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Originally Posted by diffusionx

Lament of Innocence was made by Japanese developers, wasnt it?

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Deus Ex 2 was made by American developers, wasn't it?

AMERICAN DEVS CAN'T MAKE GOOD PC GAMES!!!

Lament of Innocence sucked because Iga clearly rushed it out before it was done. Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden are two of the best action games of this generation, or any generation, and they're Japanese. No, I'm not saying that Japanese games are universally awesome or whatever, I'm just saying anecdotal evidence of this sort is shaky at best. I don't think too many Japanese developers consider LOI to be a shining example of their output.

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Originally Posted by Jeremy

Beat-em-ups can encompass many different parts of gameplay, but the definition I go on for them is based on length. If it's long enough to where I can see myself beating it in one sitting at an arcade, then it's a traditional-style beat-em-up. Then you have the hack-n-slash style, like Golden Axe. NG could, arguably, be a descendent of this style of play, but the noted length I've seen for it keeps it out of the traditional beat-em-up genre name, as do the puzzle elements. Genres blending together is certainly more prominent now than before, which has the potential to be really awesome.

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True, but I don't think it has to be traditional in order to be called a beat'em up.

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Originally Posted by sethsez

Lament of Innocence sucked because Iga clearly rushed it out before it was done. D.

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What?

Lament of Innocence failed because every single room was a square, and you saw the same five textures over and over and over again.

Unless they were going to take the extra time to totally redesign the level structure and shitty textures, then I don't think rushing it out had anything to do with it.

I enjoyed the combat, I enjoyed that they put platforming elements back into CV, but the levels were horrid, and greatly marred the game.

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Originally Posted by Roufuss

What?

Lament of Innocence failed because every single room was a square, and you saw the same five textures over and over and over again.

Unless they were going to take the extra time to totally redesign the level structure and shitty textures, then I don't think rushing it out had anything to do with it.

I enjoyed the combat, I enjoyed that they put platforming elements back into CV, but the levels were horrid, and greatly marred the game.

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Yeah...you just explained why people think it was rushed.

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Originally Posted by Roufuss

What?

Lament of Innocence failed because every single room was a square, and you saw the same five textures over and over and over again.

Unless they were going to take the extra time to totally redesign the level structure and shitty textures, then I don't think rushing it out had anything to do with it.

I enjoyed the combat, I enjoyed that they put platforming elements back into CV, but the levels were horrid, and greatly marred the game.

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Uh, yeah... it was rushed. Not in the "we missed some glitches" sense, in the "we shipped the game out with placeholder levels" sense. Iga has even admitted that it's just a blueprint for the game he REALLY wanted to make. Why it was considered a finished game worthy of release is beyond me.

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Originally Posted by sethsez

Uh, yeah... it was rushed. Not in the "we missed some glitches" sense, in the "we shipped the game out with placeholder levels" sense.

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That's not rushing, that's just pure stupidity.

I dont really understand. Diffx makes thread after thread thats obviously made to incite a flame war or whatever, and this board always takes the bait? Is that how this works?

Diff, your thread was essentially based entirely on your opinion. You seem like a fairly intelligent person, so I would assume that you know that a discussion with that kind of lead-in would begin and end with that. Your opinion. It begins and ends with that because simply, if anyone asserts thier own opinion, you state your opinion again to counter. Its not even a discussion. I suppose it would be valid as a conversation, but an entirely uninteresting one. The only reasoning I can see behind it is that you find pleasure in poking a hornets nest, and that just seems kind of sad.

That said, I suppose I should take the bait myself...

In short, you saying others are wrong, is wrong. You saying that games are better, is wrong. To a certain extent anyway. Games in general are different and thats really about it. Unless you'd like to share with the rest of the class your wonderful new formula that quantifies a games quality. I assume you will, and it will be something to the effect of:

(if game == I like)
{
then game == better;
};

Am I right?

I could go off on any number of tangents to counter every statement you make in your original post. Those counters Im guessing, will be countered with the same finesse you used to create the original post. Which begins the cycle anew. I guess what Im trying to say is, it's odd how you find these new games so interesting, but the game you seem to be playing the most is on a message board.

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Originally Posted by EightBit

You seem like a fairly intelligent person, so I would assume that you know that a discussion with that kind of lead-in would begin and end with that.

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He's also an attention whore.

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Originally Posted by Andrew

You don't get invited to many parties, do you?

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best.....comeback....ever.

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Originally Posted by EightBit

I guess what Im trying to say is, it's odd how you find these new games so interesting, but the game you seem to be playing the most is on a message board.

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Owned!