Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater

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Originally Posted by Will

I know I'm extremely late to the party but I bought the game pretty recently and I just beat this game today (man it never fucking ended sometimes) and it's definitely THE game of 2004 alongside Halo 2 for me. What a great satisfying ending, you really feel for Snake for the US playing him like that and I want to see some type of remake of the Metal Gear games with him following MGS3.

The game makes me want to play the other games because of how well the setup is done in this game to make all the other games make alot of sense(well...some sense with MGS2). I kept wanting Snake to finally usurp The Boss's hand to hand skillz in the cut scenes but you pretty much have to lay the smackdown yourself.

Snake is definitely more human in this game, moreso than any of the other protagonists. He follows the whole 'manupilated by outside forces routine' but it's exciting to see what he becomes (unfortunately I haven't played the Metal Gear games). At first I wasn't really that excited to play as Big Boss and maybe even hated the idea at some point but this game proved how awesome he was and how to be a "not gay" version of Solid Snake by scoring with a hot chick. No lame Otacon here either.

The Raiden/Raikov shots were hilarious, they went to not expense to humiliate the characters. I loved when Snake finally lost his right eye, that was awesome. All the boss fights were pretty memorable even if the characters themselves weren't as cool looking or as interesting as the MGS villain crew. The Volgin/Shagohod/Boss fights were great highlight fights although Volgin and Boss fights were a piece of cake after learning a specific strategy.

MGS3's graphics are outstanding for a PS2 game, I was astonished to see so much cool effects and great looking models on the system. I wish more developers pushed it's limits that far.

I definitely feel that Hideo Kojima has made his best MGS game yet with MGS close behind and MGS2 dead last in the 'Solid' installments. Nicely done story without going stupid or crazy like MGS2....just what everyone wanted.

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Your damn right! :D

Ok so lets get into this kind of stuff.

Are Ocelot and Snake around the same age? How does Ocelot view Big Boss, as a big brother maybe?

Looks like after MGS3 Ocelot remains undercover or does missions elsewhere while Big Boss does his own thing. I haven't played the NES Metal Gears so how does Big Boss view his clone Solid Snake?

What purpose do the Patriots serve throughout the MGS series?

Just started this game about an hour ago. Very impresed so far, especially by the production (outside of Snake's voice. Augh... :yuck: ).

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Originally Posted by Will

Are Ocelot and Snake around the same age? How does Ocelot view Big Boss, as a big brother maybe?

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Not really. Big Boss is at least 20 years older. I believe Big Boss actually served in World War II (don't remember when it was stated in the game), whereas Ocelot was born on D-Day (June 6, 1944).

In case you missed it, Ocelot is The Boss' lost child with The Sorrow.

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Looks like after MGS3 Ocelot remains undercover or does missions elsewhere while Big Boss does his own thing. I haven't played the NES Metal Gears so how does Big Boss view his clone Solid Snake?

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Well in the MSX Metal Gear games, Kojima didn't really planned Snake and Big Boss to be father and son like it was revealed in Metal Gear Solid.

The original Metal Gear barely had any character development as it is and Big Boss' betrayal comes late during the game. Basically, he treats Snake like an idiot rookie, hoping that Snake will screw-up due to his lack of experience, only to be surprised at Snake's success after destroying Metal Gear.

Metal Gear 2 on the other hand, featured a slightly more complex storyline with bigger emphasis on character development. Big Boss is played more like a war monger here much like Liquid trying to convince Snake that without war, they're useless dummies. Other than that, Snake viewed Big Boss as nothing more than a bad dream that refused to go away. In contrast to Grey Fox, who actually viewed Big Boss as a sort of parent and was loyal enough to betray his country and join Zanzibar Land's mercenary force.

Play the older Metal Gear games whenever you have the chance (through emulation or otherwise). You won't regret it.

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What purpose do the Patriots serve throughout the MGS series?

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IIRC, Kojima wanted a new set of villains that had more political power in the series instead of mere terrorists, which is why he introduced the Illuminati-like Patriots in MGS2.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Undaunted

Not really. Big Boss is at least 20 years older. I believe Big Boss actually served in World War II (don't remember when it was stated in the game), whereas Ocelot was born on D-Day (June 6, 1944).

In case you missed it, Ocelot is The Boss' lost child with The Sorrow.

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Yeah I know the whole Boss/The Sorrow deal, I was referring to MGS3 Snake though, not the more recent MGS1 & 2 Solid Snake. The Boss is older than MGS3 Snake but they don't make it clear how old he exactly was. Snake seemed more experienced than Ocelot in MGS3 so I think he may be older or maybe because he trained under The Boss he has better combat skills he seems that way.

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Well in the MSX Metal Gear games, Kojima didn't really planned Snake and Big Boss to be father and son like it was revealed in Metal Gear Solid.

The original Metal Gear barely had any character development as it is and Big Boss' betrayal comes late during the game. Basically, he treats Snake like an idiot rookie, hoping that Snake will screw-up due to his lack of experience, only to be surprised at Snake's success after destroying Metal Gear.

Metal Gear 2 on the other hand, featured a slightly more complex storyline with bigger emphasis on character development. Big Boss is played more like a war monger here much like Liquid trying to convince Snake that without war, they're useless dummies. Other than that, Snake viewed Big Boss as nothing more than a bad dream that refused to go away. In contrast to Grey Fox, who actually viewed Big Boss as a sort of parent and was loyal enough to betray his country and join Zanzibar Land's mercenary force.

Play the older Metal Gear games whenever you have the chance (through emulation or otherwise). You won't regret it.

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Ah thanks for the breakdown on the NES Metal gear games. The Metal Gear Solid games retcon the older stuff but in a way that could makes sense if all the pieces fit logically (barring some stuff in MGS2 that I still can't comprehend).

Kojima made Ocelot a more important character to the MGS games since he stars in each of them and schemes heavily in the backround. I'm can't say I'm fond of that idea as I wish he just starred in MGS3 and 1 and was left out of MGS2 altogether. But...while I think his involvement is too heavy handed in the series, his gradual development in MGS3 to MGS1 is really great to see play out when playing one game after the other, its like looking at the older Revolver Ocelot through more insightful eyes. The nuances of the revolver tricks and showmanship are also apparent after MGS3, back then when I first played MGS1 they were new and cool.

Solid Snake also seems superior to all the others including Big Boss, Solidus and Liquid just looking at the way he handles himself in combat. He uses the CQC techniques or something very similar to them in Twin Snakes, he either inherited these from Boss's genes or learned them on the battlefield since he has more games out which could say he has more experience than Big Boss's grand solo adventure in MGS3.

I empathize and like the MGS3 Snake (or Big Boss) more but I also like that Solid Snake can hold his own better and is more of a badass in the stickier situations. At least he didn't wet his pants in the torture sequence :lol: (Yeah I know the beating Volgin gave to Snake in MGS3 was more brutal but c'mon!).

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IIRC, Kojima wanted a new set of villains that had more political power in the series instead of mere terrorists, which is why he introduced the Illuminati-like Patriots in MGS2.

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Hmm, I see. I'm not a big fan of the Patriots though, they seem like too intangible a threat for me to really care enough about them, all I know is that they are really good manipulators with all the events that have happened in the MGS games.

Other stuff I noticed playing Twin Snakes again is that The Sorrow is alot like Psycho Mantis in the mindgames. Creepy disappearings, psychic powers and all. The Metal Gear program from MGS3 also transfer well into Twin Snakes as you know a big threat is going to arrive and drive the story in Twin Snakes with Hal Emmerich designing the Rex from the plans his predecessors had.

Snake is definitely a bit older than Ocelot, since he refers to him as a pup.

After i beat RE4 I'm gonna play through Twin Snakes, Substance, and then MGS3. Maybe even MGS GBC. With MGS3 being so good, I think its safe to say the MGS series has been better than anything else the past 8 years.

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Originally Posted by Kinopio

With MGS3 being so good, I think its safe to say the MGS series has been better than anything else the past 8 years.

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Fuck no. Resident Evil kicks the shit out of MGS, including RE4 whipping MGS3. And Symphony of the Night came out in the last 8 years, so Castlevania even trumps RE.

Why does Kojima put a pants-pissing scene in every MGS? Urine fetish?

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Resident Evil kicks the shit out of MGS, including RE4 whipping MGS3.

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Very funny. RE isnt even close to being the best of the horror genre let alone 'kicking the shit out of MGS'. From what ive played of RE4 so far, ide take MGS3 over RE4. More variety.