Star Wars Episode III official thread

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Maybe I'll offer some comments on Ep.3 later..

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Originally Posted by Dolemite

See, that's a fucked up thing with the timeline that's been established...Episode 3 is only 17 years before Episode 4. I mean, Judging by how old Anakin looks in 3 Vader must only be in his late 30's in 4, which makes no sense- I mean, look at the old fart (who looked 70) playing him in the original scene in RotJ before Lucas replaced him with Hayden for the DVD. And like you said, Owen and that hottie Beru aged in dog years- guess that hot double sun is murder on your skin, huh? I'm not sure how old Obi-Wan's supposed to be in 3, but 17 years wouldn't fuck up someone THAT much, especially if they were in shape and able to do backlips 50 feet into the air and shit. Likewise with Yoda- he's 500 years old, so 17 years shouldn't make much difference, yet he goes from macking like Sonic the Hedgehog to dropping dead of old age.

BTW, they explained why C-3P0 doesn't recognize Obi-Wan (they wiped his memory), but they don't explain why R2 doesn't fill 3P0 in on what happened, or why Obi-Wan doesn't recognize C-3P0 or R2-D2. Guess his mind was really going after mastrubating alone in the desert for 17 years.

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My big problem with the new movies (other then the fact that the first two sucked) was that there is stupid connections and holes with the original story. I don't believe the original movie demonstrated this fact but the Episode IV novel (Written by George Lucas) it was made known that Owen Lars was Obi Wan's brother.

Also, it doesn't make any sense on why C3P0 even existed in Episode 1. I don't give a fuck how "gifted" the kid is, I don't think he can build a complex computer filled with billions of lines of code out of a bunch of parts lying around here and there. And is it just coincidence that in the newer movies that model of droid (the C3P0) one is no longer unique?

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Originally Posted by Dolemite

Lucas has said in interviews that he doesn't consider the comics or novels canon- then again, some people have claimed he's said the opposite as well. But that doesn't really matter at all- if Lucas wants to make another movie, do you really think he's going to nix a plot idea he has if it counters something that was in some novel Joe Shmo wrote? Fuck that, Lucas would ignore it and do what the hell he wants.

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If he doesn't want to deal with the contradictions he should've give out the rights to publish other Star Wars books and comics based on his universe. Also, the company that publishes the Star Wars games (LucasArts) which I believe is owned by Lucas has published games with a bunch of characters, planets, events, etc. related to the "extended" Star Wars universe.

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Originally Posted by Mr-K

Oh yeah, I forgot to ask this earlier. Was I the only person who saw the Millenium Falcon on Corruscant near the beginning when Anakin lands to meet the politicians. It's there. It's sweet.

Or as Cow says, it's fanservice.

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The Millenium Falcon is a unique ship but the design that it's built off of is not.

The most he takes from EU media is like I said, a few tiny bits if visual stuff fromt he comics. Otherwise, Lucas has said may times that he pays ZERO attention to the plotlines in the novels. About the only thing he took out of the novels was the name "Coruscant."

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Originally Posted by Gohron

. And is it just coincidence that in the newer movies that model of droid (the C3P0) one is no longer unique?

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There were bots that looked like C3P0 in the original trilogy also. (Specifically Cloud City in ESB) I only remember because I owned the toy. :)

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Originally Posted by IronPlant

that isn't really that bad of lesson to be teaching. It is a social and cultural reality. Groups will change. Either for the better, or for the worse. Stagnation only encourages "for the worse"

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I agree, which is why I said the Jedi came across as dicks.

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Originally Posted by Taito

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Maybe I'll offer some comments on Ep.3 later..

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Originally Posted by Gohron

I don't believe the original movie demonstrated this fact but the Episode IV novel (Written by George Lucas) it was made known that Owen Lars was Obi Wan's brother.

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...eh?

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Also, it doesn't make any sense on why C3P0 even existed in Episode 1. I don't give a fuck how "gifted" the kid is, I don't think he can build a complex computer filled with billions of lines of code out of a bunch of parts lying around here and there. And is it just coincidence that in the newer movies that model of droid (the C3P0) one is no longer unique?

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I hated that "boy wonder" bullshit in Episode one. Like, Anakin hops into a space fighter and is suddenly an awesome pilot and destroys the Trade Federation mothership by accident?!?!? That'd be like my 8-year-old nephew hopping into a Harrier jet and stopping 9/11.

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If he doesn't want to deal with the contradictions he should've give out the rights to publish other Star Wars books and comics based on his universe.

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Like I said, Lucas doesn't give a shit about "dealing with contradictions." His word is law when it comes to Star Wars. He just lets these clowns create dozens and dozens of novels, comic books, and video games because he likes making money off them, but if push came to shove, he'd disown every single word they wrote and do his own thing.

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Originally Posted by toxic

There were bots that looked like C3P0 in the original trilogy also. (Specifically Cloud City in ESB) I only remember because I owned the toy. :)

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I meant the original trilogy. All this "prequel after the sequel" stuff makes for difficult conversation.

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Originally Posted by Dolemite

Actually, I don't think it's fear of love or family so much as just general weakness. The Jedi strike me as so insecure in their ability to resist the Dark Side that they feel they must cut themselves off from any temptation, however small, for fear that they might not be strong enough to remain true to the Jedi order. They really just struck me as a bunch of rigid, close-minded pussies that were afraid of anything that might challenge their illusion of strength and purity.

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Yup, I completely agree, you nailed my POV on this right on the head. I didn't mean they're afraid of love and families themselves, should have worded it different.

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Like I said, Luke proved that you can be emotional and a Jedi at the same time. If anything, Luke was a better Jedi because he was emotional.

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Definitely. He had all the strengths of his father except he was a better man overall.

I also have thought ever since AoTC that Lucas was making a statement on the Catholic church's stance on not allowing marriage which is but one thing that has led to rampant pedophilia and other problems in the church. Interesting thing, history shows the real reason they enacted celibacy: if a priest had a wife, she could easily inherit any land or money he had of course. Celibacy kinda took care of that little inconvenience.

And I too have been thinking that Lucas's perception of the Jedi changed considerably over time. I think Obi Wan changed quite a bit by ANH. You can tell he is re-energized by Luke. Yoda however is still almost as stubborn as ever in ESB. :p You can't blame him for worrying about Luke though after what his dad did.

One more general thing I wanna add: the wide panning shots of Mustafar's massive lava waterfall and shots of Anakin and Obi Wan struggling to hang onto the crumbling lava utility tower as it falls toward the fire lake are two of the single most epic Star Wars vistas I have seen since Hoth.

You know, weird thing- I've been kinda burnt out on the Original Trilogy for ages (I mean, I've seen it probably a billion fucking times), but seeing RotS last night suddenly makes me want to watch the OT again really badly. I know I keep saying this but the Prequels (especially RotS) really make Luke look like a rebel, bad-ass Jedi instead of a whiny bitch.

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Dolomite:

Man, did Anakin become REALLY evil REALLY fast? I mean, one second he's turning in Palapatine for being a Sith Lord, the next second he's chopping up roomfulls of little kiddies and buying every little thing Sidious says. The turn came waaay too fast. Lucas really should have been planting the major seeds for it in the second movie- here, it just feels silly how fast he turned and embraced the Dark Side.

I gotta almost completely disagree 'cuz...

It only seems like a fast transition. I mean, he wiped out an entire village of Sandpeople, men, women, kiddie tuskens without even thinking twice. And that was over his mom who he hadn't seen in ten years. He had dreams his mom was going to die and she did. Now he is having the same dreams about Padme who he is married to and is expecting a child. He was already obsessed with the idea of using the Force somehow to prevent people from dying in AoTC. Lucas definitely planted the seeds in AoTC. Despite all his good intentions, his entire personality otherwise was already almost 100% selfish. The actual transition from Anakin to Vader seems quick after Mace is killed, but consider the following: Anakin was already well established as having few qualms about killing people depending on the situation, again, the Tuskens and he didn't hesitate much with Dooku. When Mace is overpowering Sidious, he is already on a paper thin line of still caring about others besides those close to him, or only caring about his wife, family and children. So, the confrontation between Mace and Sidious was the straw-thin situation which pushed him to decide which he wants; again two major choices: trying to help all people and not being fearful, OR taking the offer of the dark side in hopes of giving exclusive, twisted protection to only he, his wife and family. By the beginning of Ep 3, Anakin thinks of people as possesions, not individuals any more. Besides, before that Anakin is being yelled at left and right rapid fire: Mace: "Don't listen to him, Anakin!" Palp: "I'm almost dead! I'm the only one who can save your loved ones!" So in light of everything I said before, he has to make a choice really quick: side with Mace who has never helped him much even though Anakin admires the Jedi's drive to destroy the Sith, or with Sidious who can supposedly give him a way to protect his wife and kids who are at that point the only people he cares about anymore. Lucas explains this really well in the AoTC commentary, some of his affection and love is healthy but a lot of it is clouded and I quote "...he wants to keep people and events frozen in time." That is a serious psychological problem already in place in AoTC. Then he gets married and is obsessed gradually with keeping his wife and kids "frozen in place" so to speak. He can't let go and hope for the best and just enjoy them. He wants an invincible wall around he and his family, but it's just not possible. That's why he tells Padme on Mustafar when he's trying to convince her of his viewpoint "I will create our own reality." And he has had that desire and idea ever since he confessed his darkest secrets to Padme in the Lars' garage.