Japan sucks

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

What great Eastern games? What great ones are still coming out?

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You are acutally going to argue with NeoZeedeater?

Good luck with that.

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Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater

EA Canada makes good stuff although it's not my kind of thing. Ubisoft Montreal has Prince of Persia. France has Beyond Good & Evil and Kya(I think it's great, most haven't played it), I'm looking forward to Norway's The Longest Journey sequel, Finland has Max Payne, Starbreeze of Sweden made Riddick on Xbox.

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ok, so I was right. I still haven't played PoP, so I can't comment on that, but I wouldn't call any of the rest of those great. Yes, I am a jaded son of a bitch, but you already knew that.

edit: I almost forgot...

USA! USA! USA!

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

I'm calling bullshit. Outside of BioWare and Rockstar North, what Western but non-US developers are making great games right now? Perhaps this is just ignorance on my part, but nothing is coming to mind.

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UbiSoft Montreal (Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow multiplayer, Prince of Persia, PoP 2, Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory)
Ancel's Ubisoft Team (BG&E)
EA Canada (the SSX games, among others)
Codemasters (TOCA Race Driver 2)
Free Radical (Timesplitters 2, Timesplitters 3, Second Sight)

Just a few that come to mind. UbiSoft Montreal alone has produced more Grade A titles than most Japanese publishers in the past year.

Oh, I just remembered one I know Yoshi likes, Freedom Force. It was developed by Irrational Games' Australian team.

unreal tournament 2004. duh.

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Originally Posted by sleeveboy

UbiSoft Montreal (Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow multiplayer, Prince of Persia, PoP 2, Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory)
Ancel's Ubisoft Team (BG&E)
EA Canada (the SSX games, among others)
Codemasters (TOCA Race Driver 2)
Free Radical (Timesplitters 2, Timesplitters 3, Second Sight)

Just a few that come to mind. UbiSoft Montreal alone has produced more Grade A titles than most Japanese publishers in the past year.

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Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow was done in Shanghai, not Montreal.

Codemasters' Colin McRae games.
DICE's RalliSport Challenge and Battlefield games.

They're European.

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Originally Posted by JefmcC

Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow was done in Shanghai, not Montreal.

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I believe the single player was done in Shanghai, and the multiplayer in Montreal. Could be wrong.

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Originally Posted by MarkRyan

Codemasters' Colin McRae games.
DICE's RalliSport Challenge and Battlefield games.

They're European.

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Which would still make them "Western", eh?

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Originally Posted by JefmcC

Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow was done in Shanghai, not Montreal.

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the good half (multiplayer) is montreal's, if i remember correctly.

Western-developed games that fit into the genres that Japanese developers focus on are by and large crappy. There's two different types of RPGs. The JRPGs, which aren't RPGs so much as they are adventure games with leveling up, and the CRPGs, which is what KoTOR is. Not really a comparison. Japan's always (well, for the last bunch of years) been about JRPGs, platformers, rhythm games and arcade-type games, and they're still better in Japan. About the only thing that US has taken over is the racing genre, but since I contend that F-Zero GX is still the best arcade racer, I think even that one's arguable.

You can argue that sales determines quality and all that, but since most of you think most people are idiots anyhow, I don't see why you'd fall back on that. Just play what you like.