What are you?

Where's the Libertarian option?

I think someone already posted this in another thread but what the hell...

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

I was a Dirty Liberal leaning Centrist.

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Originally Posted by Gohron

People die, that's not to say that I think murdering people is wrong but I do not equate aborting a baby to save the life of the person carrying it murder. It's a very very tight ethical question, if it was up to me I would outlaw abortion but in such instances as you mentioned I would probably still leave the ultimate desicion up to the person carrying the baby.

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That's some rational stuff there :nod:

I don't quite understand the exact implications of your question but I'll say this: I completely understand being afraid of death but I myself am not afraid of it, and I admit this may alter my perceptions of such things in ways that are not seen as logical or ethical.

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Originally Posted by AstroBlue

That's some rational stuff there :nod:

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Sarcasm or not?

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Originally Posted by Gohron

Sarcasm or not?

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Not

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Originally Posted by AstroBlue

Not

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Wasn't quite sure, you can give some good suprises sometimes :P

I didn't know where else to put this, but this seems like a good place considering all of the abortion talk. Gotta love tshirthell.com (their wrapping paper is really freaking funny).

http://www.tshirthell.com/store/prod...?productid=379
and
http://www.tshirthell.com/store/prod...?productid=380

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Originally Posted by Nic0

You pretty much hit the nail on the head...I do agree with those things. However, that does not make my train of thought laughable. I could say the same about yours. We hold different opinions and we both think we're right. You're just as stubborn as I am.

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Yes, actually it does. You see sperm die by the millions naturally and are replaced in the male body the same way eggs die naturally and are replenished in the female body. To take your train of thought to its extreme, all humans must begin having sex from the moment they become fertile or they are guilty of allowing their component reproductive tools to die of neglect. It's ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by g0zen

Yes, actually it does. You see sperm die by the millions naturally and are replaced in the male body the same way eggs die naturally and are replenished in the female body. To take your train of thought to its extreme, all humans must begin having sex from the moment they become fertile or they are guilty of allowing their component reproductive tools to die of neglect. It's ridiculous.

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How is it you came to that conclusion from my points?

Also I'm not taking it to the extreme. My position stays the same regardless of whether conservatism moves farther right or the left moves farther left because I don't base my views on society.

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Originally Posted by Nic0

because I don't base my views on society.

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Then why are children grown up in the wild devoid of language and human customs?

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Originally Posted by Nic0

How is it you came to that conclusion from my points?

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You agreed with my earlier post in that you believe life begins at conception. Thus, if life begins at conception then the two components which fuse during the act of conception are life (the sperm and the egg) in and of themselves and for someone to kill these living components or simply allow them to die, they would be (under this rationale) guilty of murder and / or manslaughter.

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Originally Posted by Nic0

Also I'm not taking it to the extreme.

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'Drawing the line' at conception essentially invalidates your entire point because you're conceding that even in your viewpoint there is a time when something is not 'life' and doesn't deserve any special treatment to 'live'. So, how is it that the point where you make that distinction is somehow more humane than where I make it?