT and Q3 and all those games, I had more fun hopping into IRC channels and setting up clan matches/scrimmages/practices/whatever (with Teamsound, etc) than I did with a freinds list and "optimatch".

I won't argue that Live is easier to get into, because it definitely is, but I liken it to fiddling with my PC. It was just fun to do the work. Maybe that sounds weird, I dunno.