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"If bush brings us into two more wars, starts a draft because of it, and watches the economy collapse before our eyes, who you gonna complain to?"
Huh? Not every Republican thinks like Bush on every issue. You think everything is just going to go unchallenged in Congress?
Sigh and this statement, is why, these two sides will remain split right down the middle till the bitter end. Haoh we are sore fucking losers. I wasn't and still am not content to sit by and watch bad choice after bad choice destroy this country, but I'm dying to hear the excuses your party makes when Bush fucks up again. Not that they'll have anyone to answer to y'know, god forbid Clinton had to but doesn't, but I can't wait to hear the ond sided American government tell me that the reasons we fucked in Iran or North Korea is The Democrats fault. I can't fucking wait for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
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Originally Posted by Joust Williams
Yes. I do. There will be disparity in the party, but its still the same parties, the same basic ideals are gonna go through, or be won over pretty easily. Sorry that scares the crap out of me and yes I believe it wholeheartedly.
You seem to be so set on the draft and the possibility of war with N. Korea or Iran. If a war happens with either of those countries it will likely be the cause of both of them, a UN coalition will probably hit Iran if they keep fucking around and N. Korea will get caught in between the might of the US and China and the war will likely be over in less then a week.Quote:
Originally Posted by youandwhosearmy
There MIGHT be a draft but I highly doubt it, another Korean war will be a conventional war, modern conventional wars end very quickly, even more so when a little third world country is caught in between two military super-powers, Iran may be a different story but as I said, it will likely be a UN coalition if we get into that mess. Everyone says we are stretched too thin but we have less then 10% of our military committed to Iraq at anytime and those numbers will decrease over-time.
A war with China would be a different story but the chances of that happening in the time-frame of the Bush Administration are just about nil. We rely too heavily on eachother, it's going to take both of us being backed into a corner which may or may not happen in the next 15 years.
How exactly did the government blame Iraq on the Democrats? Last I heard they said we were doing quite well over there and for the most part I am inclined to agree with them, on a tactical stand-point anyhow.Quote:
Originally Posted by youandwhosearmy
Who are you, Nostradamus? Sounds like you're heavily relying on some crystal ball that's foretelling the future. Two more wars? A draft? A collapsed economy? Rampant llama population explosion? Oh, you didn't say that last one.Quote:
Originally Posted by youandwhosearmy
Please, gloom and doom might be your interpretation of the future, it's certainly not mine. I would've predicted a far less bright future, however, with the Senator from Massachusettes and his increased spending. Did you hear even half of the shit that he wanted to fund? More troops in Iraq? Huge border patrol increases? Inspecting the other 95% of cargo ships? National Health Insurance? More funding for No Child Left Behind? And all of this was somehow, once again, supposed to be funded by small businesses that are NOW struggling to survive against giant corporations?
I think we voted for the lesser of two evils, thank you very much.
"There will be disparity in the party, but its still the same parties"
Do you know what voting is like? Not everyone votes along party lines.
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Originally Posted by Gohron
I appreciate your logic, but for me its more that this administration lost me in Iraq, and I just can't believe what they say anymore. I know its probably gonna go down like that, like you say, well except for the draft, I really do think there will be one and I'll stick by that till the end.
I don't. And Iraq no, terroism, yes. Fedrrel surplus going to deficit, yes. You can't tell me that this administration has taken any blame on their shoulders and nobly walked on with it. It hasn't. It has been passed of to the Clinton years, and if you don't believe me that most of the hardcore Republicans think that way, go look up any post by Yoshi in the past two years.
Good post, YAWA I see where you're coming from because it doesn't feel good to feel like you're hopeless but Bush isn't going to drive this country into the deepest pit it's ever been in. This stuff has been said over and over again since the beginning of the US and it never happened, both sides are at fault, I thought Kerry was dangerous because he wanted to fuck with gun laws and a lot of Americans (including myself) are very fanatical about defending their second amendment but I didn't think he was going to throw this country into disparity and I would've just weathered his administration as best as I could.Quote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
"It has been passed of to the Clinton years"
Well, Clinton really didn't do nearly all that he could do.
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Originally Posted by haohmaru
When history somehow changes itself back to this administration not spending a 4 trillion dollar surplus in its first two years, and turning it into now after last week an 8 trillion dollar deficit, when that circumstance ceases to exist, then I'll let you get away with telling me that Bush could do better with money than anyone else at all.
I don't subscribe to doom and gloom, just with this president. I find him in my eyes to have his own selfish agenda, and now no one can stop him from doing it.
Mark my words, if there is another war, there will be a draft in some form in this country. The only thing Nader ever said that didn't make me wanna slap him was the shit he said about the draft this year, he was right on. Its already a backdoor draft, soon though it won't be.
I think we voted out of fear as a nation, I think we didn't at all sorry.Quote:
I think we voted for the lesser of two evils, thank you very much.
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Originally Posted by Joust Williams
Clinton's effective presidency was really only 5 to 6 years considering he was under grand jury investigation pretty much all through his second term. Its amazing he got done what he did under that bullshit. I'm really not saying its a hugely valid excuse, but you try running the fucking country while every detail of your life is being investigated to the ninth degree and every day you wake up your not sure much longer you get to be president all because you made a personal choice. Hell if the democrats put half the pressure on Bush that was put on Clinton back then he'd shatter into a million pieces.
You should really watch the Peter Jennings interview if you haven't, its really fascinating to hear his perpsective on it.
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Originally Posted by Gohron
Oh believe me Gohron I'm screaming at the wind because I don't believe in it, but I still wake up and hope I'm wrong about it.
You can always trust to that. I'd rather have to eat my own bullshit than wind up being right.
And you think Bush has it easy? I dunno why you say that.
Anyway, think what you want, but this majority in Congress should be the least of your worries.