LOL @ Ecko. Every time I see him it reminds of his role in OZ. I keep waiting for him to ass rape some random white guy.
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LOL @ Ecko. Every time I see him it reminds of his role in OZ. I keep waiting for him to ass rape some random white guy.
kevincal its Desmond not Duncan -- also by all accopunts he has nothing to do with the Others on the Island--he was taking a trip around the world and his craft was marooned on the island where a man who was tending the hatch (Dharma station Arrow) convinced him to guard the button for years based on a leap of faith. Desmond does not know how or why the Dharma project exists nor does he now the Others plans.
Remember when Locke forced Boone to experience the death of his sister Shannon? She was killed by the monster .. except it was all a delusion. How does that figure into all this?
I was also thinking, if Jack Bristow were on the island, you can bet he'd have all the answers he wanted in short order and that it would take just a few episodes before beard man and the rest of the Others were completely incapacitated. :D
You mean me? I meant Desmond, my bad. Corrected. Also, it does not matter whether or not Desmond knew anything about the Hatch and the Others (which is still very much open). Jack thought that he did so he asked him WHAT IS GOING ON with a gun to his head and got nothing. I again think this is the writers' way of saying the secrets will be revealed in their own time and cannot always be forced.Quote:
Originally Posted by soundwave
Jack actually confronted Beardo on this. He said something to the effect of 'If you're so powerful and numerous, why send Ethan Rom into our camp?' (and conversely, Goodwin). His response can either be seen as:Quote:
Originally Posted by soundwave
1- They didn't know who he was
2- They are not as powerful as they claim
If #1, then there are two groups of Others out there. Possible. Do the Others from last episode seem like the spectral Others who kidnapped Cindy like a ghost and coerced the Ana Lucia kills Shannon situation, and do the whispers all the time? Not really. They seem more based in reality. If they don't know who Ethan was, then this proves a second group's existence.
If #2, the more likely intended result of that question, then that's why they don't just overrun them. Either they don't have the strength - it's clear now that the castaways are even more equipped with the hatch... WWII style knives and lugers versus AK47s, or they need them for some purpose. The 'cross this line and we have a problem' thing seems to be more press the button mind control to me.
Very interesting.
And from the crackpot theory department, THIS JUST IN - Vincent the dog - a spy! Yes, on lost-forum.com, there are some who are quite convinced that, one way or another, Vincent the dog is a plant, or has a microphone equipped collar, or something that allows the Others to spy on them using the dog. Someone posted a supposed quote from one of the creators saying Vincent would have an important role, not one that you'd expect. Well, if the Others confront the castaways again, and bring up Jack's army idea, then this theory could be true. Until then, it sounds extremely farfetched.
Ya, that's just like people who are assholes their whole life, then revert to religeon when they get older....it's bs...lol I'm just saying, the others like to take children, children tend to be innocent and not convoluted by all of the bs in the world yet. Maybe the smoke only wants to take genuinely good people as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by soundwave
? You are confusing me with someone else. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by soundwave
portnoyd:
I definitely think Beard Man KNOWS of his brethrens' tactic of sending in a plant to pretend to be a castaway. I mean, why wouldn't he? Vicious and cunning as he is, he could be the one that started the method. The way he smiled and slyly said, "smiling Well now, that's an interesting theory!" tells me he knew exactly what Jack was talking about when he mentioned Ethan. He was just being smug about it.
I still think Beard man and his people are powerful, I mean look at how they almost effortlessly surrounded Jacke, Locke and Sawyer out of nowhere. But I also think that Jack's group is the first band of castaways that they have felt genuinely threatened by. I think by their being able to kill Ethan (before he could cause anywhere near as much trouble as Goodwin who helped the Others wittle away all but a small handful of the Tailies), make the raft (which was an effective enough distraction the night they planned to come to the camp) and get Aaron back from Danielle, they may be a bit worried and perhaps this is why they forced the spooky psychological confrontation in the forest.
This may also be indicated by them having to use Kate as a hostage in order to force them to turn back.
I also think Jack was in even less of a mood to ask questions because Beard man's said in a nutshell "Curiosity killed the cat and we will kill you if you get too nosy." So back to the previous conversation, it probably wasn't the right time to ask "Hey, what's that black smoke stuff and what is up with the hatches? (since he also indicated they were ticked off that they blew open the hatch "Opening doors ya got no business openin.')
edit: Also, interesting that he said "Walt is fine. He is a very special boy." If there is a second group of others, maybe they think they can use Walt's "powers" (and the 'fresh' minds of the other children they steal) to fight them?
EDIT: Found these pictures on a Lost forum. Was Walt in the "ring of fire" with the Bearded Man? :eek: This looks like our fave temper tantrum thrower looking up at one of the torches as they are lit:
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1769/walt18dt.jpg
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8273/walt22hy.jpg
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/2121/walt32xw.jpg
Also, from Lostlinks.net, transcripts of voices inside the smoke column as it "scanned" Eko possible spoiler it sounds like who/whatever is controlling the smoke is having an argument with someone over rules and protocol:
http://www.lostlinks.net/whispers.htm
I agree with your assertion, Dylan, so maybe they need the castaways, or they're not strong enough to overtake them. Just because they can move quietly through the night and surround 3 people doesn't mean they could do that to 45 more.
I was waiting for those whisper translations! Sweet.
Also, kidnapping the children (especially "gifted" ones like Walt) possibly reminds me of another Babylon 5 thread where human telepaths were being accumalated by the Vorlon aliens to disable the Shadows (who had both a genetic and technological weakness to telepathic signals). Not saying Babylon 5 can be used as a template to unwravel the show, but darned if there aren't some possible similarities (bearing in mind of course that sci fi can often be cross compared):
Babylon 5:
Shadowy spider aliens that have a black cloud weapon and are vulnerable to human telepathic signals. Has an enemy they are fighting who collect telepaths (Vorlons). The Shadows eventually start kidnapping telepaths themselves and genetically reverse engineer and hardwire then into their ships as biological weapons.
Lost:
Black cloud creature/device (?) which kills some people but lets others live. Seems to be using signals/brain waves/voices from peoples' minds. Group of dangerous people on the island who are "collecting" children (especially ones like Walt) for their own strange purposes (maybe to fight the possible 2nd group of Others?).
Babylon 5 and Lost: Both feature doctors who often make dangerously unorthodox decisions and want to save people to the point of obsession.
Babylon 5 and Lost: Both feature 2 ominously powerful groups with one weaker group caught in the middle, at least one of which who could wipe out all of the main characters at any time but for some reason choose not to for a specific principal reason which is revealed later.
Babylon 5 and Lost: Both feature mostly unknown Croatian actress Mira Furlan. On Babylon 5 she played Delenn, on Lost she plays Danielle.
Daniel Dae Kim who plays Jin starred in the Babylon 5 spin off, Crusade as Lt. John Matheson, a telepath.
edit: There has also been some discussion on the moderated Babylon 5 newsgroup on possible similarities in arc writing method between both shows, and at least one Lost producer has mentioned J. Michael Straczynski, B5's creator when talking about whether or not they have an "arc" for the show, just do a search within the group for "Lost":
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...?lnk=srg&hl=en
Anyone also notice Beardo said "Alex, bring her out!"
Alex, name of Danielle's son who was taken. Hmmmm