Repubs have increased their lead in the Senate looks like they'll take House lead too.
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Repubs have increased their lead in the Senate looks like they'll take House lead too.
Oh shit... I totally forgot that living standards and the validity of your country's democratic system is directly related to how much your country registers on the international map. I'm moving to Russia, so I can live in a country that is wel known, cause it's really crucially important.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Bush is going to win. We're all dead
As much as I hate kerry I actually hope he wins now if what you are saying is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich
With repubs having that much control it will be easier for Bush to get the things I do not like about his politics done.
If Kerry wins, all thos repubs can counter act the things I don't like about him and life will be all cool like fonzie.
You should have picked a better "country" than that ;p
Colorado called.
If Bush only gets Ohio and Alaska now, it's a tie, pending Maine's 4th vote.
IBTN, mixed Senate - Lower House governments r0x0r.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
IB Dan Rather N, Kerry cannot win.
Tie? Not yet, New Mexico looks to be leaning towards Bush. The GWB camp is looking pretty good about now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich
It's cracking like a Hickory Fire.
I know that. If Bush wins Ohio, he'll win 98% sure. But there's always that awesome possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
Bush may take over in Nevada in a few minutes
OHIO!
Fuck Michael Moore.
Fuck REM.
Fuck Mecca Elf.
Fuck Bruce Springsteen.
Fuck all hippies.
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Originally Posted by MVS
You can't start a fire, you can't start a fire without a spark.
Baby, this gun's for hire, even if we're just dancing in the dark!
But we wuv jooQuote:
Originally Posted by MVS
I said Hippies, not Stoners.
oh, I've got plenty of hippieness in me.
Honestly, Bruce might have been a liability in this election. There seems to be a big aversion to anything Hollywood or celebrity like, look at Clooney's father in Tennesee for an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by AstroBlue
Fox has called Ohio for Bush.
Okay, now that sounds outright gay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xeno G
;)
W has opened a 3.2 million vote lead.
The Gays got PWNED in every state. LOL! But stem cell research is GO in Cali, w00t!
Bush just tied Iowa. (He's actually down 187)
Alaska = Bush.
Bush = 269.
Tie = Win for him.
CRY YOU FUCKING FAT MAN, CRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
NBC says Bush got Ohio. If they're right it looks like we're definately screwed instead of only maybe screwed.
What a great couple candidates.
You know, fuck supply-side economics and Evangelist directed social policy, they're not the reasons Bush winning sucks. It will mean we have to listen to Moore be a complete asswipe some more.Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
I still don't think it's possible for Florida and Ohio to be called tonight. Too many uncounted votes, so I don't think anything will be official tonight.
He would whine in any situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by AstroBlue
At least this way he'll be unhappy and whine.
That = Teh Win.
How about Kerry becomes President, Bush runs a successful oil company, Moore dies of a heart attack, and Osama fucks a goat.Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
WINNAR IS EVERYONE BUT GOAT!
Nader is still the best Republican out there.
How about Kerry goes and bangs his ugly rich wife. Moore dies with both hands in a quadruple cheeseburger and Bush leds the US to conquer 50% of the world and into a war with Space Aliens, who, find a way to make liberals go crazy but are secceptable to ordinary tap water?
That = Teh Win.
As long as the 50% doesn't include Australia :tu:Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
if it involves a dead mike moore..works for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by AstroBlue
Meh
Bush wins: America gets mired down in more expensive profitless war for whatever reason. Michael Moore makes more movies, Osama stays free and kills more people and Iraq becomes 2-3 religous theocracies.
Kerry wins: America gets mired down in more expensive profitless war for whatever reason. Michael Moore makes more movies, Osama stays free and kills more people and Iraq becomes 2-3 religous theocracies.
The difference: Bush screws the gay. Man they really got it in the ass.
Everyone's happy!
Meh its only 5-10% of the population, what could THEY possibly do, throw a hissy fit?
/queer
Well, here's to our reputation getting even shittier in the international community. Great.
And this thread is a great example of what I think is so wrong with this country. "We're winning. "We're losing." WE are Americans. Screw this Republican and Democrat BS. Get rid of parties, and vote for the people who you think are best, not just who falls into some ridiculous "party" you've decided to align yourself with.
Florida is done, its at like 99% in. And the current Bush lead means that Kerry will have to have like 90% of the votes coming in from absentees and such, and EVERYONE says thats a impossibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Chronicle
Ohio has yet to be called by CNN. Others are calling but they want to be sure. Mainly because its at like 80% and like a 100,000 difference. There is like a pixil left of energy in Kerrys bar in Ohio, so its pretty much done.
BUT, he can make a come back. A crazy mad comeback.
I agree. We should band together. And we will. But you know what? A lot of us right-leaning people on a lot of liberal campuses have to always hear how we are turning a blind eye to atrocities. Every single day.
So give us a little gun for a few minutes ;p
What like this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Clash_Master
Unlikely, Kerry's a fucking scrub.
Must suck to be wildlife in Alaska now, but it must rock to be Hillary.
Hillary vs McCane is the day I support the Republicans.
I'm reserving all judgements until all of Ohio's votes are totalled. After that, you can pretty much tell who'll take the election. I will say though, it isn't looking good.
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Originally Posted by MVS
Thanks for the new sig MVS
Damn Skippy, and Shidoshi, why should I care if Almaci hates America even more. ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
On CNN the Democratic Crossfire guys were basically shellshocked and were making it sound like the Democratic party has been all but destroyed and will have to completly rebuild the way they work, because the DFL has lost what was its original name to fame, Rural america, and now they have that elitist smug attitude of the coasts. This election is much bigger then I thought it would be interms of what would happen to the loser. Because th DFL is getting super owned on all fronts.
I think that no matter how this turns out, the "cultural rift" in America can only get worse. If Bush wins, the left get even more furious. If Kerry wins, the right goes crazy. Any either way, us people in the middle watch things slip to one of the two extremes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
The Democrats were in trouble long before this, that the best they could do was Howard Dean then John Kerry speaks volumes of how desperate they are. They've lost touch with what they're supposed to represent, the party is now run by the Susan Sarandons and Barbra Streisands of the world. Limo liberals that need to be deported to Iraq.
The hell are you talking about? Almaci is a poster here, right? Either way, I don't care. I'm talking about what the world thinks about us, which, gee, is actually important. If Bush could actually deal with other countries without acting like a spoiled eight year old, I could mostly be okay with him. But he can't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigana
And I still argue that his cabinet's way of dealing with North Korea is only making things worse, and that's something we REALLY don't want.
Nah. I have more faith than that.
I really don't care what the liberal Kerry morons think, I just thank God that they won't be in the White House now until at least 2016 (Bush until 2008, McCain until 2016). Michael Moore, George Soros and the whole moveon.org bandwagon can all go straight to the hot place and kiss the horned one.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
I don't think, even if he wins, George Bush is going to invite those people into his home. Much less plant one on them. Soros would probably be up for it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
So the world thinks less of us, who the fuck cares. I doubt some Joe Schmoe who hates bush in Europe, Latin America(who hates us for over a century so they really don't count), or Eastern Asia are going to have some epiphany and dedicate their lives to destroying America.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
I mean the practices that have hurt the middle East have been in place over 60 years. I doubt electing Kerry will soothe those feelings.
No, but re-electing Bush will make them worse. That's the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigana
EDIT: Their biggest source of contention is the U.S. unyielding support of the State of Israel against the Palestinians. If we could even make things just a little better there we would deal a major blow to Islamic terror's single biggest caveat. Yet, Bush's only response was the so-called "Roadmap to Peace", and apparently that roadmap led to nothing but a big fucking ditch.
What if its Jeb Bush 2008. Still vote then? Probally happen too, last primary McCain was looking all Dean2004 like, ready to win as the mavrick and boom, out spent and pwned by a Bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
Same shit will happen in 2008, mark me. Jeb Bush will be a return of the current administration in every form, with a better mouth piece. If there's still a Republican party around that a moderate could be proud to be a part of.
Just to thow out an opposing idea, what if the threat of Bush attacking is whats holding some of these people back. Sure the world does not like us, but if Kerry comes in some people may find it a better time to take a shot at us while the guard is changing and a softer president is coming in.
I fail to see the difference in between them from wanting to kill us 60% to now 100%(talking about the ARABS). They still want to kill us and nothing we could do can really apease them.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
That's exactly the kind of thinking that makes this shit such a sinkhole. We don't have to appease them, we just have to fix the problems there we told them we would fix, the Israeli / Palestinian problem being No. 1 among them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigana
... because Arafat and the current Palestinian leadership did nothing to crack down on terrorism. That was their end of the bargain. I guess its unreasonable to hold them accountable for suicide bombings and terrorism, but hey lets give 'em a state anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Israel didn't hold up their end of the bargin either, stop only looking at one side of the issue please, kthx.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
But he isn't. He's saying that both sides broke the bargain.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
No, he isn't. Read his post.
I have the only compromise that'll work. Take a coin, heads is israel, tails palestine. Flip said coin, winner gets the state, losers get nuked: everyone dies on both sides. That'll finally put an end to the israeli question.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
What you really mean, is we get to watch everyone act like emotional retardeds, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
The fact you mispelled retards there isn't really a surprise, but it's still funny considering the context.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
Yes he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Terror strikes still occur. Palestine broke their bargain(wether Arafat had control is another issue)
Israelites see the bargain broken and counterstike, thus breaking their side of the bargain.
He never said anything about Israel. Just because you disagree with me doesn't mean you can just inject things into diffx's argument. STFU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigana
The Dems lost rural America 40 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clash_Master
I think if Palestine were to take the initiative and crack down on terrorism and take some sort of nonviolent resistance movement, progress would be made very quickly. As it is, many people cannot (justifiably) sympathize with a group of people who have spent the last 50 years strapping bombs to their chest, indoctrinating youths towards violence and hatred, and being led by a horrible, corrupt terrorist. If all of those things were to change, the situation would change.
Why not, that'll be fun to watch. I doubt either side would "gracefully" accept defeat. Either way we get both sides screaming at each other to die while one is in power. But here's the scary part:
Once the Justices start retiring, we'll have a 1 party majority federal government in all 3 branches. Is this a good thing?
Ah yes, STFU. The words of a true debater. Such eloquence, such tact. I am convinced by your words.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Perhaps people are voting for the candidates they think are best.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
This is true, but you can't say that Araffat could just snap his fingers and make the terrorists go away. Hamas said they wouldn't stop, even if Araffat and the PLO told them. They can no more fight against terrorists from within themselves than the Israelis can fight against the more military-minded and anti-arab elements in their society. This is a situation that screams for international assistance, but has never gotten it for more than a little while. Usually the foreign countries come in, try to do something, then when it fails they just wash their hands and avoid it.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
You wouldn't acknowledge the facts. No point in debating rationally when someone is determined to be right even when they clearly aren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigana
Didn't I say Ohio wouldn't be called tonight? I also said Florida wouldn't be called, but it did, but I more votes will be counted in the next few days or so.
Ah, because someone inteprets his words differently, they are automatically wrong. I also fail to see how you can consider anything rational, when you are the one who considers the environment to be the most important thing in this election.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
g0zen, I hear you. But really, whose fault is it for letting a bunch of terrorists grow so powerful and ubiquitous in this area? Whose fault is it for spending the past 50 years indoctrinating hatred and violence instead of building a functional, civil society? Who decided to pick up guns instead of the works of Gandhi?
But shoot, yea, lets give 'em a state.
Anyway, CNN put up a totally rad picture of Bush and Kerry shooting eye lasers at each other across the state of Ohio, and its my new avatar.
If the Palestinians stopped being terrorists for a little while then everyone would look at the situation and push for change. Jeb Bush will NOT be the Republican candidate in 2008, it doesn't make sense. As it is a lot of people hate George Bush because they hate the idea of a father and son both getting to be the President, it'd be suicide to roll out another Bush. John McCain has made huge political strides in the last 4 years and is positioning himself perfectly to get the nomination, and a ton of democrats will vote for him.
You can 'interpret' things any way you want, but what he actually said is what was in question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigana
Also, if you don't think the air you breathe, water you drink, and the food you eat are important then you're not only irrational, you're delusional.
Araffat is a scumbag, I understand that, but his support wasn't hurt by the war-mongers Israel had over the years. I think right now is the peak time to take the initiative there, Araffat is a vegetable and Sharon is determined to bring peace even at the cost of his popularity. If Bush wanted to impress me, and make a real dent in the 'War on Terror' then it all hinges on him going full force to press for peace and co-existence in Israel / Palestine.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Um.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
No.
May I ask you what determined this election? What did the people voters against Bush use as their main reasons? Was it the environment, NO. It was the war and the economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
How did Bush win this election? It was national security and moral values, and not the environment.
Environment was NOT an issue in this election. Whether you thought it should be is a rather moot point.
If you're trying to tell me that blocking Gay Marriage is worth letting the environment continue it's decline, then I don't know what to say to you. Your logic is completely alien to me. Also, he hasn't won the election yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigana
I never said it was a hot-button election issue, it should be, but I know it isn't. You were calling me on thinking it was important, to me, and I told you why I do. Please, for the love whatever you consider holy, try to keep up with the conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigana
EDIT: IP pwned
No. It isn't. But if that does happen, I better get the right to own a fucking assault rifle and an armed tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarsKitten
something good better come of this mess.
Edwards made a short and good speech basically saying that they'll make sure every vote is counted.
Kerry just won Michigan which is worth 17 electoral votes..
Dude, you misunderstood me in the other debate. I didn't question the worthiness of your issue. I was just saying that the election wasn't going to be decided by that issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Someone on ABC just said it'll be 10 days before the absentee votes from Ohio are counted.
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Originally Posted by g0zen
Remind me again why you're being a bitch?Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Got me there.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
EDIT: Although, I'll gladly take the Pepsi Challenge between who has the most spelling and grammatical errors between the two of us.
I've been saying this for hours. Ohio and Florida will take 10 days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
much like in anime. I now understand how Kerry got the fag=chan vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Ohio will take a long time. Florida won't. The Democrats have conceded Florida, but not Ohio.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Chronicle
It wasn't a spelling error. I made a typo. I was thinking of when Ali said "retarted" and fucked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
We all fuck up sometimes.
Lets quit being dicks.
The absentee ballots are a formality. Turd Sandwich won.
Florida had many absentee votes, so they have to count those up. Florida is still up fro grabs, but Bush does have the advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigana
If people weren't being dicks, this entire thread wouldn't exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
I was talking about typos.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
I still love you, IP.
As long as there is love, there is a way.
Meh I want an antitank rifle ^-^Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
If this was 1996 it would've been called and Kerry would've conceded by now. It looks like Bush is gonna win 4 out of the 5 remaining states, with Kerry picking up Wisconsin. Final total, Bush - 286, Kerry - 252. Im not saying that to flame, just look at the numbers.
All the liberals need is a one state swing to start their conspiracy theories and months of lawsuits over Bush stealing the election again. Where are all the people that hate the electoral college and wanted it decided by popular vote, now that Bush won that by over 3.5 million and has received more votes than any candidate in the history of the country?
The West.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Palestine.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
PalestineQuote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Look at Islamic Terrorists like you would do the Klan. They're both the same kind of thing, you have an upper echelon of TRUELY evil megalomanics intent on being pricks, and then you get a whole army of followers who are only following them because they offer SIMPLE solutions to their COMPLEX problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
So how do you prevent terrorism?
1. Fuck up the Upper Echelon - Bush has done that successfully.
2. Don't give reasons for the "at risk" to join the evil cause, in other words, you let Palestine exist, and build infrastructure so they're not a bunch of povs - Bush isn't going to do this, he's just going to give the "at risk" more reasons to join the arseholes cause.
{Initates Godwin's Law}
Or think of the Terrorists as Nazis.
There had always been an underlying hatred of Jews in Germany, but it was not apparent because the people were well off and happy, but then the depression came and this hatred floated up to the surface because it was a SIMPLE solution to a COMPLEX problem. It was wasy to blame the Jews for their bad economic situation.
In the same way, there has always been a underlying theme of violence in Islam, but it's being bifuricated by the supression of Palestine, and the distabilisation of every nationalist middle eastern government that's ever tried to exist.
We're still here, and if Bush winds up getting the popular vote then I think he should be president no matter what the electoral college says.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
Oh, and neocons really need to wipe the sand out of their vaginas left over from the 2000 debacle.
Actually, as you know, I'm pretty liberal, and think it would be cool if you guys got a proper democratic system. Regardless if the outcome favoured conservatives. Democracy is about the process, not the outcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
Bush has a 150k vote lead in Ohio. Since we are attention whores in Ohio, we are going to milk this for all its worth. They should call it for Bush, but we don't want to step out of the spotlight.
Looks like Bush's incessent campaigning in Ohio (He visited about every major city, and stayed here the last 10 days) really paid off. What's more amazing, is that we have a horrible Republican Governor, and he was able to overcome that liability also.