Those 3 other Jedi sucked. Palpy took them out in under 5 seconds :p
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Those 3 other Jedi sucked. Palpy took them out in under 5 seconds :p
Saw it again last night. A second viewing didn't really fix any of the problems that I had the first time around, except maybe that Anakin's turn didn't see quite as out of nowhere as it did before, mosty because I knew when it was coming and was paying attention to his moods/attitude/etc leading up to it more carefully. That, and the movie seemed really long this time.
Got into a discussion with my friend afterwards, and I think one of the main problems we had was that the CG overload of this movie (and many like it) totally robs the drama and excitement. I'm totally numb to all this crazy shit now, and look past it to the drama, the tension actual acting can generate, etc, and found it wanting. Like I said before, Luke and Vader dueling in the simple yet atmospheric Cloud City set in Empire was far more enthralling than Anakin and Obi-Wan dueling on some big tower that's slowly sinking into lava and is about to go over a lavafall, which they then jump from and land on little floating platforms and so on. There were people sitting next to us in the theater going "WOW!" but I just didn't get it. You see this shit in movies all the time. You KNOW it's all fake, that there's no stunt people putting themselves on the line, it's just the actors in a nice, safe green room (and, half the time, the actors are CG too!). It's almost boring. When you know there's no actual stunt being preformed, then you're left with the emotional connection you have with the characters fighting and if you care enough about them to get caught up in the conflict and not want to see them get hurt/die. Lucas didn't get us engaged enough in the characters to carry us over the numbness to the CG spectacle. It's like he was hoping the CG madness would make us forget that these characters are somewhat lacking in the personality department.
I remember seeing that ultra-shitty Stallone movie Judge Dredd years ago and being amazed at the scale and detail of the CG city they showed in the beginning of the flick. CG like that was still pretty new back then, and it blew me away. It didn't make the movie suck any less, but the grandeur kinda blinded you to it for a while. That trick doesn't work any more. When you can watch some piece of shit Charlie's Angels movie and see Drew Barrymore and her fellow whores flying through the air off an exploding bridge and into a stalled helicoptor which she then starts and flies off to safety in, you know CG's out of hand.
I miss stunts. One of the sickest things I've ever seen in a movie was in a James Bond flick. I forget which one it was, I think it was Rodger Moore's first movie as Bond, the one where he's in New Orleans. Anyway, he's in a car, and there's this bridge that's out. The middle is missing, and the part that's there is twisted upwards and to the left. He jumps the gap in the bridge, and the twisted part of the bridge he uses as a launch point causes his car to do a fucking corkscrew in the air, and he lands perfectly on the other side. This was all done in one take, no camera cuts, so you know it was legit. Totally mind-blowing. Nowadays, that would all be CG, except that car would be on fire and Bond would be shooting down incoming missles and getting a BJ from the Bond girl of the week while doing it. Now, I do realize things like what I described are a risk to stunt people and that all the CG is much safer, so it's a double edged sword. But I guess I'd like a tiny bit of realism injected into my sci-fi/fantasy movies. I mean, Luke and Leia swinging 20 across that bridge in Episode 4 was more interesting to watch because you knew actual people were doing it. It helped that they, as characters, had personality.
I mean, who gives a shit about Anakin and Padme and their plight? For two people "so in love" they act so wooden and unemotional with each other (for the most part) it's stupid. It might have been nice for Padme to ask Anakin what's wrong, he says nothing, she gets upset and yells at him, begging Anakin to finally let her in, and he breaks down, cries, and confides in the nightmares he's having and how they're eating him up. Instead, it's "What's wrong?" "Nothing." "When can we be honest?" "Okay, me have bad dream." All in deadpan voices.
If you're gonna go with the insane CG action forever more, at least make sure your characters are as interesting, likable, and well-acted as they can be because soon no one will give a shit about anything else.
Yea Agen Kolar was like instantly stabbed..then he slashed upward and got Saesee Tiin. At least Kit Fisto dodged a couple of times and met sabers 2 or 3 times before getting stabbed lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Despair
I know, I thought Sassee Tinn was a badass.
Ok, first off, I have to say I saw a midnight showing on Wednesday night here in NYC and I have to say that I did like it, although of course this prequel trilogy doesn't match the originals. Still, they are still fun and, as time goes by, I find TPM a bit more tolerable each time ;)
Ok, now then, to my point. In regards to the whole Sifo-Dyas/Dooku issue, here is the excerpt from the"Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith Scrapbook" that should explain it clearly:
COUNT DOOKU:
"Ten years before the beginning of the Clone Wars, the idealist Jedi Master Count Dooku abandoned the Jedi Order. While most Jedi believed Dooku had gone into seclusion, he had in fact been enlisted as an apprentice by Darth Sidious. Dooku was renamed Darth Tyranus. The new Sith Lord assasinated the Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas, who had been sent by Chancellor Palpatine to Kamino to secretly commission a clone army. Dooku then presented himself as Lord Tyranus and recruited Jango fett to be the genetic source for the clones."
....and that's that!
Was I the only one who muttered "So why you tryin' to fuck me like a bitch?" after Mace tells Palp he's under arrest?
Ok, no more retarted. You guys obviously have not researched this past watching the movies with the director's commentary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
Go google Joseph Campbell and star wars.
The movies are not completely meant to be old movies x 10.
What one thing could have happened that would have been a big enough surprise that it would have reshaped even how you saw events in the original trilogy? I ask this because I tried to remain fairly spoiler free before seeing Ep. 3. So I had this theory, one that wasn't my own really, because it has been talked about since I was a kid.
And it didn't happen!
How bout this... How cool would it have been if when Palpatine is turning Anakin to the Dark Side and Anakin is fighting it, a clone Palpatine/Sidious shows up and adds his blue lighting to the mix and Anakin gets more and more pissed, fighting the two Palpatines, killing the clone, who is then replaced by two more Palpatine/Sidious, who Anakin kills and who are replaced by then more... Until there are too many and Anakin is trapped by their many blue lightning things.
Darth Sidious/Palpatine: "You can't beat me. You can strike me down, one by one and there will always be another to take my place."
Anakin snaps ("Auuuuuughhh!") and completely gives into his anger and forces the blue lighting back out, killing the clones.
Darth Sidious: (evily) "Heh heh heh heh heh. Very good. You are more powerful than even I imagined."
(More clone Palpatines/Sidious flank the Chancellor)
Darth Sidious: (In a sarcastically fatherly, sympathetic voice) "I only want to help you young Skywalker."
Anakin: "You only want to help yourself."
Sidious: (evil chuckle) "It would be mutually beneficial my son."
Anakin: "You have nothing to offer me but misery and death."
Sidious: "Join me and I will give you Power. Power beyond even your own dreams. Power even ...over... your dreams."
Anakin: (a look of recoginition and whistfulness)
Sidious: "Yesss. Your dreamsss. Your young wife. She will die."
Anakin: "I won't allow it! Whatever it takes, I will protect her!"
Sidious: "Whatever it takes?"
Anakin: "Anything. For her."
Sidious: "What if I told you there is a way?" (Sidious waves away the clone Palpatines/Sidious who leave the room, almost receding like ghosts into dark hallways)
Or something like that. But I digress.(ahem)
I liked the movie quite a lot.
No offence buddy, but that would have been really stupid.
Googled this
http://www.jitterbug.com/origins/myth.html
oh and there is something on the second page here, telling why the movies are so chaotic and fast.
http://www.jitterbug.com/origins/lucas_myth.html
Quote:
Campbell teaches that the "belly of the whale" (or near-death experience) tends to be where the hero finds the magic he'll later use to overcome his final ordeal. In high school Lucas suffered a near-fatal car crash, making him suddenly aware of his mortality. He became almost obsessed with the idea of living a meaningful life, transforming overnight from a "directionless loafer" into "the guy who always works harder than everyone else." His convalescence left him little to do but read: mostly science fiction and comicbooks. Lucas has said that his accident came from his fascination with speed, and he explores that fascination in Star Wars, constantly searching for the balance point between presenting as much visual information as possible and incoherence.
The word "profound" comes from the Latin profundus, literally "just before the bottom" but figuratively "at the edge of death." A hero is someone who reaches the edge of death, steals a piece of magic, then brings that magic back home to share with his community. Star Wars is powerful because it is literally profound, the lesson Lucas learned from his near-death experience.