Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater

Just wanted to pop in and say that it's good to hear this game sounds like it is living up to MGS1 so far. Never played 2 beyond the demo. My friend who hated and sold MGS2 after he beat it says he really likes Snake Eater so far, sounds like a good sign to me.

Anyhoo, in a few months I will have a cheap PS2, Gradius V and most likely this (depending on how much I like it when I finally get some to play some Snake Eater this weekend). I also need to get Twin Snakes for GC. I'll never forget playing through MGS1 summer 2002. Excellent stealth action in a simple yet brilliantly executed 2D/3D environment. Loved the mature and well written relationship between Snake and Meryl. Also thought the scenewhere he gives honor in a speech to adying Sniper Wolf was really something. The nature vs nurture themes, cloning and the doggoned coolest mech fight i ever took part in a videogame since I fought that big Voltron thingy in Mischief Makers rocked my socks. Also loved the beautiful and haunting theme song at the end credits with nature scenes of Alaska.

Also, I hadn't read Penny Arcade in awhile. Decided to give it another spin and man, all they do is complain and nit pick and try to sound funny and hip as they whine. Did they like MGS1? I miss the PA of old when Gabe kidnapped Miyamoto to try and force a new Metroid to be made. Also, what is up with the drastic art change, they look like square jawed freaks now. Looks like MGS3 will be loved just as Halo was which PA hated. But they really like 2D shooters like Ika and Souky so I will give 'em a break. Maybe I'm just grumpy too.

Holy shit, you guys weren't lying. That M3 Shotgun is the brutalizer.

I shot once last night and 1 scientist at 3 paces and 2 guards at 7 paces all flew way the hell back into the wall. Totally cool.

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Originally Posted by Kosh_H

I also need to get Twin Snakes for GC.

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This game is awesome! The cinematics are bad ass and you will love it, especially if you loved the original verison.

Speaking of random, someone wanna tell me why Cate Blanchett is running around in the game? as Snake's boss no less. Bizarro. Made me laugh when I saw her.

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Originally Posted by Kosh_H

Just wanted to pop in and say that it's good to hear this game sounds like it is living up to MGS1 so far. Never played 2 beyond the demo. My friend who hated and sold MGS2 after he beat it says he really likes Snake Eater so far, sounds like a good sign to me.

Anyhoo, in a few months I will have a cheap PS2, Gradius V and most likely this (depending on how much I like it when I finally get some to play some Snake Eater this weekend). I also need to get Twin Snakes for GC. I'll never forget playing through MGS1 summer 2002. Excellent stealth action in a simple yet brilliantly executed 2D/3D environment. Loved the mature and well written relationship between Snake and Meryl. Also thought the scenewhere he gives honor in a speech to adying Sniper Wolf was really something. The nature vs nurture themes, cloning and the doggoned coolest mech fight i ever took part in a videogame since I fought that big Voltron thingy in Mischief Makers rocked my socks. Also loved the beautiful and haunting theme song at the end credits with nature scenes of Alaska.

Also, I hadn't read Penny Arcade in awhile. Decided to give it another spin and man, all they do is complain and nit pick and try to sound funny and hip as they whine. Did they like MGS1? I miss the PA of old when Gabe kidnapped Shiggy to try and force a new Metroid to be made. Also, what is up with the drastic art change, they look like square jawed freaks now. Looks like MGS3 will be loved just as Halo was which PA hated. But they really like 2D shooters like Ika and Souky so I will give 'em a break. Maybe I'm just grumpy too.

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Please never call him "Shiggy" again.

Anyway, what's the general feelings on this game. I was really looking forward to it but now I'm hearing totally different reactions from different people/publications.

The secret I was talking about was Snakes Nightmare.

Has anyone done that yet?

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This game is awesome! The cinematics are bad ass and you will love it, especially if you loved the original verison.

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Thanks. Glad to know in your opinion it's worth the purchase even though I played the original.

And yes Tragic, calling Miyamoto shiggy is icky, I edited it. :p

Um. Thanks I guess.




I was just kidding around ya know.

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Originally Posted by Tragic

Anyway, what's the general feelings on this game. I was really looking forward to it but now I'm hearing totally different reactions from different people/publications.

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I would say if you enjoy the MGS games and:
Want cooler weapons.
More of a challenge.
Better graphics.
Less completely shitty story as compared to MGS2.
A few cool new features.

Then this is a buy.

If you hated MGS2 for more than the story, this is not going to be something I would reccomend you buy.

MGS3>MGS>MGS2

Any pointers for defeating The End?

I found the Sniper Rifle, but I've been stuck on him since last night... I don't even come close to detecting him before I'm seen. Been using Sonar, crawling and the map... get close to him, but never actually find him, tips?

Get shot. Run up to him. Shoot him. *smirk*

A good way of keeping on him is to activate your heartbeat sensor, find him, shoot him, then when he starts to run, turn on your motion tracker and stay on him. If he changes areas, repeat.

Be wary that if you go for a tranq win, he will recharge his stamina, which is a bit annoying. It's easier (as is always the case) to just hose him down with an automatic weapon.

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Originally Posted by animegirl20

This game is awesome! The cinematics are bad ass and you will love it, especially if you loved the original verison.

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Completely unnecessary remake. and while Kitamura's styly of cinematic action add style, it didnt fit Metal Gear one bit. Especially Snake doing flips and stuff.

As for Snake Eater, we played some last night, and it is pretty good.

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Originally Posted by Korly

The secret I was talking about was Snakes Nightmare.

Has anyone done that yet?

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Yes.

It's quite a neat mini-game. Very Devil May Cry-ish. Makes me wonder whether it's a demo from an actual Konami game or was it just made specifically for MGS3. You get the sequence when you save your game at the jail cell (after the torture sequence).

I've already gotten through a great portion of the game (already fought all the Cobras, including The Sorrow). It's already alot times better than Sons of Liberty. While still a bit cinematic-oriented, it's nowhere near annoying as it was in MGS2.

Does anyone know where the sniper rifle is located in the Snake Eater mission? I had to beat The End without it and it was rather difficult.

Also, the game has skips a bit during Radio conversations. Anyone else has this problem?

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Originally Posted by MVS

I would say if you enjoy the MGS games and:
Want cooler weapons.
More of a challenge.
Better graphics.
Less completely shitty story as compared to MGS2.
A few cool new features.

Then this is a buy.

If you hated MGS2 for more than the story, this is not going to be something I would reccomend you buy.

MGS3>MGS>MGS2

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Coolo, sounds good. I loved MGS and loved MGS2 gameplay wise. Anything to say towards specific complaints from likes of Penny Arcade and such? Completely unfounded complaints or are they just making too big of a deal out of small existing problems?

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Originally Posted by Tragic

Completely unfounded complaints or are they just making too big of a deal out of small existing problems?

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I don't think saying that MGS never STFUs is an unfounded complaint. The series should learn to cut it a bit shorter and really shut the fuck up once in a while.

I agree that the camera style and overall controls are a bit archaic, to the point where it mars my enjoyment of the game.

Well, I beat the game. I didn't do Snake's Nightmare because I didn't know what it was. I might still have that save, but I might have written over it. I'm not sure. Anyway, this is my goty. I agree with MVS that MGS3>MGS>MGS2. I like the story in this. There's some amazing scenes in the game. The graphics are probably the best I've seen on the PS2, and the cut-scenes are amazing. The ratio of cut-scenes to gameplay seems to even out after the first few hours of play. If you're a fan of MGS, I would say you should definately get this.

Also, I know that you can unlock special camouflage by beating the bosses in a non-lethal way(making their stamina run out). I haven't done this yet, but I have a feeling this is going to be a pain in the ass against some of the bosses.

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Originally Posted by Mzo

I agree that the camera style and overall controls are a bit archaic, to the point where it mars my enjoyment of the game.

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Both are totally competent in MGS3. Neither is in GTA: SA.

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Originally Posted by Tragic

Coolo, sounds good. I loved MGS and loved MGS2 gameplay wise. Anything to say towards specific complaints from likes of Penny Arcade and such? Completely unfounded complaints or are they just making too big of a deal out of small existing problems?

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It can be frustrating, but I'm fairly certain it is that way by design. Even though the camera can be moved a bit, and locked, it forces you to go slow, and sneak. You can plow through it and shoot everything very easily, but if you want to sneak, it's going to take at least double the time.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Undaunted

Also, the game has skips a bit during Radio conversations. Anyone else has this problem?

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Yeah... wtf @ that.

Lame. That's what it is.

I beat up Fear last night. Dude was a pussy.

The only time I've had skipping was during the first codec scene at the start of the second mission

To be honest, I'm really impressed at the ratio of cut scenes to gameplay. I think this can be attributed to the fact that you really have to spend your time to get through an area unscathed, but the areas are huge as well. I would almost go as far as to say the ratio of cut scenes to gameplay is better than the first MGS. The main reason for this is that you dont spend nearly as much time getting random, long winded calls on your codec every few steps.

The story is exeptional so far, and really reminds me of the first Metal Gear (not Solid).

If there is one complaint that I have, its:

They dont really expand on the Cobra members. They have no character development at all. In fact, you dont even see one of them, or have any knowledge of him at all until he appears and thats The Fury. But that was one of the coolest boss battles of the series so far. Great atmosphere, and I thought he was the coolest looking Cobra I've encountered.

When you do beat them, they dont even fill you in on what they are all about, they just yell alot, then blow up, and you move on

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They dont really expand on the Cobra members. They have no character development at all. In fact, you dont even see one of them, or have any knowledge of him at all until he appears and thats The Fury. But that was one of the coolest boss battles of the series so far. Great atmosphere, and I thought he was the coolest looking Cobra I've encountered.

When you do beat them, they dont even fill you in on what they are all about, they just yell alot, then blow up, and you move on

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I'm actually somewhat glad the Cobra members don't have long, melodramatic monologues where you want to break out a violin. It was fine in MGS, but by MGS2 it started to get cheezy having to hear everyone's sob story.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Undaunted

Also, the game has skips a bit during Radio conversations. Anyone else has this problem?

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I have been having this problem as well. I thought it was my shitty PS2. I have played this game for about 3 hours and all I have to say is....this game is fucking hard! If you get caught you might as well start over because your ass is toast. Eating random stuff is fun.

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Originally Posted by Mezz

The only time I've had skipping was during the first codec scene at the start of the second mission

To be honest, I'm really impressed at the ratio of cut scenes to gameplay. I think this can be attributed to the fact that you really have to spend your time to get through an area unscathed, but the areas are huge as well. I would almost go as far as to say the ratio of cut scenes to gameplay is better than the first MGS. The main reason for this is that you dont spend nearly as much time getting random, long winded calls on your codec every few steps.

The story is exeptional so far, and really reminds me of the first Metal Gear (not Solid).

If there is one complaint that I have, its:

They dont really expand on the Cobra members. They have no character development at all. In fact, you dont even see one of them, or have any knowledge of him at all until he appears and thats The Fury. But that was one of the coolest boss battles of the series so far. Great atmosphere, and I thought he was the coolest looking Cobra I've encountered.

When you do beat them, they dont even fill you in on what they are all about, they just yell alot, then blow up, and you move on

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Yeah, I agree. The most annoying about MGS2 weren't not just the CODEC sequences, but rather the fact that most of them were unneccesary. I always cringe whenever some character suggested to switch to "nano-communications". It was nothing than an attempt for the animators to save time and budget. Thankfully, they avoided that here and featured some actual cut-scenes. The game also didn't feel like a series of cut-scenes broken up between gameplay segments like MGS2 did.

Also, I agree with the fact that most of the Cobras were under-developed as far as the actual game is concerned. You learn more about them from the leaked document and the official website than you do in the game itself. I also thought it was rather cheap in Konami's part that they included four or pages dedicated to the characters, but they leave them without any descriptions. Still, they were alot cooler than the Army of Lovers-rejects that were Dead Cell.

I've already finished the game. The storyline was awesome. Alot better than MGS2. Not once did I had the urge to skip any cut-scene like I did in MGS2. Still, one thing that bothered is how Ocelot has to be the source of grief for everyone. First, he's the only FOXHOUND member in MGS1 to survive and he's responsible for Meryl's death if you go with the gay ending. Then in MGS2, he kills Ames and the fucking President, ends up hijacking Ray twice and triple-crosses everyone in the game. And now, we find out that the brat is responsible for taking out Big Boss' eye (even if it's just by accident). Still, it only makes losing his hand to Fox and having Liquid's a bit more fitting.

Also, when was it stated in the game that Ocelot is the Boss' child with The Sorrow? I know it's in the leaked document and it's obvious by the resemblance between the two, but I never heard mentioned in the game. Did I missed something

I got it today, maybe someone can help me with something. I can't seem to do a CQC kill, at all. I just kind of get to the guys and slash them with a knife a lot. Is there something special I need to do? Do they only open up after a certain point in the game? Any help would be appreciated.

Buttons are analog. You are the O in too far, and killing. Push it in a little to start the QCC, then do another move.

I'll give it a try.

Has anyone ripped the sound data yet? I want that soundtrack bad and as it stands I'll have to wait till December just to import it. Konami needs to get on the fucking ball and package ALL their game soundtracks with the game a la Silent Hill.

How would one rip said sound data? PM.

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Any pointers for defeating The End?

I found the Sniper Rifle, but I've been stuck on him since last night... I don't even come close to detecting him before I'm seen. Been using Sonar, crawling and the map... get close to him, but never actually find him, tips?

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Originally Posted by EGM

Maybe the thermal goggles could come in handy, somehow...

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I don't have any experience with that first hand, but it makes sense.

On The End.

Thermal goggles track his footsteps.

Ok, I fought The End and I can say this, it's about 95% luck if you find him. Here is my fight:

Wandered around for about half an hour with no results other than being shot at, suddenly while crawling through a log my random use of the thermo goggles turned up footsteps heading up a hill, I pulled out my sniper rifle and follwed them up, then turned off the goggles and sure enough there he was, I got in two shots, bringing him down to 2/3 health before he ran off. Wandered around for another 20-30 minutes before somehow turning up right next to him, literally. He hit me and shot me but I chased after him and somehow in the confusion ended up no less than three feet right behind him as he surveyed the distance for me. I busted out the shotgun and unloaded on him. After he stood up I was blinded by a grenade, but I soon chased after the easily visible muddy footprints on the ground only to find him catching his breath on the path between areas, I pulled out the sniper rifle, and one shot later the battle was over.

It's funny, it took me over an hour to hit him 4 times, when I did find him it was luck, yet it was one of the best boss fights I've ever participated in.

It's not luck.

I'm fighting him now, and I use the term loosely, this is what has transpired in the past 90 mins.

I crawl forward and he spots me, hits me and puts a dart in me. I Cure it, then back out and laydown. I'm always at 90% Camo, and I change it.

I sneak way the fuck around the left side, because I know he hit me from mid-high, and, it takes 10 mins. I get there, using thermals constantly, I see him, and aim. It's a deer...

I kill the deer, and lo and behold, there is gramps, napping in the bushes. I creep up behind him, thinking, this is easy. I level the XM, change to Full Auto, zoom in and put it on his head. I squeeze of a clip, hitting him down to 60%, then he runs off. Too fast, I can't find him.

I creep again, towards where he is, and, I find him again. Okay, fuckface, now we play different. I have 12 Claymores, so, I crawl around grandpa, and have 10 of them down, all facing him. My plan is to attack from the other side, forcing him into at least 2 of them, then finish him off.

I'm putting #11 down, overkill--I know, and the fucker wakes up. I hope up, he drops a nade and starts to run off. I hit him with the M3 Shotty, and he takes damage, but, again, is too fast.

I'm creeping towards where he might be, and, now, I check the map and see that there are a finite about of sniping spots (denoted via a O ), and I drop a claymore in each (after picking them up). I continue up the hill, and I hear gramps sacked out again. By this time, he's down to like 20% stamina. I spot him with the thermals, break out the Dragonuv, and just as I'm about to cap his old skull, he wakes up again, I shoot, but miss with a wild shot as I'm zoomed in and he moved to fast.

I hear the old fucker chating the Hippie shit, hugging trees and getting back life.

I give chase again, and, as of now, I'm going to cap that old fucking bastard in the head if it takes all fucking night until work.

I feel like Vascilly Zeitsef.

He is going the fuck down.

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I feel like Vascilly Zeitsef.

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More like David Attenborough with claymores.

The rest.

I get back to the stalk, but, can't find him. I can hear the fucker snoring, but it's no go. He must be on a hill. I try to backtrack, and look constantly, to no avail. I hear something (using headphones) then turn around just in time to see him shooting me in the ass. I break out the Shotty, but the fucker runs off, yet again.

I give chase, and run to where I think he's at, but, due to the grenade, I'm not certain. I panic, and I'm running around trying to draw fire to get a bead on him, but, he just keeps hitting me. 3x he hits me, and I grab dirt and Cure.

I see him now, in a bush, so I level the SVD to hit him, he runs off. I can hear him panting, and he's losing it. I see Thermal footprints leading towards the hill, and spot him again. He's out of breath. I shoot.

and miss, he flees. I follow the steps again, and creep up on him. I SVD him in the head from about 5 feet behind him, he's on a small cliff, then I hit him with the Shotty, and it literally blows his old ass off the cliff, down 5 feet, then he runs off again.

I've got him now, and follow the new Thermal prints. I find him on another small cliff. This time, he burns. I wait for him to sleep and ready the WP Grenade. I stand up, and make the slightest noise, he turns around. I hit him with the shotty again, he runs off.

I catch up to him again, 10 mins later. He's asleep, I'm crawling behind him, and a bird flies out of the grass I'm in. He wakes up, but doesn't see me lying 5 feet behind him. He's talking to himself "This is The End"...over and over again.

I hit him with the WP Grenade, he lights up. I bust out the XM and dump a clip into his flaming ass, he dies.

The End, indeed.

Most satisfying boss battle of recent memory.

I still say there is great luck in finding him before he finds you, if only becuase there is a 1 in 3 chance you are even quietly sneeking around the right area to begin with. Both times I spent about half an hour looking around, it's because most of it was in the wrong area as he either A: had already shot me and left to another one or B: wasn't there to begin with and I was wasting my time.

Still an amazing battle that really allowed me to use all my little tracking gadets and my favorite weapon of all time, the sniper rifle.

...so, does anyone else hate this game as much as I do?

Nope.

This sounds awesome. Cant wait to get further into the game.

We are not that far, pretty much after the part when Ocelot had a close contact with the bike, but the game rocks. Fight against Ocelot's men was fun, and it was cool to use different and creative ways on killing them. Or making them kill each other in the process.

And cinemas are just plain awesome. The quality and models are amazing for PS2, and action in the cut scenes, has been put into overdrive, probably after Kojima team looked on some things that Kitamura did with Twin Snakes. But a good thing that action is not over the top as it was in the TS, which is a good thing.

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Originally Posted by Opaque

Nope.

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Too bad...misery loves company.

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Originally Posted by Zerodash

...so, does anyone else hate this game as much as I do?

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Why? Its a great improvement in everything over MGS2, and on the level of MGS1 (and in some parts even better than original).

So what to hate?

I'm going to re-load The End again tonight and kick Gramps ass one more time.

Protip for fighting The End:

He shows up as a red circle on the map after he shoots at you in an area. As long as you don't get too close to him and scare him away, he will stay where he's at. The circle still shows up allowing you to sneak up behind him using the map. I don't think he ever moves unless you get too close to him and scare him away. So basically, all you have to do is run around until he shoots at you, then use the map to sneak up behind him.

Edit: I think the boss battles in this game are awesome.

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Originally Posted by Zerodash

...so, does anyone else hate this game as much as I do?

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Given that it's as much fun as MGS2 in the gameplay department, and as cool or cooler than MGS1 in the ridiculous but not retarded storyline? No, not really.

I'm still in shock that it never went south on my storywise. It even had great links to Metal Gear (1), and the later games.

Playing the game was a lot like Thief 3 for me. After Deus Ex 2, I kept waiting for Thief 3 to suck, but it never happened. Same story here, kept waiting for the story to go completely insane, and before I knew it, I was finished. Good stuff. Long and wordy and talky, but hey, its MGS.

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Originally Posted by Despair

So what to hate?

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I'm not happy with the AI- it feels inconsistient. Sometimes, they are blind as bats, and other times they have god-like ability to detect you.

I also don't like the grainy graphics, the story, overabundance of cinematics, etc.

Just ain't my cup 'O tea...glad to hear that everyone else is enjoying it.

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I also don't like the grainy graphics

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:wtf:

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Surprised me too. I mean, its like best on PS2 and all that.

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Originally Posted by Victrix

Given that it's as much fun as MGS2 in the gameplay department, and as cool or cooler than MGS1 in the ridiculous but not retarded storyline? No, not really.

I'm still in shock that it never went south on my storywise. It even had great links to Metal Gear (1), and the later games.

Playing the game was a lot like Thief 3 for me. After Deus Ex 2, I kept waiting for Thief 3 to suck, but it never happened. Same story here, kept waiting for the story to go completely insane, and before I knew it, I was finished. Good stuff. Long and wordy and talky, but hey, its MGS.

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This sold me.

Now I just need to find the money and the time =/

The End was a kick ass idea for a boss battle. It took a bit to figure out what to do, but when I finally killed him, boy did it feel good. More protips on fighting The End:


1. Use the AP sensor to let you know if you're near him. It will beep.
2. Smoke grenades will keep you hidden from him; stun grenades will temporarily blind him.
3. Once he shoots at you, check the map for a red circle, which is him.
4. If you have the sniper rifle, as soon as he shoots at you, take cover and look for him with the scope from the direction he shot. You should be able to pick him off.
5. Don't let this battle last too long or you're liable to a)allow him to get his health and stamina back, or b) wind up in jail.

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6. If you wear the animal print camo, your hands won't shake when trying to shoot, which is obviously helpful when using the sniper rifle.
7. If he's running straight away from you, you should have no trouble stopping and hitting him twice in the back with the shotgun for pretty substantial damage.
8. If you're sniping him while he's in a sniping spot, he doesn't leave for a long time while you're trying to pop his head.

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Originally Posted by Victrix

Given that it's as much fun as MGS2 in the gameplay department, and as cool or cooler than MGS1 in the ridiculous but not retarded storyline? No, not really.

I'm still in shock that it never went south on my storywise. It even had great links to Metal Gear (1), and the later games.

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I'm sold on it...I have to put it off a little bit as there are too many games out now for me to play. I was putting it off because I thought the story would be as crappy as the second MG :sweat:

I hated the MGS2 plot. I rate it worst game story ever.

This is not MGS2, thankfully, and much, much better storywise.

After a torture sequence...

make sure you use R1 when promted, The Sorrow appears behind The Boss holding a sign that says 144.75 in one of them, and in another he holds a timer.

There is a torture sequence?

Please, tell me more. I would like to know about it before I get there.

PS - THAT WAS SARCASM

MVS:

It's all cutscene, no participation a la MGS. Be sure to consider hitting R1 when prompted.

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There is a torture sequence?

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Yeah, there's a lot. Based on how far you are in the game you've already seen a few.

There's also gun fights, trees and animals to kill. Did I spoil more for you?

The best strategy I heard to beat the End was to just run around in the open until he fires, then he'll stay in his spot unless he sees you get too close, then go to another area, then come out behind him and fuck him up while wearing the thermal goggles. He never sees you, fight takes about 10 minutes total.

Anyway; currently being annoyed by The Sorrow. What the hell am I suppose to do after I get to the end and he says it's time for me to wake up? I've tried everything, Codecs, shooting him, just standing there... if I touch him, I die instantly, if I try to back up, the screen won't let me, and if I stand there nothing happens... what's the solution?

Augh, found the solution... that was just... stupid...

I was disappointed with the game. It's good but not as good as I expected.

Just finished it.

I think the story was amazing. Not good for a MGS game, that wouldn't take much, but good for being a story, period. Especially how it all ties in at the end.


Ending Spoiler...

and holy shit, Ocelot was an American and a CIA agent no less? Crazy shit, crazy crazy shit.

Yeah, that was pretty awesome. I'm almost tempted to replay MGS2 and get MGS for the GC now, just for the story. I might even make the insane effort to figure out what the fuck is/was/will be going on in MGS2.

So does the story tie into MGS 2 at all?

I've only ever played MGS, and MGS 2 very briefly, but I don't really want to go forward in 2 because I've heard it's really not all that great.

So basacially can I start MGS 3 and still fully enjoy the story?

Sure can. It stands on it's own. If you enjoyed MGS, I'd be very surprised if you didn't like this.

edit: Yes, it does tie into MGS2, though only tangentally. You might not appreciate the making-fun-of-Raiden stuff as much if you don't hate him as much as most people, but its fairly understated in any case (a thunderbolt on a pair of underwear won't mean much to you...). It does either clarify, or attempt to clarify one point that I'm sure some people were wondering about (those that didn't fall asleep during the MGS2 ending that is)

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Ending Spoiler...

and holy shit, Ocelot was an American and a CIA agent no less? Crazy shit, crazy crazy shit.

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Yeah, I got that, but if Ocelot was a CIA agent, why did he come after Snake and try to kill him at the end?

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Originally Posted by Victrix

Sure can. It stands on it's own. If you enjoyed MGS, I'd be very surprised if you didn't like this.

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So is whoever the guy you're playing as now just as badass as Solid Snake?

Moreso I'd say. Particularly near the end of the game. And it IS Snake! Muhahahaha.

minor Actually, I think he's even cooler than Snake

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Yeah, I got that, but if Ocelot was a CIA agent, why did he come after Snake and try to kill him at the end?

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He was never trying to kill him. That bullet he kept trying to use was a blank, remember? Even in the end, if he had won the duel and pulled the trigger nothing would have happened to Snake. If anything the reason he always went after Snake was so he could make sure Snake survived. Trixxy hobbitses, yes.

All I've gotta say about Ocelot is 'mrrrrrrrow'

wtf mate

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and holy shit, Ocelot was an American and a CIA agent no less? Crazy shit, crazy crazy shit.

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Actually...

Ocelot is the lost love child of The Boss and The Sorrow, who was abducted by the Philosophers when he was born (shades of Olga and her kid). It's never directly mentioned in the game AFAIK, but when you talk to Eva early in the game, she mentions that Ocelot's mother had a snake-shaped wound when she was giving birth, which is exactly what The Boss will show you when fight her.

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Actually...

Ocelot is the lost love child of The Boss and The Sorrow, who was abducted by the Philosophers when he was born (shades of Olga and her kid). It's never directly mentioned in the game AFAIK, but when you talk to Eva early in the game, she mentions that Ocelot's mother had a snake-shaped wound when she was giving birth, which is exactly what The Boss will show you when fight her.

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Well now, I don't know exactly why you put "actually" since you didn't change anything we said, only added to it, but yeah that all checks out and leaves me with just one thing to say...












JESUS CHRIST ON A CRACKER WHERE DO THEY COME UP WITH THIS SHIT???

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JESUS CHRIST ON A CRACKER WHERE DO THEY COME UP WITH THIS SHIT???

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Nice effect.

Just beat it. I'm totally owned. Hands down, videogame story of the year. I feel like if this was a movie, it would definitely be an Oscar contender, the story was CRISP baby! CRISP!

This or PoP2... god. damn.

Apparantly it may be possible to skip the battle with The End, from Gamefaqs:

After caves and after the river with the guards on the hovercrafts, enter the next area and a cutscene will begin. As soon as the cutscene ends pull out your SVD sniper rifle and aim it at The End in his wheelchair. Before he gets taken away, shoot the guard in the head, then shoot The End in the head a few times. If done corectly The End will say something and explode. Later in the game when you get to the jungle where the fight was supposed to be, you wont have to fight him and the jungle will be filled with guards from the Ocelot unit

Now I killed the guard in my game and the end rode off before I even tried to shoot him, but I think it could be possible. Anyone have a save around there and want to give it a try? I'm interested in finding out if this really works.

If that is actually possible, that is amazingly cool

edit: By the by, I was so entertained by this, I almost wish he'd do a Metal Gear remake. It'd be freaking awesome to see Dialogue with Big Boss. I'm not much of a fan of remakes, and MGS2 *really* killed my interest in the series, but this game reminded me why I loved MGS when it came out. I may have to dig up the GC Twin Snakes and do an MGS-MGS2-MGS3 run at some point, possibly with faqs in hand to soak up all the details.

Yeah. Good stuff.

Opaque, what you wanted to know about ... it is possible, that's actually what I did the first time, I didn't think they'd allow it, but it worked. They thought of almost everything.

Believe it or not, there's a useful story thread on gamefaqs

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gen...topic=14880113

Massive spoilers obviously, but if you want the whole mgs plot laid out, there you go

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Opaque, what you wanted to know about ... it is possible, that's actually what I did the first time, I didn't think they'd allow it, but it worked. They thought of almost everything.

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Awesome, after I killed the guard I didn't even try to shoot The End becuase in the back of my mind I just thought it would be a waste of ammo. I'm glad to hear someone did it though, I'm defenetaly starting a second play through of this tomorrow. That's something I have only done with two other "long" games ever.

Idle thought. minor mgs3/mgs1 side character spoiler I was thinking Sigint wasn't very fleshed out - but the ending scroll tells you where he goes. If his age isn't far off, he might be the DARPA Chief Donald Anderson in MGS1

MGS2's script was REALLY pretentious, with the whole memetic Patroits thing. Philosophy on cultural evolution is no place for a game where you play as an emo faggotchan girly man.... but shit... you guys act as if it was Baby's Day Out 3 or something.

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Believe it or not, there's a useful story thread on gamefaqs

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gen...topic=14880113

Massive spoilers obviously, but if you want the whole mgs plot laid out, there you go

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that info is all tricky though. They talk a lot about how Ocelot wasn't working for the Patriots for whatever reason, but because of MGS3 we know that he works for the CIA and they answer to the Philosophers who become the Patriots. Odds are he was working for the Patriots during all of MGS and MGS2. If anything, Solidus could be one of the Patriots.

I found this searching around, it's kind of interesting...

We now know about the wise-man committee, aka philosophers, aka patriots. They were behind the scenes of the whole series of Metal Gear Solid when it began. The philosophers abducts children and train them for their own use. This applies to the Boss's baby, Olga's baby, and Raiden. That explains the whole brainwashing virtual training Raiden went through. Also at the end of MGS2, one of the hints we get of the organization behind the scene is the question : "what are the patriots?" and "La-le-lu-li-lo" which only Major Zero and the Big Boss knows the line. Thats a hint. In the time line at the end of the game, they showed that the Philosophers changed their name to Patriots. Think about the significance of the name Patriots. Where else did we hear this? After the boss's favorite weapon which only Big Boss knows about. Also her gravestone said "A true 'Patriot'". I dont think it is a mere coincidence. I suspect Big Boss in memory of the Boss, will later on battle the Philosophers committee and take it over. The end result is renaming it to the Patriots. The special unit Fox is dismantled (the timeline of events) and later Big Boss rebuilds a new inflitration organization called Fox Hound. However we know that he was also in command of a group called Outer Heaven. My guess is he had control of many organizations to unify the world following the will of Boss. As for the cloning of the Big Boss, I dont believe it was under his idea. The ending credits suggested that the top officials within the CIA wanted to create more soldiers who can inflitrate and perform stealth missions. I believe this sets up for "Les Terible Enfants", the segement which creates Liquid Snake, Solid Snake, and Solidus. If perhaps the Big Boss did have control of the Patriots, it would explain why Fox Hound had such unusual members with powers. Similar to the development of the Cobra unit, it requires money to create such individuals. Thus I surmise that Big Boss had the philosopher's legacy. He also had the resources to raise an army in Outer Heaven as well as develop a metal gear. Another connection which allows him to gain such access to the Philosophers is his relationship with Ocelot. In MGS2 Ocelot worked for Solidus and said he was the most balanced person to run the world. That suggests he was a perfect clone of Big Boss. This means at some point Ocelot wanted to follow Solidus due to his loyalty to none other than Big Boss. Ocelot had the philosopher's legacy.

A lot of that checks out and makes sense. At this point, I think if MGS4 took place after 3 but before 1 it could answer more questions than if it took place after 2.

Picked this up yesterday and played for a few hours. Playing in open areas is definitely a nice change from the enclosed areas on MGS and MGS2. Fighting Ocelot's crew for the first time was so much fun, like playing paintball or something. Crawling under the building and shooting the guys in the legs, or picking off the guy on the roof. I haven't had this much fun with a game in awhile.

Well, that game fucking rocked. That is all.

I need some help. How do I give food to somebody??? Its really pissing me off since I think I'm almost done with the game.

Stand right next to them then enter the food menu.

You can only do it with EVA.

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Stand right next to them then enter the food menu.

You can only do it with EVA.

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Food menu as in pushing start or equipping the food with R2?

Stand next to EVA, go to the food menu from the Survival Viewer, pick a food, and then where it normally says "Eat" and "Dispose" it will now say "Snake", "EVA", and "Dispose." I assume the rest you can figure out on your own.

Start Menu.

Ok, now whats a easy way to beat the bitch at the end?

just go nuts on her with your heaviest guns with the most ammo, than when she starts to run up to you get a CQC move on her before she does on you. You can throw her to the ground and shoot her a few more times, not to mention she wont break your gun. It's actually really easy and very possible to go through the fight without getting hurt.

I just put on white camo, and the zombie face paint, sat in the flowers with my thermals on and sniped the hell out of her.

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just go nuts on her with your heaviest guns with the most ammo, than when she starts to run up to you get a CQC move on her before she does on you. You can throw her to the ground and shoot her a few more times, not to mention she wont break your gun. It's actually really easy and very possible to go through the fight without getting hurt.

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Wow, I suck the balls at this game.

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I just put on white camo, and the zombie face paint, sat in the flowers with my thermals on and sniped the hell out of her.

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That even sounds better :)

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I just put on white camo, and the zombie face paint, sat in the flowers with my thermals on and sniped the hell out of her.

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That's hilarious.

I never found the white camo or zombie face paint. I'll have to make sure I do it on my second play through.

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Wow, I suck the balls at this game.

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Meh, with practice it becomes fairly easy to do. It took me about half the battle to get the timing down, but for the second half, she couldn't touch me.

Anyone else discovered the three "white snakes" (Solidus, Liquid and Solid) during the battle with the Boss? Do they have any true purpose in the game or are they just an easter egg?

No kidding? I've only seen the one that slithers out of the boss.

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No kidding? I've only seen the one that slithers out of the boss.

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They're a bit difficult to get without The Boss handing out your ass. You can usually find them near fallen trunks and capture them.

Yeah, I didn't think to capture all three, I wonder if it triggers anything. I might have a save near there.

Also, I'm a whore. I picked up Twin Snakes GC. Playing it on that pad scares me a bit, but MGS3 has made me love the series again, Hideous Kojima's missteps with MGS2 notwithstanding. In fact, some of the MGS3 stuff *almost* makes stuff in MGS2 make sense.

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just go nuts on her with your heaviest guns with the most ammo

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How did you get that to work since she blocks your gunshots when she sees you?

I'm on The Sorrow right now.

Let's just say I've got many, many, many, many, many, many new friends in the afterlife.

You too? I think next time around I'll go for the slim to none kill route.