Star Wars Episode III official thread

I am in no way saying that this is better than all six. Its better than the last 2 shitfests. This one is definitly ranked AFTER IV-VI.

The neat-o thing is that just like recon_zero said. They eluded to so much sh*t that its amazing. They even mentioned him trying to destroy the Republic from within ... isn't that something that was mentioned in the books(ie: VII-IX)? Meaning Luke realizes that he f*cked up and should have joined his dad.

I know I'm probably reading WAY into this, but when Anakin sliced off Mace's hand and then realized he messed up. I really didn't see a problem with it. To me, it looked like he saw what Palpatine told him. Mace was going to kill an unarmed man, take over the Senate and maybe rule the galaxy. So he sliced off his hand to stop him. But he realized after Palpatine was electrocuting Mace, that he messed up. At that point he should have killed Palpatine. He makes up for that mistake in RoJ; when he Tosses the f*cker off the catwalk.

Not to defend Lucas, but Anakin's robe caught on fire from the lava; hence him burning.

OW didn't kill him; because he was like a "brother" to him. That's why he died so easily in "New Hope". OW realized he should have finished the job, but I'll have the son do it for me. OW thinks that Luke is the "Chosen One", but in fact it WAS Anakin. Anakin fulfilled his destiny and brought balance to the force. Not the whiny brat named Luke, he took credit for what his Father did. Bastard.

But I will say that the one thing wrong with the Mace/Palp part was pacing. It seemed WAY to fast, but I was fine with it.

Few funny things and thoughts:

-I booed when LucasFilms appeared. People laughed.

-I laughed at the "WAR!" part too. To be real, if you think how the whole thing was worded. It was like the guy was in a AOL chatroom. "WAR! OMFG! JEDI GET F*CKED UP! CLONES ARE EVERYWHERE! SENATOR TOLD JEDI TO ... STFU! "

-C3-PO was the new Jar Jar. He was so darn annoying. And I used to like C3-PO.

-Republic Drones suck. R2-D2 beat their asses on a regular basis.

-Why was their a "car" chase in RotS? I put my head in my hands when I saw that.

-Yoda walking into the Senators room and throwing the two guys in the wall. That made me laugh. He walked in like he was the Mack Daddy. I said in the theater that Yoda should have said "Bitches." "Bitch ass kick I will."

-Seeing Yoda on Chewies shoulder. That was funny.

-How Portman went from "damn fine looking" to "Butter". Looked hot "Butter" face.

-How the child said "Master Skywalker all the Jedi are dead"- in deadpan English. Then you see his right arm flick down and here the "BZZZT". I am a Darth Vader fan.

-When OW and Anakin finally fight, the sun is behind OW. And the darkened faculity, that has the glowing eyes, is behind Anakin.

-How in most of the movie Anakin's face is darkened. Either left or right.

-When the camera was behind Anakin his hairdo made it look like the "Helmut" for Darth.

-How evil Anakin could be.

-The first breathing of Darth made me go into a evil laugh. I was hyped at that point, until ...

-The "NOOOOO!" scream. That was gayer than Queer Eye for the Straight guy.

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Originally Posted by gamevet

Considering that they had to build the first Death Star during a time of war, the resources(Manpower) could have been more limited. Also, its more than just a couple of years between A New Hope and ROTJ. I'm guessing that the Emporer began construction of a new Death Star, shortly after the first one was destroyed. Also,Luke didn't become as powerful as he was in ROTJ, with just a couple of years in training between ESB and ROTJ. Wasn't he in his late 20's/early 30's by then?

I'd guess they were around 50 years old. When Anakin first met them in Ep.2, they were probably around the same age as him, or just a bit older. Wasn't Anakin around 24 in Ep.3? Luke was 18 in A New Hope , so if Beru and Owen were around 27 in Ep.3, that would peg them at an age of 45.

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I would say knowing they probably began the second death star not long after the first, the rebels just didn't know they were building a second one till later on

also does he ever give an exact age in the movies for Luke, I always pegged him in the 18 - 20 year old range but I dont remember them saying an exact age in the movies

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Originally Posted by recon_zero

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I liked R2 kicked some ass and the thing that Palpatine may have get Ani's mom pregnant is shocking

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I don't think that's exactly what lucas was trying to say, because of later on he mentions that they don't know hwo to save padme exactly but working together they can figure out Plagas old teachings, I'm gonna guess that Plagas' apprentice who he taught everything to and then killed him never passed that knowledge on, just what happened

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Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv

I don't think that's exactly what lucas was trying to say, because of later on he mentions that they don't know hwo to save padme exactly but working together they can figure out Plagas old teachings, I'm gonna guess that Plagas' apprentice who he taught everything to and then killed him never passed that knowledge on, just what happened

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Actually, Palp was Darth Plagus' apprentice. I didn't get the impression that Plagus or Palp had anything to do with knocking up Anakin's mom, however. He was just playing to Anakin's fears of Padme dying and offering him a possible solution.

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Originally Posted by Cowutopia

I wouldn't be surprised if those people hadn't seen Star Wars Iv-VI until they were redone by Lucas.

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In my first viewing of the original trilogy: Greedo shot first, Han spoke with Jabba, the explosions were a bit better, and the Sarlacc looked like a fucked up pirahna plant instead of just a pit with teeth and tentacles. (Among other changes.) I then viewed the original originals.

It's interesting that you bring that up and say it in such a derisive manner, as though fandom has different levels and people who didn't see the originals first aren't as "good" fans or something. I liken that sort of attitude to the folks who listen to a band and then insult people who listen to the band after it gets famous - the "I was here first!" complex.

Anyway, I saw Revenge last night. I'd say that it's a much better film than, "It was pretty good, fairly entertaining," but there are several things keeping it from being, "It was great! I loved it wholly!" A lot of the acting seemed like only one or two cuts were done in a scene. Still, I was not fully convinced that Anakin and Padme were really in love; however, as I think about it more, that may have been intentional. Too much happened in a short amount of time between "You're the Sith Lord!" and "I pledge myself to your teachings.". Not enough to make it unbelievable, just hard to accept it happening. There needed to be a little bit more conflict between Anakin's decent side and his selfish side.

That said, there were a couple of really good things: Ewan really looked like a young Alec Guinness. The voice wasn't totally on all of the time, but most of the time. Also, there was no wimping out and having Obi Wan reveal he stowed away with Padme and no trying to clear up Anakin's misconceptions once he fully embraced the Dark Side. Lastly, Yoda explaining that the prophecy was misquoted by Windu, Kenobi and the others. Did Qui Gonn also misread it? I'll have to pop in Episode 1 now to verify. Hayden was good with all of the scenes except for the "I love you" stuff and Natalie carried the Padme role well for the first time. I actually got the impression that she was truly concerned about him and really didn't want to be shut out.

My ranking of the films is as such: Empire, Jedi, (tie) New Hope and Revenge, Phantom Menace, and then Clones. The Empire Strikes Back was just an all-around solid film and I enjoy it immensely every time I watch it with no want to skip through parts. For me, knowing what Return of the Jedi embodies coupled with the Jabba scene, speeder bike chase, final battle, and Vader/Luke duel makes it a great second. Ewoks notwithstanding.

New Hope, being the original, is actually slightly above Revenge of the Sith since it was the first. I put them as a tie, though, because I think both will be about the same level of enjoyment to me, just for different reasons. There is new meaning in a lot of New Hope's scenes because of Revenge, probably the most amount of new meaning in the three aside from Vader redeeming himself.

Phantom Menace still holds a bit of mysticism over me with Liam Neeson's performance and the foreboding. I, for one, liked the pod race part and the duel with Darth Maul. I also liked the battle with the droid army.

As for Attack of the Clones, I consider it filler to bridge Episode 1's events with Episode 3's. If I were to watch it again, I'd skip to the Obi Wan/Jango Fett fight, then to Anakin killing the Sandpeople and his feelings about it.

So, in numbers, 5, 6, 4 & 3, 1, 2. That's just my opinion: Really good, but not quite awesome.

After reading through some of the thread I have to say this:

Anyone who thinks that Anakin was truly shocked by Palpatine's revelation is hideously off. Just a few scenes earlier Anakin was hungry for information about keeping people from death with the force, lapping up what Palpatine was telling him about the Sith. Anakin was not dumb or naive by that point, he knew what was going on. The reason he reacted the way he did was that he didn't want such a negative label attached to the thoughts in his head. He wanted a "good" explanation for his messed up ideas and Palpatine shattered it by revealing his true nature.

Being the selfish product of a rigid order of stodgy conservatives (the Jedi), Anakin thought that they could just arrest Palpatine and he could still learn how to keep Padme alive. Selfish actions. When it was clearly obvious that Windu was not going to do that, Anakin again reacted selfishly. Fair trial, my ass. And he could have easily blocked Windu's lightsaber with his own, but he didn't. Then he realized that he made the wrong choice, his mind was weak, and Sidious took control. That's why he was able to do what he did in the Temple: He was following his master's orders. Lucas just didn't put enough conflict up on the screen between Anakin choosing the right path and the selfish path. And that's why it now means so much as Vader watches Palpatine fry Luke at the end of Jedi.

Also, was Sidious what became of Sifo Dyes(sp)? That's the only part I'm having trouble working out.

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Originally Posted by Mike

Also, was Sidious what became of Sifo Dyes(sp)? That's the only part I'm having trouble working out.

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Oh yeah, that guy (the one that ordered the Clones years before). Did they ever explain what his story was?

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Originally Posted by Dolemite

Oh yeah, that guy (the one that ordered the Clones years before). Did they ever explain what his story was?

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That's what I'm wondering. The pronunciation of his name is "Sidious" with "fo" in it, really. But then wouldn't the Jedi recognize him? They mentioned that name in Episode 2, I thought, "Well, it'll be interesting to find out what that's about." Then, nothing. I might have thought he was Dooku, also, but Yoda called him Dooku and Fett called him Darth Tyranus. It bothers me because he's a key character, since he ordered the clones and obviously the programming that included the "special" directive, yet he was definitely a Jedi and was said to have died befor Anakin was born.

Maybe it was Sidious in disguise, pretending to be Sifo after he died? Damn you lack of plot resolution! It must be that, but there's no confirmation.

The only viable explanation is that Sidious ordered the clone army. After all, he was the Chancellor for awhile without anyone knowing he was the Sith Lord, so he could've done alot of stuff in secret. But who knows.

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Originally Posted by OmniGear

The only viable explanation is that Sidious ordered the clone army. After all, he was the Chancellor for awhile without anyone knowing he was the Sith Lord, so he could've done alot of stuff in secret. But who knows.

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Dooku ordered it. Syfo-Dyas was a friend of Dooku's when he was still a Jedi, and Master Syfo-Dyas knew of the corruption in the Senate as Dooku did, but he wouldn't go through and order the Clone Army without consulting the Council and by this time Dooku had started his political idealism and was falling from the order. So in order to keep the Jedi from knowing about it, as well as the Republic, he murdered Syfo-Dyas, took his identity, and ordered the army from the Kaminoans.


For general reference, Syfo-Dyas was Quinlan Vos's master.