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It's a good thing they don't make a shit bit of difference. Republicans historically do better in absentee ballots, and Kerry is going to need some huge percentage to overcome the lead. That is why networks called Ohio last night. This bitch is over, and Kerry just doesn't have the class to concede it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
I understand why Kerry is delaying, because the DNC considered Gore's concession as way too early. He doesn't want to have a shadow of a doubt. I don't harbor any illusions though, another four years of shit coming down the pipe. Apparently though, Americans overwhelming want it, so I guess whatever happens we have only ourselves to blame.
Anyone know any good countries to move to? I'm 100 percent serious, can any of the Aussies on this board talk to me about their policy on accepting foreigners?
Only two more years of school for me... and I'm gooooooone. :)
If you actually think a sitting president has any effect on your life, or well-being as an individual ... you clearly do not understand government and how it works (or doesn't work).
You could moved to the state of paranoia. Its between the state of confusion, and denial.
I agree with your point, toxic, but I will say that I have seen a significant reduction in the taxes I pay under the combination of the Bush Presidency and the Republican Congress.Quote:
Originally Posted by toxic
The doom's day dumbasses are just irrational, though we've known that since they started posting.
Congrats Hicks, your guy won. Here's hoping your children dont get drafted.
I'm too pretty and young to die =O
Enjoy it while you can. The taxes you'll have to pay when our economy caves in from the astronomical debt those tax cuts largely created will have you paying way more in the long haul. Not that I think Kerry (or anyone) could dig us out of that hole, but he at least gave the impression of concern for it. Bush said he's going to try to increase tax cuts which only digs us deeper. This "live for the now" attitude his administration has proliferated is gonna completely F our nation UTA in the near future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
The only bright spot is that Bush is for the Fair Tax plan, but that's a total pipe dream, the transitionary costs for converting from the current system to that will scare off the government and any business that bases their decisions on short-term profit (read: pretty much all of them).
heh, you are probably right, butQuote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
check this out.....
http://www.mndaily.com/articles/2004/10/29/10950
This is just the tip of the iceberg that is already plowing through this country.
Remember this day folks, it is a black day indeed......
You understand that increased revenue from business across the nation increase tax income, even if the rates go down slightly, right? Contrary to incorrect liberal belief, increasing tax rates is not the only way to increase tax revenue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bacon McShig
:lol: :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by SoldatoJ
The people's republic of Minnesota has weighed in. You guys are becoming like the Quebec of the US. No one wants you here. Maybe you and the Frenchies can form some crazy socialist state up there.
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Originally Posted by dave is ok
Oh no, you drank the kool aid too.
Hicks? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by dave is ok
You should quit posting and let us assume you are a moron instead of continuing to post and removing all doubt.
That sounds like a personal attack to me. Time to reportQuote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Funny Yoshi, but again, remember this day when a draft comes a'knockin'. Let me guess, you aren't a young'un right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
dave is ok, move to a country without internet access.
Less talk about morons and hicks and more talk about the subject at hand. Thanks.
And so increased tax income due to slightly lower taxes results in the largest deficit this nation has ever seen? Makes perfect sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
The draft was a made up issue that has no basis in reality. Complete and utter fabrication. Like I said earlier in this thread, Ive never seen anything like it. One party makes a bunch of shit up out of thin air and uses it to try to gain votes in a certain demographic. It was as if Bush said something like, "vote for Kerry and the FBI will come and take your dog away and Kerry will eat your dog. Why do I think this? I dunno, it sounds right, he was in Vietnam and they do that shit there, you know? Think about it!". It was horse shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoldatoJ
Anyway, Kerry needs to concede. This election is over. I know he doesnt want to do something dodgy like Al Gore and concede and then un-concede, but this election isnt anything like 2000, the news outfits are just trying to make it like that. The thought of an Almaci-less TNL makes me truly happy.
I'll be moving to Iraq soon. :link:Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
I dont honestly believe that there will be a draft, but I think the war will go on much too long, and it's not a good time to be a member of the army reserves or national guard.
Kerry should give up, he doesnt stand a chance.
You can use bold font, but that won't change the fact that this is only "the largest deficit this nation has ever seen" because of inflation. On a percentage basis, this deficit is not that large and is frankly not the armageddon scenario that the minority party would like to fool people into thinking it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by lithium
I hear Faluja is lovely this time of the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave is ok
I'm not following the real point of this. At all.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoldatoJ
First, Bush has never even hinted that he will reinstate the draft.
Second, what is the supposedly dark ulterior motive behind reinstituting a draft? The enslavement of our youth to the industrial military complex? All part of Bush's master plan for world domination, no doubt, unlike every president for the last 50 years who never questioned the necessity of having our troops deployed all over the planet. Does everyone remember that we had a draft in this country for decades -- even under presidents like, say, Kennedy, who was virulently anti-communist and thought our armed forces were needed all over the world, including, but not limited to, Viet Nam. Oh yeah, Kennedy actually sent those draftees all over the world, too. I've heard that some of them even died.
Also, I noticed that Kerry kept saying how he would increase troop levels by significant amounts. All without having a draft, I suppose, right? (Not that I think for a minute that Kerry was EVER going to increase troop levels).
What would any president do in the wake of another significant attack on our soil? I'm not saying that a draft is an natural consequence of another attack, but don't you think the notion would (and should) at least cross the collective minds of our elected officials? What would you do? Would another significant attack prompt you to make sweeping military cuts? Or maybe you believe that a REAL president (say, one who won the popular vote, right?) would easily be able to make nice with all of the "freedom fighters" out there, thereby eliminating any threat of attack on our soil, and keeping our sons and daughers free from the military's hellish grip.
It's sorta hard to avoid when Bush is in the subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by SearchManX
With clever people like this guy on his side, I can't fathom how Kerry could not close that three and a half million vote gap.Quote:
Originally Posted by usagi
Oh, horseshit. Another Democratic scare tactic that is now a post-election ruse. Bush doesn't need a draft and has emphatically denied that it's part of the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoldatoJ
Or the current 1 electoral vote gap, you know, the only gap that counts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Only time will tell eh?
Lets stop with the morons this and that please. It does not reflect well on anyone. This is a republic, you vote, your rep goes into power. Having people make choices on who represents them means they have a choice and are free to make the "wrong" one. Don't assume your choice is always the correct one, alot of people can and will disagree.
If you don't like who's elected either leave, or put yourself to work to change public opinion.
One interesting piece of information I haven't seen in this thread is that this is the first time since 1988 that the winner received the majority of the vote, i.e. over 50%. It is also the most votes received by any candidate in American history.
269-242=1? I guess that math backs up my earlier statements.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave is ok
I'm wondering how that happened myself. How perverse, perhaps he does represent what most Americans want in a president.
Again how perverse.
This shouldnt be surprising. Americans always back the sitting President during wartime. Americans dont elect senators for President. Americans dont like uptight Massachusetts liberals.
Have Iowa and New Mexico offically been announced? I'm still showing 254-252 chief, I was off by one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Yahoo news is reporting that Kerry has called Bush to concede.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...n_election_rdp
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AP: Kerry Calls Bush to Concede Presidency
3 minutes ago Top Stories - AP
By CALVIN WOODWARD and RON FOURNIER, Associated Press Writers
WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) won a second term from a divided and anxious nation, his promise of steady, strong wartime leadership trumping John Kerry (news - web sites)'s fresh-start approach to Iraq (news - web sites) and joblessness. After a long, tense night of vote counting, the Democrat called Bush Wednesday to concede Ohio and the presidency, The Associated Press learned.
Kerry ended his quest, concluding one of the most expensive and bitterly contested races on record, with a call to the president shortly after 11 a.m. EST, according to two officials familiar with the conversation.
Yep, Kerry made the call. It's over.
Wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scourge
Might as well I suppose, that's what the republicans did to Gore last time.
Uptight liberals? :wtf: I'm sorry liberals don't typically strike me as "uptight" conservatives who don't find "those people" to be morally acceptable in some way strikes me as uptight.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Liberal? Uptight? :wtf:
Dead on about that senator comment though, we like governors alot better for some reason. Reagan, Bush2 , Carter, Clinton, all governors.
That's all well and true in a situation in which there's time to gradually build up that revenue, with no huge spending to pay off. Now, however, we are in a war in which we are spending a ton of money, and that gradual revenue gain is not properly offsetting the costs we are incurring. Not to mention that $300 rebate check is good times for the here and now, but its nothing next to its effects, which we're already feeling. Jobs are going down in yearly pay much more than that $300 offsets, so people are really losing money in the long run. Once-yearly pouring-in of tax rebate spending to the economy is much lower than overall spending if people were earning $1000s of dollars more yearly without that tax rebate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
If taxes had just stayed the same, we'd be in a much better position. I'm not a proponent of raising them, but unfortunately that may be neccessary. It's not the popular thing to do, I know. But sometimes things gotta be done. We are in a hole, and if we just keep going status quo we will never get out.
"This bullet wound is nothing serious, I mean I'm bleeding pretty badly but I'm still alive. It could have been worse. I'll just ignore and hope for the best."Quote:
You can use bold font, but that won't change the fact that this is only "the largest deficit this nation has ever seen" because of inflation. On a percentage basis, this deficit is not that large and is frankly not the armageddon scenario that the minority party would like to fool people into thinking it is.
Interesting thing about the debt I've always thought is who's gonna make the united states pay its debts? I mean really what nation at this time would call us and ask for the money with "or else" attatched.
Not being an asshole just wondering, seriously whats the consequence of having a massive debt when no one is gonna make you pay, and no one will deny you further credit?
The world economy would collapse - and the world knows it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarsKitten
It's over. Kerry concedes
Kerry was pretty much the stereotypical Massachusetts high-life stuffed shirt. To most Americans, he shouldve been partying with Vanity Fair editors or something. His dopey photo ops with him in full hunting gear, his comments about Lambert Field and Manny Ortez, those didnt help either. Americans dont want someone like that as President, they want something that seems like their guy. Look at Clinton. He was incredibly smart, but seemed down to earth. He would talk on MTV and shit and seemed totally comfortable doing it (kinda like Bush). Kerry on the other hand looked stiff, awkward, like he wanted to be somewhere else. Clinton played the sax and all of that. They also want someone who they think will step up to the plate when someone needs to step up to the plate. Kerry, with his waffling and inconsistent message on Iraq and talks of global tests and shit... he couldnt deliver that message. His attempts to seemed force and were out of step with his other messages.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarsKitten
This is just how Americans pick their president... since, well, Andrew Jackson at least.
I also want to say that I think Kerry has some class for conceding now. I didnt expect it to happen but Im glad he did. The last thing we need is a repeat of 200. As long as Kerry doesnt turn into a stark raving lunatic like Gore we will all benefit.
Oh, and Almaci can start packing his bags right now. Hit the road jack and all of that.
Really how? What's to stop us from just passing our debts around for the next 100 years. Gods know we've have the talent to do it (enron) ect. And an economy the size of ours is pretty easy to lose numbers in.Quote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
We're the biggest badest emperor in the world, who woul dare say we have no pants.
Very true. In 200, Septimius Severus-Septimius Severus came to power at the point of a sword. Severus first challenged Didius Julianus who was the highest bidder to become emperor at a auction held by the Praetorian Guard. Severus went on to defeat Septimius Albinus and Pescennius Niger, each head of his own legion and each claiming the right to be Emperor.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Florida had nothing on Rome.
This election has convinced me that Americans dont give a shit about anyone but Americans.
Unlike the rest of the world, poplulated by all of those lovely, selfless people. Ridiculous. Take a look at per capita charitable contributions the world over. You are, at the moment, not ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave is ok
Really, whats wrong with self interest? Or do you not enjoy your nigh impossibly high standard of living.
Sorry for all america's concern over morality, its all about the hedonism.
I dont live anywhere else but in America.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Planet
I'm not saying we should shower other nations with money, I think we should just mind our business, let the other countries mind their own. I'm just as opposed to 'peace keeping missions' for our troops in third world countries as I am to Iraq right now.
Hahhahah. Ok that was awesome. Bravo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Planet
Yeah, so? Like the French give a fuck about anyone other than the French?Quote:
Originally Posted by dave is ok
See above.Quote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Planet
I got owned.
I don't even want to argue about this. I just want to lay in bed in a fetal position and cry.
i totally heart prince planet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Planet
prince planet wins the thread.
I did, you still don't have a point. Americans are, without question, the most charitible nation on the planet. You can argue that we're too involved with other countries politics, but the truth is that all nations are too involved with other nations politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave is ok
That feeling of dread is just that, dread. We've had plenty of incapable presidents before, I dont expect anything terrible to happen in the next four years and I'm sure nothing will. It just sets us, as the most powerful country in the world a few steps back in certain areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
Heres my predicitions:
I dont think Roe v. Wade will be overturned
I dont think gays will be able to marry
Other countries are, however going to become more advanced in medical sciences than the U.S., especially with stem cell shit.
The war will eventually end, and Iraqs president will be best buddies with America giving us a sweet deal on oil.
Other countries will still resent the shit out of us.
At least one terrorist attack will occur on American, nothing to rival the scale of 9/11.
This is POTY for me...Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Planet
That's actually a fact. This current election came down to Ohio, a state which has its primary culture being located in the Northeast and in the central area with Columbus. Almost the entire rest of my state are hicks, something that gets worse and worse the farther south you go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Thing is, that lines up perfectly with the strength of Bush as evidenced by CNN's map. Say whatever you like, but it's truth that the hicks got Bush elected this time. I can't say anything about other states because Ohio's the only one I really know.
If anything, this has certainly jaded me about politics. I look back now and I feel pretty foolish for having bought in to all the hype the Dems and their surrogates pumped me up with. This wasn't a close election, Bush won the largest popular vote since Reagan, and the Reps still control the Congress. Apparently, America knows which direction it wants to go in, and despite my being completely opposed to it, the people have spoken and theres nothing we can do but accept it and try and make the most of it.
IAWTPQuote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
EDIT: All I will say is that I'm so tired of politics, being so attentive to them for the past six to nine months, that I personally won't care again until four years from now. I don't care what happens anymore; let us get what we deserve.
Lastly this. I really fear for the Democratic party and what this will lead to for them. All the extremely Liberal Dems will say "I told you so!", seize control of the party, and things will go downhill from there.
Or I can be wrong, as I have for all of the elections I've voted in so far (2000 Presidential Election, 2001 NYC Mayoral Election, 2004 Presidental Election).
:cry:
Quitter.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave is ok
A couple of things to note about this election.
1) The 18-25 vote was much lower than expected (at around 15%, or about 1 out of every 10)
2) Bush won the popular vote with a high voter turnout. Usually, high voter turnout benefits Democratic candidates
3) The surprising #1 reason why many Americans voted for Bush according to some exit polls was not for the economy or even terrorism. It was morals.
I'm not happy with the outcome, but that's that. I just hope Bush implements policies to reduce the deficit, gets us out of the Iraq fiasco, and doesn't try to overturn Roe v Wade with his Supreme Court justice appointees.
I have not heard Kerry concede. "White house aid says" is the headline on all sites I have found (CNN.com, etc.). Call it denial, but too many people listen to bullshit and believe it all. As it stands, 254-252....
Abortion will still be permitted in the Northeast.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave is ok
I'm not gay and no one wants to marry me anyway.Quote:
I dont think gays will be able to marry
Without health insurance I'm pretty sure stem cell medicine is out of my budget.Quote:
Other countries are, however going to become more advanced in medical sciences than the U.S., especially with stem cell shit.
Lower gas prices for me.Quote:
The war will eventually end, and Iraqs president will be best buddies with America giving us a sweet deal on oil.
I can't afford to leave the country.Quote:
Other countries will still resent the shit out of us.
Not in a blue state.Quote:
At least one terrorist attack will occur on American, nothing to rival the scale of 9/11.
That's how I'm dealing with this.
No they don't. America is built up of large groups of people, and large groups of people never know which direction they want to go in. One of my friends got enrolled in police training a few months ago and was shipped to a fairly small town, where people were voting because they 100% truly believed that one of the candidates would ban the Bible in America.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I'm not saying Kerry or Bush should've won, I'm just saying that most of the people who voted aren't bright enough to vote in the first place.
I'm glad he didn't drag it out. That said, I'm gonna one up Burg and cry under my bed.
Congrats to the red folks. I hope you were right.
I only hope that jaded feeling people are feeling now doesn't turn to outright voter apathy. There are elections every year, and while this presidential election was very important, the local elections are even more important because they have a bigger effect on our daily lives. It would be a shame if all those new registered voters don't participate in their local elections.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
personally i think it'll go the other way, the democrats will say, well going left with kerry didn't work so lets try this republican light and move to the right.Quote:
Originally Posted by SonofdonCD
Kerry wasn't a leftist but the liberal tag stuck.
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/internets.php
Forget about all the issues for a second and just take the time to realize that our president, the man who represents the United States, barely knows what the Internet is. I can only assume that world leaders across the globe watch that clip and just laugh their asses off.
I hope I'm not the only one who finds this embarassing.
gods help us if he tries to pass legislation in the morality of the internets.
Odd then that they elected someone who was a draft-dodging coke sniffer, innit?Quote:
3) The surprising #1 reason why many Americans voted for Bush according to some exit polls was not for the economy or even terrorism. It was morals.
Alls I'm sayin' is... no more late term abortion and Osama is gonna spare me 'cause I still live in a "blue" state. WHOO!
So, are you guys ready for McCain/Giuliani vs. Hillary/Obama in 2008?
Nah it'll Jeb Bush/Giuliani vs h. Clinton/someone else mark me.
Better than a back-stabbing coward who pandered for purple hearts. I'll bet 80% of the people on these boards have tried illegal drugs, myself included, so that's a dumb measuring stick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bacon McShig
He was still a draft dodger, though.
Can't really blame him, I mean I'd probably try to avoid the draft too.
It's just stupid that Americans see Bush as the tough guy here when he hasn't even seen a day of war.
Tough guy? No. Smug goofy looking man? Yes!Quote:
Originally Posted by OmniGear
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Originally Posted by dave is ok
What is this, the Dark Ages? We are all interconnected economically and socially. Often, our most pressing interests ARE overseas. The only way other depressed economies become better is through the interaction with others (Look to N. Korea for an example of what happens when you isolate yourself.)
Has Michael Moore exploded yet?
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Originally Posted by OmniGear
Actually, he's decisive. Which is something we haven't had in a leader in a looong time. You might not agree with his decisions, but that's what a leader does ... he decides and you follow.
The people have put him charge to make the next 4 years worth of decisions.
Ninjas did not explode Michael Moore!Quote:
Originally Posted by soundwave
Are you a bad enough dude to explode Michael Moore?
For the sake of American political discourse MM must die!
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Originally Posted by Cowdisease
Haven't you been reading? We will all be destroyed by then! THE WORLD IS GOING TO END! omfgkthx
War doesn't make you tough. Is Brett Favre tough? He hasn't been to war, right? Clinton was accused of the same thing and most of us, put in a position where we could avoid being a grunt in a war in a foreign country, would probably make the same choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by OmniGear
IBTN. Clinton is the Democratic Hero of the World, and he didnt even join the fucking air national guard and shit, he just went to Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
Anyway, if there was a draft and I was drafted... Id go fight. Simple as that.
Agreed. Though I am too old now, I certainly registered with Selective Services when I turned 18, and if I were drafted, I would have gone and gladly bombed Muslims.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
He was there, he did his time, he had all the right in the world to protest it after he got out. You've ever hated a job you had, but held in your objections in order to keep it, and then once you were out said "thank god!", and proceeded to tell people horror stories about your experiences there and pointed out any stupid shortcomings of the job? Same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
Drugs, that's true. However, from my understanding, Bush had his fair share of the wild life, then when he went clean he took a hard position against people who were doing the very same things he did, a position that if adopted those years earlier when he was in that stage would have affected him many times over. Flip-flop?
Bush's stance on drugs is what alot of parents go through. From recreational user, to strict anti-drug stance. For good reason. Life experiences show you all the bad things drugs can do, and you don't want others (your friends, or your children) to suffer.
I would rather take advice from someone who has taken drugs, then someone who has never taken them at all.
So Kerry concedes eh - I voted, was hoping for a change. =\ This sucks, Oh well, back to the daily life, nothing else anyone can do.
What? He was there and did everything he could to get the hell out and then stabbed his comrades in the back by calling them "baby-killers" and shit. I'd *hardly* call that honorable or equate it with the shitty coffee you get at work or how your boss made you stay an extra 15 minutes on Friday night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bacon McShig
I'm tired of hearing "oh, the uneducated hicks won".
Hey, guess what? If I had my say, most people wouldn't be voting. But that goes both ways. My whole family voted Kerry and they didn't have a lick of reasoning behind it other than "war for oil".
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Originally Posted by Joust Williams
The "college educated" vote was something like 48% Bush / 52% Kerry. So much for the "hick" factor, that's pretty close.
To those who are still bummed about Bush winning and are contemplating suicide/moving out of the country, just remember this.
Halo 2 comes out in Tuesday.
There? Feel better?
effing hilariousQuote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You make me :yuck:
Eh, we can play "Sins of the Past: Partisan Edition" all day. Congratulations on your guy's win, and here's to hoping he does his best to make the nation better than it was when he inherited it.Quote:
What? He was there and did everything he could to get the hell out and then stabbed his comrades in the back by calling them "baby-killers" and shit.
Hopefully it landed squarely on your shoes. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by SoldatoJ
An "internet" is merely a network which bridges two or more distinct networks. "The" Internet just happens to bridge far more networks than any other internets in existence.Quote:
Originally Posted by OmniGear
It can correctly be argued that Bush's use of the term "internets" is correct and even makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dictionary.com
I voted for Halo 2. I win!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowdisease
That is my ONLY consolation at this moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowdisease
I think now I'll start on Legendary; there is so much latent anger built up inside me at this moment, the Covenant will never know what hit them.
I am. Halo 2 will make it all better.
Clinton (both times) and the elder Bush won the popular vote by larger numbers and higher percentages.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Apparently it is possible to have shittier candidates than the ones we had this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarsKitten
Yeah, but how many of them imposed stiffer penalities on drug offenders when they were elected governor?Quote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
If that advice amounted to "Go to jail" I sure wouldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by toxic