Games now are better than ever

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Ah, you and Diff make such a wacky pair!

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Maybe they're cousins.

Identical cousins, two of a kind.

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Originally Posted by Cowutopia

Grrr post edit too late. Reread plz.

Pertaining to this thread though, the only video games that are "better than ever" are the games that are experience-based. Board game translations, strategy games, addicting games...new ones might come out, and they might look a little better, but the core gameplay thrill hasn't changed much since the dawn of games.

But you're right, it may not be the "ultimate goal of video games" to some people. That's when it comes down to your taste and opinion - Why you play video games.

And any game is worthless if it's not fun, so make "entertaining" goal 1 and the other goal goal 2.

+1 awesomeness to me for having my statements challenged and not clinging to them desperately like an orphaned retard to his teddy bear. It's called thinking.

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I think when it comes down to it games at this point can be broken down into two main catagories.

Catagory One: Skill-honeing/competative. Many games of yesteryear fit this well including 2D fighters (well, fighters in general), strategy games, puzzle games, pure action games ala Metal Slug and Smash TV, pinball even. More recently you can count genres such as Bemani, deathmatch FPS, racing games, the Tont Hawk series (well at least the early games). These are games where the story, the settings, the characters either are vaugley assigned or don't even exist. Why? Because they don't have to. The entire game is built around the particular hand-eye skill that you're developing. There may be elements of storyand such that are immersive but by far they take a back seat to the game play and the quality of the game is perceived on how well and balanced tht game play is. This is also why these games are big for multiplayer.

Catagory Two: Immersive/story telling games. More and more games are becoming majoridly of this catagory. RPGs, survival horror, story driven FPSs, the GTAs, of the world all fall into this catagory. There is definitly skill required to make your way through the game but what is in the foreground is the immersive ambiance of the game or it's great story and characters. To aid in the submersiveness of the game many of these titles are best played solo. This isn't to say that all games coming out now aren't competative based, that would be a crazy statement seeing sports games being played online and the sucess of online gaming as a whole of late but with so many licensed Hollywood titles coming out it's clear that this is a big part of the gaming future.

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Originally Posted by Valgar

I watched some Alien Hominid videos and it didn't look very good (imo visually too).

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You don't get to talk anymore.

I can't believe this thread went on this long. He likes newer games. Good for him. Newer games are easier, and he thinks they hide the fact that he is utterly worthless in about everything else he could possibly do. Sports, life, etc...you name it. When he gets past the 9 year old mentality, maybe that will change.

Tragic- I was going to follow up with your exact post. Thanks for saving me the trouble.
Yeah, I forgot about one of the ways those category one games have really improved; multiplayer + the wonder that is the internet.

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Originally Posted by Joust Williams

I can't believe this thread went on this long. He likes newer games. Good for him. Newer games are easier, and he thinks they hide the fact that he is utterly worthless in about everything else he could possibly do. Sports, life, etc...you name it. When he gets past the 9 year old mentality, maybe that will change.

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You get so offended over him not liking the games you do.

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Originally Posted by Cowutopia

Yeah, I forgot about one of the ways those category one games have really improved; multiplayer + the wonder that is the internet.

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Well, at this point multi-player over the internet is virtually the only way that these games exist. Arcades are all but gone (although I'm luckly right near NJ's best arcade 8 on the Break), shooters like those of Treasure or Gradius or R-Type are few and far between, and even series like Tony Hawk are starting to get more away from the hand-eye thing and more into the crazy enviroment and story aspects with Underground.

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Originally Posted by MysteriousRacerC

You don't get to talk anymore.

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Because I dissed a 2D game? Diffx is 100%, you guys go fucking nutz because it is 2D. The art style and animation in Alien Hominid doesn't look professional to me and it looks slow/boring, I am already certain I would play Gunstar Heroes instead.

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Originally Posted by Tragic

Arcades are all but gone (although I'm luckly right near NJ's best arcade 8 on the Break), shooters like those of Treasure or Gradius or R-Type are few and far between, and even series like Tony Hawk are starting to get more away from the hand-eye thing and more into the crazy enviroment and story aspects with Underground.

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I will meet you there to play Beatmania/MK/whatever someday.

I think the ratio of good/bad games is the same while the quality of the best of the good games today is relatively no higher than the quality of the best of the good games of the past.

I don't think things are much different than they used to be, excepting obviousness like online play (is that really so new?) and OMG 3D!!!

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Originally Posted by Cowutopia

Imagine a star wars game that takes the star wars battlefront, SWG, Rogue Squadron, Jedi Academy, etc..., merges them and improves them all in every way?
Imagine living in a fully realized city, with traders that come and go, people leading good lives, etc. Add Kotor in. Say the game is the rebuilding of the Jedi Academy, and you play as a young jedi student. You can go Kotor/fable style and do good or bad things in your free time. Say you can become a merc. on a ship and do lots of starfighter combat. Say a group of enemies attacks and you can help fight the invasion via land, or jump in your starship parked outside and fly up through the atmosphere and have a dogfight that rivals the best in Rogue Squadron and Colony wars with no load times, that can go in and out of or be affected by the atmosphere.

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But any new SW game would have the influence of the "new" Lucasarts and would therefore be ruined. ;) The last two decent Lucasarts assisted games I've played have been KotoR and XvT. I think there's a problem with someone over there that needs to be taken care of before things get better on the SW front - someone needs to knock off ol' Georgie. That man is like a plague.