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Originally Posted by toxic
Yeah it is. Read it. Stuff make lots more sense since Lucas crammed all this shit into a 2hr movie.Quote:
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Originally Posted by MarsVolta
Nope, she died. If she survived I don;t see how as they shot her about a dozen times, even after she hit the ground. :( :( :(
That doens't excuse the movie for being bad. Cutting the story up until it's not as good as it should be and presenting key parts badly is no good.
But I'll read the book. I like the story.
Thats to bad some of you guys didnt like it. I'm actually surprised I liked it as much as I did. I'm looking forward to seeing it again even.
I think he was completely CG. That's right, a CG Peter Cushing, guhwha?Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Oh and I'm seeing it again tonight? Why? Huge nerd.
I agree with a lot of what you said Dole. To add to the Jedi training that seemed really fucked up: When Anakin speaks to Yoda about his premenition for advise Yoda says some really fucked up things! Basically, don't care about anyone. Don't form relationships so that when they die, you won't miss them. Because that stirs up the Darkside in you, so keep yourself from mourning. WTF.
That one knocked me for a loop.
Anyone notice that whenever Anakin was walking with Palpatine, they walked in perfect synch? I can't remember if that happened when he walked with anyone else.
OK, saw the midnight showing SPOILERS ALL OVER below and they are not hidden (if you are in this thread, get your butt to a theater).
Revenge of the Sith as my brother put it, is not a "fun" Star Wars movie but is by far one of the best IMHO. I honestly like it almost as much as ESB, as much as I enjoyed TPM and AoTC, they are nowhere near the quality of RoTS which IMHO improves over their weaknesses greatly.
Good points:
The opening space battle while short has tons of excellent interaction between Anakin, Obi Wan and R2. I also really like how Anakin and Obi Wan are really nice to R2 (well they oughta be, he saves everyone's butts every 5 min in all 6 movies) In one part R2 is gets hung up trying to fix an elevator and Obi Wan almost makes a derisive droid joke and Anakin says "Hey! No droid jokes." I dunno why, just liked that. It also shows how Anakin, while caring is more at ease with power and technology than life/the living force ect.
As Obi Wan and Anakin try to escape with Palp down a hallway they walk right into a capture forcefield Grevious has set up. Obi Wan says "Now how did we walk right into this, that was too easy" or something to that effect. And as Palp is standing behind them he has a very dull flat expression on his face (boy, will that change later) but you can tell that he clouded them so they got stuck in the forcefield. That's what the inference was I thought anyways.
Acting and dialogue are much better overall this time. Obi Wan, Anakin Yoda both have some excellent and very memorable lines. Obi Wan comes off much more of an everyman this time and he actually has fun when he confronts Grevious, taunting him nicely when he sneaks up behind. "Well, hello there!" As expected there are still some somewhat clunky monents but really, not that many. Overall the dialogue was much more smoothly delievered, there is not a single line that approaches any of the childish dialogue by Jake Lloyd or 'whiny Anakin' in AoTC. Hayden was right when he said in an interview last year that Lucas was "looser" in directing the actors this time. Because of this you can tell that Anakin, Obi Wan and Padme really care about each other unlike AoTC where it felt very forced. Portman did a much better job this time, the "Anakin you're breaking my heart line" was one of her few misfires. The rest of the time she had a lot of heart in what she was saying. Bedroom/home scenes between Anakin and Padme discussing their coming family and his fears are very well acted.
When you see the movie, you may have a lot less respect for Mace. If he wasn't such a hardass (although I agree Anakin should not be a master yet) and had let Anakin go to Utapau and trusted him much more, then he could have killed Sidious. I thought it was really interesting that when Anakin runs up to Mace and flat out tells him "Sidious is a Sith Lord," at first you think Sam Jackson or Lucas flub it, because he has this goofy sneer of perplexment and says "A Sith Lord." And then basically says "Oh, ok well maybe you're right we'll go arrest him." His sneer shows how arrogant Mace and some of the Jedi have become.
Also, very disappointing when Obi Wan basically tells mace and Yoda maybe they should cut him more slack "In all due respect Master, he is the chosen one is he not?" And Mace and Yoda totally write the prophecy off for their own convenience.
As you have probably read many times, when Sidious makes his transformation he is really scary. It is true, some have said Ian McDiarmid goes over the top, he does but it is spot on with how the Emperor acts in RoTJ. The scene where Mace is melting his face and Anakin is trying to decide to whether to let Mace kill him as he withers away, you'll be thinking to yourself "Let him, die! For the love of all that's good, stop worrying about your wife so much and let that old freak die!!!"
Then when Anakin says to Mace to arrest him and and that "It's not the Jedi way to kill him" you can understand a *bit* why he thinks that. But he is a total hypocrite because he says the same thing earlier in the movie when he is about to arrest Dooku after he totally disables him but then he gives in and kills him anyways.
As Mace gets fried by the lightning after Anakin intercedes, it's really sobering to see such a proud Jedi get electrocuted and thrown out to the night sky. Sam goes out in a blaze though. When Sidious rises up to knight Anakin as a Sith, his voice is 100X more frightening than it was in RoTJ.
Yoda lopping off the heads of the two Clones who try to shoot him in the back (man did that make me mad, that's how Aayla and almost every Jedi general dies) and teamingup with Tarrful and Chewy elicited cheers from the audience.
Yoda confronting Sidious in his office kicked ass. My favorite parts are when he flattens the red guards, then a bit later when the Emperor like the coward he is tries to run away, Yoda jumps over his head and blocks the door saying "If so powerful you have become, then why must you leave?" Seeing Yoda being forced to desert the battle after he falls and painfully lands on the floor of the Senate hurts. I honestly think if he hadn't initially been zapped by the lightning ambush he would have had just enough power to beat him.
One little scene is when Yoda escapes and falls out a tube to meet Bail in his cruiser, a very nice visual homage to Luke escaping through the tunnel tot he Millenium Falcom in ESB.
The massacre at the Jedi temple will definitely lessen any empathy you have for Anakin. He is still a tragic hero but MUCH less sympathetic when he turns into Vader.
The dialogue and acting between Obi Wan and Anakin right before and during the duel is excellent. Ewan McGregor does a beautiful job trying to reason with Anakin that he just lost his wife and friends because of the power he has wanted. Lucas did a good job of balancing out the dialogue just right, again, he is still a tragic hero but when Obi Wan shows up and starts trying to talk some sense into him, you know exactly which side is right. There is almost no excuse for what Anakin becomes despite his bad treatment and painful childhood/teenage years.
One thing, I wish Obi Wan would have force pushed Anakin into a wall as he is choking Padme. But that wouldn;t be constructive to trying to help him I guess.
The duel is amazing. Obi Wan's finishing move seems like it is simple....but when he warns Anakin "not to try it" and then quickly cuts his legs off, you will feel both warped pity for how deluded Anakin has become that as he hits the ground in humiliating loss, and a feeling of satisfaction as he quickly burns to a crisp. You still care about Anakin, but he gets exactly what he deserves.
Hearing James Earl Jones back as Vader and saying Padme's name is both strange and thrilling. Seeing Vader rip apart the medical room like a twisted 1940s monster was a moment I will never forget.
NOT so good points:
Grevious is an entertaining villian but not a Maul killer by any means. He is fun and a good villian, but in an odd saturday morning cartoon feel. He was honestly much scarier in the clone wars miniseries and looks much better in the concept paintings. He is almost always hunched over and also has a really goofy snot-filled cough which really detracts from his menace. I think Lucas didn't want him to detract from how hideous and scary Palp becomes or to snatch any thunder from Vader, but it's misguided as Grevious could have been much scarier than he was. However, his duel with Obi Wan is nicely executed and give Lucas a lot of props for giving him waaaay more dialogue than Maul ever had.
Folks in the "Obi Wan cops out-or uses a gimmick-in-a-duel" camp may not like the way old Ben kills him. His explosion and death are nice though.
In the book Qui Gon appears to Yoda and tells him about the disappearing trick. He also tells Yoda that the Sith have adapted and evolved and have exploited the Jedis' monastic social isolation and rediculously stagnant ways. This is some nice dialogue in the book because it is good to see Qui Gon basically tell Yoda "See? If there were more Jedi like me who didn't fear a proactive stance and who weren't afraid of change, some of this might not have happened. NOW we have to use this disappearing technique in order to stay alive and train people." It is really aggravating this was not filmed (why couldn;t he have filmed that during the Phantom Menace?). It's too bad Lucas apparently didn't want/couldn't get Liam Neeson to reprise his role as Qui Gon in the movie. Because when Yoda tells Obi Wan about this in one flat line it just kind of comes off as "Oh and hey, guess what? Qui Gon is back and he knows how to retain your identity in the Force."
The battle droids' voices are even more cartoony this time if that is to be believed. They sound like they have swallowed helium balloons.
Overall though, it's a very good and very memorable film with some powerful imagery. I can't wait to see it againt his weekend. 4/5 stars.
Also, I hear in the digital theaters folks got treated to a few additional scenes including Yoda landing on dagobah.
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Originally Posted by IronPlant
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Originally Posted by Despair
Vader returned balance to the force, the light side was no longer dominate and both sides ended up pretty much on par with each other. I'm reminded of Jolee Bindo's story of the Jedi who was going to do great things one day.Quote:
Originally Posted by soundwave
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Originally Posted by Rumpy
Or, SINCE YOU'RE ALREADY USING THE SPOILER TAGS, you could just change those to "spoiler" from "spoilers" and it the board would hide it for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan1CC
[edit] Nevermind, you figured it out.
Yeah, me too. I had forgotten about that scene. Yoda's a dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumpy