Games now are better than ever

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

Dyne.

Some advice: go load up Photoshop and play in there instead of trying to communicate with other human beings.

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oh, so i finally get one up on you and you cant take it. typical. bitch.

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Originally Posted by Jeremy

Wow, you've let your Japanophile hate really manifest itself, haven't you? Japanese developers are the reason why CastleVania and Contra haven't been done well on newer systems...OF COURSE! THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE!

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Lament of Innocence was made by Japanese developers, wasnt it?

So Im out of line to blame the Japanese developers who made Lament of Innocence for the shittiness of Lament of Innocence?

Are you insane?

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Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Dyne

oh, so i finally get one up on you and you cant take it. typical. bitch.

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Right.

Because I did admit that I think older games are shit in that post, didnt I?

I also said it was a hard position to defend, right?

However, I did state the position, didnt I?

I thought so.

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Dungeon Keeper is a strategy game, he means more like Diablo or Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance (where all you do is crawl through dungeons or whatever and kill everything).

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Oh. Its possible that is a successor, except those games were made for a long time. I like them more than beat-em-ups anyway.

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Originally Posted by FuryFox

X-Men Legends > SoR in just about every way imaginable

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except it's not a beatem up. it's baldurs gate:da with xmen characters.

good try tho.

you cant defend yourself against what i stated and now are arguing a point i could care less about. like usual around and around you go.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

I also said it was a hard position to defend, right?

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hard to defend so you opt the other? thats my point.

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Originally Posted by MrWhitefolks

except it's not a beatem up. it's baldurs gate:da with xmen characters.

good try tho.

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this is true.

Sigh.

Last time Im talking to this retard in this thread:

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Originally Posted by Dyne, the retard

oh grow a sack. "less defensible"? sounds like you only take the stance on what you can defend instead of what you actually believe saying shit like that.

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Okay, you said that.

I said this:

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Theres a difference between saying theyre shit and saying theyre not as good as todays. I said the latter. I think the former is true, too, but thats a less defensible position.

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So yea, I did state my position. And I also said it was hard to defend. Which it is. You really are stupid.

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hard to defend so you opt the other? thats my point.

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Ill opt for whatever. Its all good.

oh i love how easy it is to piss you off. turn the blind eye son.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

Dungeon crawlers? Like Dungeon Keeper and shit?

Also, while I havent played it, Breakdown by Namco is supposedly a pretty nifty beat-em-up.

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Whatever you want to call stuff like Baldur's Gate DA on PS2/X-Box, ROLW on DC....you know with those action RPG elements in them and built up walls.

Breakdown I'll have to check out. Mechdeus seems to love it amont other TNL members.

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Originally Posted by FuryFox

X-Men Legends > SoR in just about every way imaginable

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oh god!

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Originally Posted by Jeremy

Wow, you've let your Japanophile hate really manifest itself, haven't you? Japanese developers are the reason why CastleVania and Contra haven't been done well on newer systems...OF COURSE! THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE!

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Seriously, go play a demo of Neo Contra, the game is fucking horrible.

Japanese developers made that, instead of giving the fans what they want they give us this top down, watered down game. I mean, the fans were split pretty evenly between liking and hating Shattered Soldier, but I don't think ANYONE will like Neo Contra. Unless the full game is like 500% better than that shitty demo.

And Castlevania... cmon now. I really enjoyed it, but I can easily list about 10 flaws for it.

Japanese developers make these games, so yea, I'm going to say Japanese developers are the reason they fucking suck on next gen consoles.

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Originally Posted by Will

See? This is a much reasonable answer.

I dunno Fury, I really like X-Men Legends multi but the Magma parts bog down the flow. The Legends characters are cooler and have more variety in abilities which is a plus but SOR is just stage after stage of pure action.

Also would you say dungeon crawlers have taken the place of side scrolling beat em ups or would you name them successors to it?

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Yeah, I wasn't completely happy with XML in all regards, but overall I think it's much more solid than SoR or any old-school beat-em-up.

I thought about Dungeon Crawlers replacing beat-em-ups, but they really seem like they're own category to me. However, XML feels more like a beat-em-up successor to me, and less like a CoN/BGDA/Diablo-style dungeon crawler. To me, XML legends feels more like the old 4-player arcade game, with all the new bells and whistles (and boring mansion fluff).

Genre definition has always been difficult and almost always arbitrary. If a beat-em-up is simply a game where you go around kill all the enemies and bosses using fighting techniques...then I'd say the new Ninja Gaiden fits the bill and blows away SoR. Otogi/Otogi 2 are also very reminiscent of beat-em-ups in their design, and I'd say the edge inarguably goes to newer games in that case too.

So...to eventually answer your question, no, I don't think Dungeon Crawlers really succeeded beat-em-ups...but I do think that beat-em-ups are too simple and limited in definition to stand against newer "genres". In other words, any of the fun I could derive from a beat-em-up (typically, beating up a bunch of bad guys), I can get in a better experience in a newer game.

If anything succeeded beat-em-ups, it was full-fledged fighting games. Although, one could make an argument for modern beat-em-ups like Dynasty Warriors 4 and Kingdom Under Fire as well...and perhaps the upcoming Berserk and Altered Beast games.