A Ballot Initiative to Double the Minimum Wage

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Originally Posted by teenwolf

A very flawed book from the marxist Vice-Chair of the Democratic Socialists of America. Why would anyone want to read about a wealthy elitist woman and her very temporary and selective foray into the workplace in an attempt to "prove" that the working poor cannot make it in our society?

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Because the working poor can't make it in our society. And they're too poor to write a book about it themselves I suppose.

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Originally Posted by dave is ok

Thats around what I would pay where I work, which is why I have no health insurance.

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I have kids, therefore I must have it.. this is why no one has health insurance in American and if they do they are broke.

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Originally Posted by JMET

I have kids, therefore I must have it.. this is why no one has health insurance in American and if they do they are broke.

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I live in America and have health insurance. Mine is free (paid for by my employer), and coverage for my wife, including vision and dental, costs me about $46 per month, which is less than the amount of extra take home I got as a result of Bush's latest tax cut.

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Originally Posted by Stone

Yeah, I agree with you, to some extent, but what is the difference between what you are saying and this:

"I don't like everybody being able to vote. The choice of who leads our country is complicated, and it's absurd that people who know nothing about the rest of this world or politics have a vote that is as worth as much as the vote of people who actually take the time to learn something about government."

The average person is probably better equipped to understand the long term ramifications of a single issue (ballot initiative) than they are equipped to understand what will happen when they elect a representative, right?

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You bring up a good point here and like you agree with me to an extent I agree with you to an extent. I think we're better equipped to vote for leaders because they give us an idea of their plans and then we listen and say "Oh, ok, that makes sense" but when you leave a governmental desicion to people they often do not know the impact what something will do while most politicians are well informed on how things work, whether it's right or not. The problem here is that a lot of economic ideals of both the Republican and Democrat party have never been able to hold water because a lot of them are never given the full time they are needed to fully work out because of the constant party switching in the government.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

I live in America and have health insurance. Mine is free (paid for by my employer), and coverage for my wife, including vision and dental, costs me about $46 per month, which is less than the amount of extra take home I got as a result of Bush's latest tax cut.

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Good for you dude - I have free health, dental, and vision, and if I had a wife or kids they would have the same.

What we've got doesn't have anything to do with the topic, does it?

What kind of life do we want the average single mother with two kids and no college education to lead? How much money should she have? Should she have health insurance?

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Originally Posted by Stone

Good for you dude - I have free health, dental, and vision, and if I had a wife or kids they would have the same.

What we've got doesn't have anything to do with the topic, does it?

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I think the point he was bringing up was that it's not overly difficult to get health coverage. I don't know anyone over the age of 22 that doesn't have health insurance and I know a lot of broke ass people. I work a shit job and still get health care.

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Originally Posted by Gohron

I think the point he was bringing up was that it's not overly difficult to get health coverage. I don't know anyone over the age of 22 that doesn't have health insurance and I know a lot of broke ass people. I work a shit job and still get health care.

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Is this really true? Yeah, I had no problem getting health insurance, but my experience is not the experience of an average 23 year old. My sister doesn't have health insurance.

I don't know.

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Originally Posted by Stone

What kind of life do we want the average single mother with two kids and no college education to lead? How much money should she have? Should she have health insurance?

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I was raised by a single mother and occasionally my father was around (he did more damage then good when he spent most of his income on herione) and my mom managed to take care of both of us (and at times my father too) with a less then 25k a year income (which isn't too far away from what I make) just fine and still have enough money here and there for various luxuries and she never had any problems with providing both of us with health care. She is not college-educated, works a low-paying job (which in recent years has put her up to about $11 an hour, with my over-time our incomes are relatively the same) and still managed and even gave a friend of hers a few hundred a month who was in need. Succeeding in this country is not as hard as the liberals make it out to be, success does not mean "2 cars, a house and a big screen TV either, people in this country want too much.

Who here works for corporations or large companies that has no problem getting health care?

I've worked many jobs for a couple years each, and from my experience I can say that "Big company = benefits, Small company = go fuck yourself"

Basically my gripe is that it's very very expensive for small business owners to offer their employees insurance

No, and I agree with you. I had a similar situation - mother never finished college, I've met my father once, my mother had two kids. My mother worked two or three jobs while I was a kid, and she put herself through school. She now makes a hell of a lot of money and is very happy. I'm successful for a 23 year old, my sister's not, but still, my mother has accomplished an amazing amount.