What are you?

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Originally Posted by Mman

It isnt a child though...it is not equivolent to a human being until it is born. It is some fraction thereof, but it does not equate to murder. Personally, I think until the baby is born it is just another organ in the woman and she should have the right to remove it if it is displeasurable to her, no matter if the sex was willing or not.

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The fact that society has declined as far as to argue the right of an organism (Im refering to humans, not animals/plants), no matter how far along in the birthing cycle, is absurd. The next big step in the logical regression of society is euthanasia. (yeah I know that's not what we're talking about but I'm just pointing that out..its only a matter of time till society finds that acceptable) Yeah the left is real enlightened :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ViciousJazz

A tapeworm is a foreign body that was introduced to the body. Though tapeworms do grow and develop off of the hosts nutritional system, it's nothing compared to what a mother's body does in order to prepare for nurturing a child.

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There are several comparisons to be made, but what is important here is that it is the mother's body alone that insures the newborns development. If the mother, for whatever reason, decides she no longer wants her body to be used in this manner it should be (and currently is) her right to terminate the relationship.

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Originally Posted by ViciousJazz

A tapeworm is a foreign body that was introduced to the body. Though tapeworms do grow and develop off of the hosts nutritional system, it's nothing compared to what a mother's body does in order to prepare for nurturing a child.

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So is sperm. Sperm utulizes a cell (the egg) much in the same way a some virus utilize human cells, then developes similar to that of a tapeworm egg. They all can do some amazing things to the human body, but they are all taking advantage of the human body to create conditions best suited for their own survival.

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Originally Posted by Nic0

The fact that society has declined as far as to argue the right of an organism (Im refering to humans, not animals/plants), no matter how far along in the birthing cycle, is absurd. The next big step in the logical regression of society is euthanasia. (yeah I know that's not what we're talking about but I'm just pointing that out..its only a matter of time till society finds that acceptable) Yeah the left is real enlightened :rolleyes:

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I think that anybody who wants to be euthanized has that right.

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Originally Posted by Nic0

The fact that society has declined as far as to argue the right of an organism (Im refering to humans, not animals/plants), no matter how far along in the birthing cycle, is absurd. The next big step in the logical regression of society is euthanasia. (yeah I know that's not what we're talking about but I'm just pointing that out..its only a matter of time till society finds that acceptable) Yeah the left is real enlightened :rolleyes:

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You're taking an idiotic standpoint. By following the far-right's laughable train of thought, then life begins at conception and birth control instantly becomes murder by the same logic as stem cell research and abortion.

Edited for content, by choice.

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Originally Posted by ViciousJazz

By definition a symbiosis may be exclusively beneficial to one of them, and regardless of the genetic makeup of the infant in its early stages, a developing infant is still far different from an egg, which the body will eventually reject if not fertilized.

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It wasn't regarding the genetic makeup. If that was that case, we shouldn't kill any tumours because they are "new life" and you are apparently a completely different being to when you were two. Mine was about life.

I think i've said this in another thread, in absolute terms, no new life has even been created since the original abiogenesis event (whether you think that was when God finished his work in CAD or whether you think we rained down from the sky as amino acids). You are the continuation of the same life as your mother and you father, etc.

And how do you define different? What makes you inherently "different" from your mother and father?

Abortion is an impossible question.

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Originally Posted by Nic0

Yeah the left is real enlightened :rolleyes:

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Don't assume that leftists are regressive animals with no regard for civilized discourse.

It is my belief that society will eventually overcome many of the taboos that have been left by our overly puritanical anscestors, but for now there's a great duality to our behavior.

It is also my belief that to some degree, human beings not only require, but inherently desire strife and suffering. Without it, there would be no discipline or order. Without anything to fear, every man becomes a nation whose beliefs are irrefutable. We're only so lucky to be able to harm one another and have dissenting beliefs. But I think that in this particular case, abortion removes a certain aspect of (self) control and fear among human beings.

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Originally Posted by Mman

I think that anybody who wants to be euthanized has that right.

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Yeah, me too, but I also agree with George Carlin about that matter.

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Originally Posted by g0zen

You're taking an idiotic standpoint. By following the far-right's laughable train of thought, then life begins at conception and birth control instantly becomes murder by the same logic as stem cell research and abortion.

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The far-left's train of thought is laughable too but you follow that.

It's really a matter of how you percieve the world.

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Originally Posted by AstroBlue

Abortion is an impossible question.

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No it isnt. If we are fucking with definitions I change abortion to mean anything I damn well please. Personally, I think of it is removing a fetus. Abortion is therefore still a valid question.

Its a valid question but an impossible one to answer definitively because, as AstroBlue and I have said before, its more of a question of ideology than anything else.