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TR1 was an amazing game. Like someone stated earlier, the sense of exploration was second to none. Shit, I think it still is second to none. The controls sure as hell weren't perfect, but they were functional. I never understood the hate on the camera, it worked fine.

It's cool if you guys don't/never liked it, but that doesn't make it a bad game.

i loved the Saturn rev a helluva lot more then the PS version. dunno why.

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Originally Posted by Sl1p

I played it some today while I was talking to Mzo about it. It easily stood the test of time, ugly ass models aside.

And I never understood why people who sucked at video games had a problem with the controls. Oh...Oh, I see what I did there. lol!

The camera was directly behind you about 90% of the time, so I don't see the problem there and the puzzles, for being of the item A to place B and lever pulling variety, are sadly still better than puzzles in most games today. In fact, I don't think we've evolved much.

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I bought the game, the moment it hit retail. Played about 5 levels and grew board with turning my character like a robot (ala Resident Evil). You couldn't walk your character backwards on a platform, she'd jump back and fall off the ledge. The hardest part of playing Tomb Raider, was the shitty control interface. It was the one thing about the game, that turned me off from playing the title.

I played the game a couple of months ago, to see how well it stood up. It was a painful reminder of why I quite playing it in the first place.

Mario 64 did 3-d better than Tomb Raider ever did and controlled a hell of a lot better.

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Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Dyne

i loved the Saturn rev a helluva lot more then the PS version. dunno why.

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I had the saturn version years ago and boy was it ugly.

I also loved the original TR1 when it first came out. The sequels kinda stunk but I did love TR4 (Last Revelation) which is the next best TR.

Wonder how the Crystal Dynamics TR will turn out. They should keep the TR: Angel of Darkness engine and just fix it all up. The game was junk but it did look good (on PC) with all the effects enabled on a DX9 card.

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Mario 64 did 3-d better than Tomb Raider ever did and controlled a hell of a lot better.

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Is "3-d" a genre now?

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Originally Posted by Punky Skunk

Is "3-d" a genre now?

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No. It's a way of life.

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Originally Posted by raystorm

I had the saturn version years ago and boy was it ugly.

I also loved the original TR1 when it first came out. The sequels kinda stunk but I did love TR4 (Last Revelation) which is the next best TR.

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The first and fourth games were indeed excellent. I still haven't played Angel of Darkness.

Good to see the hysterical TR backlash didn't extend to TNL (for the most part). God, the memories I have of just losing myself in the first game.... I'm still not sure what went wrong with the subsequent installments.

That was the shame of TR 2 & 3 ... they never bothered to fix what was wrong in the first place. They just added more levels, monsters, and polygons to Lara's mammaries.

I can definitely see why people would've disliked it. The controls were clunky, and the camera did give you whiplash a few times (in crucial points) ... but it also rewarded you for sticking with it. The visuals were fantastic at the time (I remember the first time I entered the "ice cave" ... and looked around .. whoa.) and some of the puzzles were harder than your usual fare. I thought it was a great balance of "frustration vs reward". Meaning, it sucked to get squashed by a boulder for 30 straight minutes ... but the need to "see what's next" kept you churning away at.

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Originally Posted by Glass Joe

TR1 was an amazing game. Like someone stated earlier, the sense of exploration was second to none.

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That was me, fool! That game was tizzite.

The control scheme was fine... maybe not the best, but it worked out. To walk backwards on a ledge, hold shift and press back. She'd never walk off a ledge as long as you hold shift. If you jump back off a ledge and press Ctrl, she'd grab onto it. It was one of the first full 3D games I played, and it was great. HUGE PoP influence, down to the delayed jumping of the series, and I loved it.

Combat was fun, too, jumping and tumbling and aiming at multiple enemies. That game was tizzite back in the day. Shit, it still is. I wish there was an updated version, or at least a DirectX one that ran with my Radeon =*( I haven't played it in forever, and the PC graphics on my old Voodoo 2 were looking NICE.

It had lots of wolves, too, so half this board should love it ^..^

I actually MADE myself play through 2 and 3 to completion. The level designs were just ass and the engine was identical, so it just never worked out to the same old magic. You know, I have TR4 and never even installed it. I'm surprised to hear it doesn't suck, I'm giving that a spin fo sho this weekend.

Oh, another thing that pissed me off was how the TR1 controls were perfect with the number pad, but by TR3 they were screwed with. There was a patch to remap them, but STILL.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

Go play a high end PC game, then go back to playing an ugly ass PS2 game and tell me that there won't be a huge jump.

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You're right about that, but when I said "the leap from this generation", I was referring to the best of this generation..

ugly ass PS2 games are quite often not even on par with many DC games, and I used the DC in my equation.

(leap from DC to xbox >= leap from xbox to next gen)

Next gen might eventually look very good, i guess, but do you guys honestly think that the first couple years or so of games on next-gen systems will look monumentally better than what we have now?
I guess it's just a matter of what kind of time and resources developers have to spend on a game.