PSP Success and Battery Life Questioned Again

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Originally Posted by GameSpot

The PSP will also have to solve some technical challenges, most notably concerns about battery life. Sony estimates that a fully charged PSP battery will be good for four to six hours of game playing.

But Sony Computer Entertainment President Ken Kutaragi acknowledged in a Japanese press interview last month that those estimates were for playing a simple puzzle or card game with the screen dimmed, speakers turned off and wireless connectivity disabled. Turn on all the bells and whistles and load up a graphically complex racing game, and the battery will drain faster. Nintendo's market-leading Game Boy Advance SP, by contrast, runs for more than 10 hours between charges.

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Balls am itchy.

I have purchased 4000 AA batteries just in case.

Will it be the kind of battery you can take out with ease? Maybe a third-party company will make some kind of super-dooper battery for it in the near-future.

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Originally Posted by toxic

I have purchased 4000 AA batteries just in case.

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It runs on a proprietary rechargeable, so good luck with that.

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Originally Posted by Swift

Will it be the kind of battery you can take out with ease? Maybe a third-party company will make some kind of super-dooper battery for it in the near-future.

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From what I have seen, it can be removed with a screw driver, so this is somewhat possible.

So what's the big deal?

4-6 hours is alot, either outside or inside.

You play for a few hours, then you charge it, because you have a life and have other things to do than have a marathon gaming session on the PSP.

That's one thing I didn't like about the SP - you had to unscrew the battery case to take out the battery. There's really no reason to take it out, but I found myself doing it often for some reason...

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Originally Posted by Roufuss

So what's the big deal?

4-6 hours is alot, either outside or inside.

You play for a few hours, then you charge it, because you have a life and have other things to do than have a marathon gaming session on the PSP.

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Read it again. 4-6 hours is if you play a puzzle game with the sound off and the screen dimmed.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

Read it again. 4-6 hours is if you play a puzzle game with the sound off and the screen dimmed.

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Nice.

Guess I was being a bit too optimistic, there.

Sad thing is it doesn't really matter. This thing will sell as many copies as Sony can make, which means about half a dozen nationwide.

Cheap shot, I admit. I'm just a bit tired of half-assed product launches like the DS had and the PSP will have.

James

So can it play all of Advent Children in one sitting or not?

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Originally Posted by Gamespot

The Sony representative said the company was confident the PSP's battery would be sufficient for most owners, but spare battery packs will be available.

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I wonder if we'll get huge external battery packs like the Game Gear had.

Movies 4-5 hours, music 9 hours(better mp3 playback than ipod?)

//Start:
at 8:30, he left home for school with the psp (battery fully recharged during the night before) and listened to mp3 all the way untill he arrived at school at around 9:30. he then checked the battery in the menu: it said "91%. estimated remaining mp3 playback time: 9 hours."

he then watch movie from memory stick for around 40 mins in his class and then checked the battery again: "80%, estimated remaining movie playback time 4 hours". he said he paused the movie and checked the battery several times during that 40 mins (he did that too during the 1h of mp3 playback) and based on his observation, playing movies consuming the battery at least twice as fast as playing mp3.

he then showed off his new psp among his classmates. everyone awed and cam.

he listened to mp3 during his 1-hour home trip again. he watched movie for around 10 mins during that time. after he arrived home, he checked the battery again: 73%.

he said the mp3s sound much better on his psp than on his ipod.
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I ask this,

since when has faulty hardware every hurt Sony's sales? Look at all those beyond fragile PSOne's and Two's guys.

Thing is still gonna sell bucketloads, only chance you got really is to hope for once, that word of mouth works against Sony.

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Originally Posted by youandwhosearmy

I ask this,

since when has faulty hardware every hurt Sony's sales? Look at all those beyond fragile PSOne's and Two's guys.

Thing is still gonna sell bucketloads, only chance you got really is to hope for once, that word of mouth works against Sony.

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They actually have a two-fold problem though. First, they won't be able to produce enough units to satisfy the launch rush. Second, if the people who can't get one day one hear about terrible battery life from the people who get it at launch, the further shipments may not sell anywhere near expectations.

I agree that it will likely sell well, but this isn't like Sega beating the SNES with the Genesis. The Nintendo portable empire is seemingly immune to attack.

And even if you DO want to play a puzzle game with the lights down, the sound off, single player, 4-6 hours is still ridiculous. If you're away from an outlet for a long time for whatever reason (long plane trips being the most obvious example I can think of), you're basically fucked.

God forbid anyone decides to release an RPG, a GTA style game, or anything else that encourages play for more than half an hour at a time.

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Originally Posted by youandwhosearmy

since when has faulty hardware every hurt Sony's sales? Look at all those beyond fragile PSOne's and Two's guys.

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Since they released expensive PDAs that could do everything but only lasted 2 hours on a charge and wound up flopping.

With a PSOne or PS2, it either works or it doesn't. It's not an ongoing problem that never goes away and is the same for every user... if the machine stops reading discs, you're fucked, but if it doesn't then you're fine.

This affects every single person who buys it, and it's a constant problem. It's not something that can be fixed by exchanging the product, and it's not a problem that will only appear once in a while... if you buy a PSP, that PSP is going to have this battery life, period.

I'd compare it to every single PS2 ever made being guarenteed a DDE every four to six hours.

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Originally Posted by sethsez

And even if you DO want to play a puzzle game with the lights down, the sound off, single player, 4-6 hours is still ridiculous. If you're away from an outlet for a long time for whatever reason (long plane trips being the most obvious example I can think of), you're basically fucked.

God forbid anyone decides to release an RPG, a GTA style game, or anything else that encourages play for more than half an hour at a time.

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Amen to that.

Sony really needs to pull something out of a hat, but I suppose people will buy it anyway. I know I am.

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Originally Posted by sethsez

God forbid anyone decides to release an RPG, a GTA style game, or anything else that encourages play for more than half an hour at a time.
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Well all of the RPG's shown thus far are all 2d, so they should last close to that 4-6 hours Sony claim for the puzzle games.

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Originally Posted by Swift

Sony really needs to pull something out of a hat, but I suppose people will buy it anyway. I know I am.

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Actually they are implying that they are going to make a new revision of the psp with a 14 hour life sometime in the future

http://www.computerandvideogames.com...(que)id=111282

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=5251

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

They actually have a two-fold problem though. First, they won't be able to produce enough units to satisfy the launch rush. Second, if the people who can't get one day one hear about terrible battery life from the people who get it at launch, the further shipments may not sell anywhere near expectations.

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Oh man dont' get me wrong I'm so on your side with this. I hate Sony, as I worked at a Toys 'r' Us during the great memory card drought of 2002, and could not believe that we had oggles of PS2's on the shelves and no memory cards.

Right now, no one can find a PS2. Sony does that holding back shit on purpose every holiday season. Its disgusting, and corporate bullshit as we are in the what? Fifth year of the console and they are still finding excuses to have shortages. Please.

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I agree that it will likely sell well, but this isn't like Sega beating the SNES with the Genesis. The Nintendo portable empire is seemingly immune to attack.

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I agree.

I just don't like the idea of another piece of faulty Sony Hardware running rampant and being the must own thing of the millenia. Sony sucks at stablity, and I just hope for once, it bites them in their fat, corporate, ass.

Without sound or a backlight.

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Originally Posted by sethsez

Since they released expensive PDAs that could do everything but only lasted 2 hours on a charge and wound up flopping.

With a PSOne or PS2, it either works or it doesn't. It's not an ongoing problem that never goes away and is the same for every user... if the machine stops reading discs, you're fucked, but if it doesn't then you're fine.

This affects every single person who buys it, and it's a constant problem. It's not something that can be fixed by exchanging the product, and it's not a problem that will only appear once in a while... if you buy a PSP, that PSP is going to have this battery life, period.

I'd compare it to every single PS2 ever made being guarenteed a DDE every four to six hours.

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I'd completely agree with your message here however, and I think there was a thread for this, how many Playstation products have you owned?

I know people who are literally on their third PS2. They keep buying em every year or two. They don't boycott or give up, they put up with it. Thats my issue with it. I've dropped my Xbox on concrete and its still the same one I bought four years ago. Same thing with my Gamecube. Take em with me everywhere.

PS2's are built like shit, and the consumers are treated like shit (look to the post about the Memory card and hardware shortages that happen every year) and honestly, it never bothered anyone. The PSP has more inherent design and hardware problems and I'd like to believe its going to bother someone, but I really don't think it will matter as much as we'd like it to.

But like I said, people buy PS2s over and over because they think it's a problem with the PS2 they go, not a problem with "the PS2." At least, not to the degree that it happens to every single one.

This is a more fundamental problem that rears its head from the second you open the box and never goes away. Sony left the PDA market because they had a similar issue there and people refused to buy their products because of it.

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Originally Posted by Damian79

Actually they are implying that they are going to make a new revision of the psp with a 14 hour life sometime in the future

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Excellent. I'll try to give a shit between now and hen this new version is released.

Well I'm on that side of the fence, I just don't think it will matter as much. Because the games will look pretty, be for adults, and the name playstation will be on it, then people will buy it.

The second a GTA is announced for that thing, it will sell buy the truckload.

If it doesn't, I'll be happy the the Playstation public didn't repeat past mistakes.

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Originally Posted by youandwhosearmy

Playstation public

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Wow. That's an ugly term. ;)

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Well I'm on that side of the fence, I just don't think it will matter as much. Because the games will look pretty, be for adults, and the name playstation will be on it, then people will buy it.

The second a GTA is announced for that thing, it will sell buy the truckload.

If it doesn't, I'll be happy the the Playstation public didn't repeat past mistakes.

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It's true, the majority of the public are not technophiles. To the contrary, many times I see an acquaintance's handheld and it's either scratched to shit, sticky from drinking or eating and playing at the same time, or otherwise dented or mis-handled.

I'm always hearing this anecdotal evidence about how people are having to buy several Sony systems and how they're put together with duct tape and a prayer, why not offer some concrete evidence? There must be numbers somewhere showing the number of returns and whatnot. Frankly it just strikes me a sligh fanboyism which is sad when you consider this is probobally the most mature of all gaming forums.

"Mature gaming forum" :doubt:

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I'm always hearing this anecdotal evidence about how people are having to buy several Sony systems and how they're put together with duct tape and a prayer, why not offer some concrete evidence? There must be numbers somewhere showing the number of returns and whatnot. Frankly it just strikes me a sligh fanboyism which is sad when you consider this is probobally the most mature of all gaming forums.

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My brother buys a Nissan. It breaks down all the time.

My mother buys a Nissan. It breaks down all the time.

My father buys a Nissan. It breaks down all the time.

Thus, I'm not going to buy a car from Nissan. This isn't a scientific experiment, and anecdotal evidence is fine for what it is.

Mature. Hah!

Maybe your family fills their gas tanks up with chocolate pudding, maybe you're just making stuff up because you have some irrational hatred towards Sony. With the number of retailers out there, many of whom keep records of returns and whatnot, you'd think someone would be able to prove that Sony hardware is complete junk. If we're going on anecdotal evidence I can say that none of Sony's hardware ever fails because all my stuff works perfectly, but that would be stupid because I'm just one person. I mean everyone's free to speak of their own experiences, but when people chime in with stories of their PS2s going up in flames and killing their entire family I just have to roll my eyes.

And I know asking for a mature gaming forum is too much, I'm just hopeful okay? :)

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I'm always hearing this anecdotal evidence about how people are having to buy several Sony systems and how they're put together with duct tape and a prayer, why not offer some concrete evidence? There must be numbers somewhere showing the number of returns and whatnot. Frankly it just strikes me a sligh fanboyism which is sad when you consider this is probobally the most mature of all gaming forums.

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Why don't you offer some concrete evidence to disprove it? Everyone I've ever known has had problems sooner or later with Sony hardware, I'd absolutely love to see the numbers on it.

Sony's talking about a "revised" PSP before the original PSP even launches? Yeah, that's a great sign........

I've known many people whose Playstations and PS2s have died miserable deaths, but... never me. I don't know if these people all beat the hell out of theirs, or what. Granted, my first PS was the 5000 series or so, and the second working one I grabbed at a flea market was a 7000, and neither of them have ever had a problem. My PS2's a launch one and it still works fine. Then again, I don't watch DVD movies on it, I always leave it in horizontal mode, and I don't leave discs in it when it's off. But I have seen it happen to a ton of people I know personally, so the problem does have to exist.

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Originally Posted by MechDeus

I wonder if we'll get huge external battery packs like the Game Gear had.

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One could only hope. If I recall, didn't the GG battery pack have a belt clip? That's kind of funny, because I bet that thing could yank the pants clean off of a grown man.

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Originally Posted by youandwhosearmy

I ask this,

since when has faulty hardware every hurt Sony's sales? Look at all those beyond fragile PSOne's and Two's guys.

Thing is still gonna sell bucketloads, only chance you got really is to hope for once, that word of mouth works against Sony.

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Or people who don't see battery time as some sort of hardware fault.

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Originally Posted by Johnny

Maybe your family fills their gas tanks up with chocolate pudding, maybe you're just making stuff up because you have some irrational hatred towards Sony. With the number of retailers out there, many of whom keep records of returns and whatnot, you'd think someone would be able to prove that Sony hardware is complete junk. If we're going on anecdotal evidence I can say that none of Sony's hardware ever fails because all my stuff works perfectly, but that would be stupid because I'm just one person. I mean everyone's free to speak of their own experiences, but when people chime in with stories of their PS2s going up in flames and killing their entire family I just have to roll my eyes.

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You answered your own question. No one is judging the quality issue of Sony's products from one person experiance. It's not just one person saying "my PSwhatever" broke. It's a whole lot of people (for the record, my PS2 crapped out twice). Now retail numbers would be interesting to see, but I don't think that'll ever happen. Sony would never want those numbers to get out, and who knows if they even keep track of it themselves. Individual retailers probably keep track of returns though...but Sony may not let them publish that either. I'd be interesting to see how many of the 70 million ps2's are actual re purchases for replacements.

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Originally Posted by MVS

Or people who don't see battery time as some sort of hardware fault.

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I'd call it a hardware flaw. I'd get one of the battery life wasn't horrible. Someone mentioned a GTA game, which would be awesome but the exact kind of game that would suck the battery dry in an hour. All of that loading and disc accessing would kill it. And just the load times they are reporting now (for ridge racer, 10-15 seconds) sounds crappy enough.

The battery is an issue. You play/watch/listen for 2 hours and the battery is dead. What if you're out..anywhere? A commute, a vacation, waiting a few hours to recharge after just a few hours of use sucks no matter how you cut it. And that's just assuming you bring the cable to recharge it and can even recharge it. At least it would be the most attractive paper weight ever made at that point.

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Why don't you offer some concrete evidence to disprove it? Everyone I've ever known has had problems sooner or later with Sony hardware, I'd absolutely love to see the numbers on it.

Sony's talking about a "revised" PSP before the original PSP even launches? Yeah, that's a great sign........

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You want someone to find #'s to disprove your anecdotal evidence?

Why don't you offer some concrete evidence abotu this 'revised' thing?

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The battery is an issue. You play/watch/listen for 2 hours and the battery is dead. What if you're out..anywhere? A commute, a vacation, waiting a few hours to recharge after just a few hours of use sucks no matter how you cut it. And that's just assuming you bring the cable to recharge it and can even recharge it. At least it would be the most attractive paper weight ever made at that point.

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So wait and get one if the battery improves.

I don't really find myself out, far away from Electrical Outlets all that often, so this is not a concearn for me.

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And just the load times they are reporting now (for ridge racer, 10-15 seconds) sounds crappy enough.

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What were the load times for RRV? Do all PS2 games take that long to load?

I don't think we should use that as our benchmark just yet. Wait until it's out and early adopters get it. Then we'll see.

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Originally Posted by MVS

So wait and get one if the battery improves.

I don't really find myself out, far away from Electrical Outlets all that often, so this is not a concearn for me.

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The GBA SP has kinda spoiled me then. I kinda like not having to recharge it after every time I play it for an hour or two. I usually only have to recharge it after 6-8 play sessions or so. Which is rarely any more frequent than once a week, if that. And I use the system pretty often.

EDIT: On the same subject, I don't own a DS yet, but I'm interested in how the battery life is (other than the Nintendo estimates). Now that people here have owned them for a couple weeks or so, could you estimate how long the battery life lasts for you?

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Originally Posted by Damian79

Movies 4-5 hours, music 9 hours(better mp3 playback than ipod?)

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at 8:30, he left home for school with the psp (battery fully recharged during the night before) and listened to mp3 all the way untill he arrived at school at around 9:30. he then checked the battery in the menu: it said "91%. estimated remaining mp3 playback time: 9 hours."

he then watch movie from memory stick for around 40 mins in his class and then checked the battery again: "80%, estimated remaining movie playback time 4 hours". he said he paused the movie and checked the battery several times during that 40 mins (he did that too during the 1h of mp3 playback) and based on his observation, playing movies consuming the battery at least twice as fast as playing mp3.

he then showed off his new psp among his classmates. everyone awed and cam.

he listened to mp3 during his 1-hour home trip again. he watched movie for around 10 mins during that time. after he arrived home, he checked the battery again: 73%.

he said the mp3s sound much better on his psp than on his ipod.
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//He leaves school, and after walking a quarter of the way home he notices classmates De-Andre and Thuggy McBaggypants walking behind him.

He gets the shit kicked out of him. De-Andre and Thuggy grab his PSP, go home, smoke some weed and play RR. still 53% battery life.

Life is good.
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//He leaves school, and after walking a quarter of the way home he notices classmates De-Andre and Thuggy McBaggypants walking behind him.

He gets the shit kicked out of him. De-Andre and Thuggy grab his PSP, go home, smoke some weed and play RR. still 53% battery life.

Life is good.
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Bravo!

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Originally Posted by MVS

So wait and get one if the battery improves.

I don't really find myself out, far away from Electrical Outlets all that often, so this is not a concearn for me.

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I'm not into portable gaming, so I don't care either. But the PSP offers portable gaming that actually looks like it's could be great, but the battery issue kills any want for me to get it. I'm sure the battery issue will be fixed, it's just a matter of time.

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What were the load times for RRV? Do all PS2 games take that long to load?

I don't think we should use that as our benchmark just yet. Wait until it's out and early adopters get it. Then we'll see.

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Seems like Sony systems always have the worst load times. From early impresions I read, the boot up is about 10 seconds and loading each course is about the same.

How are the DS load times?

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Originally Posted by kedawa

How are the DS load times?

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solid-state = TEH FAST

I wish I could pull facts about battery life out of my ass like you guys. It would make writing this engineering paper much easier.

It's possible that those battery life estimates are conservative (Nintendo's always are). I asked the PSP guy at work about the battery life and he said that it's been tested with Ridge Racers and got about 5 hours straight play (I assume that's with the backlight as well as speakers because it wasn't a company benchmark, just a playtest).

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How are the DS load times?

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Ever played a Nintendo 64? They're just as fast. No loading screens because it's all instant access.

Finally! GS breaks the silence on the battery life!



[/quote]The PSP's battery life has been the subject of much speculation. After having spent some time with a PSP, a couple of games, and a demo disc that essentially serves as a movie, there's a few things we know.

Sony has rated the battery life to be around the six hour mark when playing games. So far, that seems to be accurate. Games--at least the ones we've seen so far--seem to be pretty good about only spinning the disc when needed. Movies, however, are streaming off the disc at a pretty constant rate, so it seems like you'll get less movie time than game time, but exactly how much less is a little tougher to figure. I would also imagine that the lower power requirements of reading the memory stick means that movies playing off of a stick wouldn't take as much as reading a movie from a UMD. We'll be putting that to the test soon.

The PSP has a pretty detailed battery info screen. Here, it gives you the remaining juice as a percentage, and as an hours/minutes calculation. That number can change pretty wildly depending on what you've been doing, but... well... yeah, it doesn't take much juice for the system to display the battery information screen.

Charging the unit from 0 to 100 percent took us just under two hours, and that includes about 20 minutes of playtime. The system seems to keep charging even if you're using it, though I'd imagine that would slow the charging down at least a little bit.

Extra batteries are running somewhere around the $30 range, I believe. While I wouldn't normally indulge in something like extra rechargable batteries for a handheld system, the flight from Tokyo to San Francisco is around nine or ten hours in length. So yeah, I'll need at least one spare. As for you, the question to ask is... do you really play portable games for over six hours in a stretch? I rarely do... this flight is one of the few exceptions that puts me without a power outlet for an extended period of time.

So far, the PSP is pretty impressive. The games are a lot of fun, the system's design is really solid, and overall, it just fits in your hands properly. It feels right. There's a lot to be said for the way a controller, handheld or otherwise, fits in your hands. The system will officially launch in between 24 and 28 hours, depending on which Japanese retail store you choose to line up at. When that happens, we'll have more to play and more to say.

PS: I crushed Ryan Mac Donald at Tekken 5 rather badly yesterday. What, does he think that people will still fall for the same old Paul tricks in this day and age? I certainly didn't.
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Though it is only a couple of games, I wish i knew what they were.

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Originally Posted by sethsez

My brother buys a Nissan. It breaks down all the time.

My mother buys a Nissan. It breaks down all the time.

My father buys a Nissan. It breaks down all the time.

Thus, I'm not going to buy a car from Nissan. This isn't a scientific experiment, and anecdotal evidence is fine for what it is.

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I guess they just don't take care of thier vehicles. I had an 87 Nissan Hardbody pickup. It had 79,000 miles on it, when I traded it in. The only parts I had to replace, were the muffler, tires, battery and brakes, during the 7 years I owned it. The truck started on the first turn of the engine. Was a great truck in IMO.

Damian, that's good news to hear on the battery life, sounds like Sony might not have to buck the trend of every handheld game system with less than 6 hours battery life failing then.

I'm eager to hear how the thing goes over in Japan and whatever problems people over there are having with it. For once I'm actually glad their getting a console to beta test ahead of us.

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Originally Posted by Rumpy

Seems like Sony systems always have the worst load times. From early impresions I read, the boot up is about 10 seconds and loading each course is about the same.

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Those load times are there so it doesn't have to read from the disc other times, thus reducing battery strain. Unlike console games, which not only read from the disc during loading screens but also stream content during the game, especially stuff like music. Makes sense to me.

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Originally Posted by gamevet

I guess they just don't take care of thier vehicles. I had an 87 Nissan Hardbody pickup. It had 79,000 miles on it, when I traded it in. The only parts I had to replace, were the muffler, tires, battery and brakes, during the 7 years I owned it. The truck started on the first turn of the engine. Was a great truck in IMO.

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It was an example. I don't know anyone who owns a Nissan. ;)

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It was an example. I don't know anyone who owns a Nissan. ;)

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Oh!

I can say however, that my whole entertainment center is Sony. My Pro-Logic reciever is about 8 years old and still works fairly well, though it is starting to show signs that it's time is coming. My 27" Trinitron has been moved to the master bedroom and still works like a champ. My PSX worked fine, till the day it was stolen from my apartment 3 years ago. My PS2 (GT3 package) is still going strong as well.

My guess is that most of the people having problems with their Sony systems, are probably running them into the ground. Sure the PS2 was made to play DVD's, but I'm sure it wasn't designed to be a DVD player for long periods of time. Moving parts wear out in the long run and heat from extended periods of playtime, probably were at fault as well. I generally run my systems for about 3 to 4 hours tops, at any given time.

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Originally Posted by sethsez

This is a more fundamental problem that rears its head from the second you open the box and never goes away. Sony left the PDA market because they had a similar issue there and people refused to buy their products because of it.

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I thought they dumped the US market because of slow sales due to typical Sony shit - awesome yet expensive and not totally reliable products with proprietary hardware and ridiculously expensive accessories that should have been included with the product in the first place. Oh and PalmOne was kicking their ass. Hard. And I love my Sony NX60 to DEATH! In fact, I just suckered myself into spending yet more money on the damn thing in order to "keep the investment" I've already made into MS media, accessories, etc. :cry:

I don't think that anything will stop the PSP. Unless Microsoft releases an XboxMini or something.

Psst... Sony is broad "brand", it's not like every Sony product is made and designed in the same boardroom and factory. Your Sony Radio could be manufacured in a Philipino Free Trade Zone, while your PlayStation could be made in a dedicated Sony Factory in Japan.

That's one of the only things about globalisation that sucks penis.

AM worried that if the PSP becomes the leadert in the handheld market compeitors will build their handheld with the same kind of "If it broke.oh well" approach that Sony has taken.

I remeber a poll on a gaming site where it stated 60% of PS2 break or need to be repaired. Sadly these was 2 years ago and I have completely forgotten the site name.

Was it www.amfullofshite.com?

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AM worried that if the PSP becomes the leadert in the handheld market compeitors will build their handheld with the same kind of "If it broke.oh well" approach that Sony has taken.

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Compared to Nintendo's approach of rapidly releasing a new handheld before the old one even has a chance to break?

No one said you had to buy the SP so stop complaining about them releasing it.

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No one said you had to buy the SP so stop complaining about them releasing it.

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Actually, Satoru Iwata came over to my house carrying a sack of doorknobs, and said that if I didn't buy it he would beat me to death.

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No one said you had to buy the SP so stop complaining about them releasing it.

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Am sure it has more to do with "We will not release a new version of the GBA with a lit screen, so you should just deal with it", which turned into 'GBA SP Announced, has Lit Screen" about 4 months later.

Am sure that means nothing to you since Nintendo does not speak any non-truths and shits petals of silk, but am sure you understand.

Am sure you know you sound hypocritical complaining about PSP when no one am forcing you to buy one.

Am.

The consumer market seems to eat up more frequent handheld revisions, that's why Nintendo does it. No doubt we'll be seeing new models of both PSP and DS with better features within 2 years.

Actually, that is more the result of:

-Monopoly
-Lack of choice
-Because they can

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Oh!

I can say however, that my whole entertainment center is Sony. My Pro-Logic reciever is about 8 years old and still works fairly well, though it is starting to show signs that it's time is coming. My 27" Trinitron has been moved to the master bedroom and still works like a champ. My PSX worked fine, till the day it was stolen from my apartment 3 years ago. My PS2 (GT3 package) is still going strong as well.

My guess is that most of the people having problems with their Sony systems, are probably running them into the ground. Sure the PS2 was made to play DVD's, but I'm sure it wasn't designed to be a DVD player for long periods of time. Moving parts wear out in the long run and heat from extended periods of playtime, probably were at fault as well. I generally run my systems for about 3 to 4 hours tops, at any given time.

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But if your Sony Hi-Fi or TV breaks you'll buy a different brand because the CDs and TV input will work on any other brand. If your PS2 breaks you have all these games already bought and your only choice is to buy another Sony PS2 on which to play them. That is why Sony can get away with poorly built consoles.

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I'm always hearing this anecdotal evidence about how people are having to buy several Sony systems and how they're put together with duct tape and a prayer, why not offer some concrete evidence? There must be numbers somewhere showing the number of returns and whatnot. Frankly it just strikes me a sligh fanboyism which is sad when you consider this is probobally the most mature of all gaming forums.

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work in retail for a few months and see just how many people come in asking about how to fix their broken PS2

also not every one can return their broken PS2, hell at Gamestop if it breaks after shit what is it like 7 days your fucked and have to deal with sony or buy a new one

and when people buy PS2's they dont ask them "Are you buying this for the first time or to replace one you have we need to have hard numbers on this"

the simple truth is that if you go out and look you'll see people all over the place with broken PS2's *knocks on wood* so far my PS and PS2 have been serving me well, but that doesnt change the fact that from working in retail in the past I used to see people every day on their 2nd or 3rd PS2s

and like YAWA said they just come in and buy another one, do they ever complain to sony, nope they just happily drop more money on another system


anyway back to the PSP

when the PSP+ comes out and has 14 hour battery life that's when I'll grab one

I'm lazy I hate recharging things, hell I only recharge my cell phone maybe 1 a week if that

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But if your Sony Hi-Fi or TV breaks you'll buy a different brand because the CDs and TV input will work on any other brand. If your PS2 breaks you have all these games already bought and your only choice is to buy another Sony PS2 on which to play them. That is why Sony can get away with poorly built consoles.

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No, I'll replace it with another Sony product, because I know what I'm getting.

Like I said, I've never had a problem with my Sony products. The only console I had flake out on me, was the old Dreamcast. I ran that thing into ground and it's replacement as well.


I'm sure quite a few people have had to replace their PS2's. I've seen the condition of used games and consoles when I go to retailers like Gamestop and often wonder how those survived. I bought my (Used)Xbox from EBgames. The thing was covered in dust, including the vents. How much effort does it take to run a cloth over your console? Dust is the biggest enemy of electronics.

Let's not forget that the first run of Xbox units had thier problems as well. Just like my launch DC did, when it failed after a year of service.

It could have a 2 hour battery and I'd have time to spare.

Who plays a portable 5 hours a day?

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It could have a 2 hour battery and I'd have time to spare.

Who plays a portable 5 hours a day?

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Isn't one of the drawing points of the PSP supposed to be that it provides better, more mature and more complex games? The whole angle Sony is taking is that these games will have more in common with the PS2 than the GBA.

If the PS2 overheated and crashed after being left on for four hours, it wouldn't be a big deal, right? I mean, really, who plays a game for four hours straight?

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It could have a 2 hour battery and I'd have time to spare.

Who plays a portable 5 hours a day?

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Why do people keep bringing up this stupid argument?

Sometimes you go places where you don't have easy access to a power adapter. Sometimes you go on long road trips. Sometimes you go on 18+ hour flights. Sometimes you forget to plug in your [insert gadget here] to recharge the battery every time.

People who say "OMFG you want a battery to last for 14 hours, who plays a handheld for 14 hours in a row?!?!" are really, really annoying. The people who want longer battery life aren't talking about using the item for that amount of time all in one sitting typically.

From Tim Rogers over at www.insertcredit.com:

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We charged up the battery and slammed the hell out of Ridge Racers with medium screen brightness (too bright hurts your eyes anyway) all over Shinjuku and it took -- I shit you not -- SIX HOURS AND THREE MINUTES for the battery to die. No joke. Put that on your weblogs.

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He mentioned in a previous post he was playing at max volume as well, so it seems the whole 2 hour thing is stupidity.

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Why do people keep bringing up this stupid argument?

Sometimes. Sometimes. Sometimes. Sometimes.

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Not everyday of your life. I'm sure on the rare occasion you're camping in the mountains for a week, you can deal without playing games for a couple days.

I wasn't bringing up an argument, I see everyone crying about it and was just saying the battery is plenty for me. Where are all these people that keep bringing it up?

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People who say OMFG....annoying.

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For you to think that I would give enough of a fuck to be that excited talking about the PSP is annoying. I whispered it.

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If the PS2 overheated and crashed after being left on for four hours, it wouldn't be a big deal, right? I mean, really, who plays a game for four hours straight?

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Right, no big deal. I could entertain myself long enough to turn it off and let it cool down instead of ripping my eyes out thinking about the fact I'm not on my 5th straight hour of a game.

it's not a matter of playing it in one sitting it's a matter of convience

I don't have to charge my cell phone after every time I use it

as I think I said in this thread, i charge it 1 maybe 2 times a week and thats nice, if I had to charge the thing everyday I just wouldnt bother fucking using it

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it's not a matter of playing it in one sitting it's a matter of convience

I don't have to charge my cell phone after every time I use it

as I think I said in this thread, i charge it 1 maybe 2 times a week and thats nice, if I had to charge the thing everyday I just wouldnt bother fucking using it

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well the newer phones with high res screens, 262k colors, camera, bluetooth require you to charge them more often, they have around 3-4 hours of talk time.

i bet your cellphone is one of those with tiny monochrome displays.

if you want the newer high tech gagdets, you're gonna have to charge more often.

now they claim the PSP lasts for 5 hours of play time, which is good enough for me.

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No, I'll replace it with another Sony product, because I know what I'm getting.

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So if your Sony TVs kept breaking every year PS2s tend to break then you'd still buy a Sony TV?

That battery report puts my mind at ease. I just hope the PSP doesn't break down for folks who have the expectation of being able to actually play games on it for extended periods of time.

When you think about a good game will make you play a long time. You look at th GBA and you think"Am not playing that for 2 hours" then you play Pokemon or street fighetr on it and you notice that you did play for 2 hours.

Your playing a great game on the PSP and then you notice you have to stop, quit what your doing and recharge it is very annoying.

Am if you am playing for more than 6 hours without recharge am true.

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well the newer phones with high res screens, 262k colors, camera, bluetooth require you to charge them more often, they have around 3-4 hours of talk time.

i bet your cellphone is one of those with tiny monochrome displays.

if you want the newer high tech gagdets, you're gonna have to charge more often.

now they claim the PSP lasts for 5 hours of play time, which is good enough for me.

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no my phone is about a year and a half old with a good sized full color display which i play tetris on all the time, send text messages, talk on it and I charge it about 1 - 2 a week

What does that have to do with the PSP, your love of ranting about Sony aside?

MVS ,do you have a gameboy advance? If you did and played good games on it then maybe you wouldl understand.

Am have played AW and AW2 which am good games.

Am not understanding what your point am.

Am you try making sense?

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What does that have to do with the PSP, your love of ranting about Sony aside?

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it's not a matter of playing it in one sitting it's a matter of convience

I don't have to charge my cell phone after every time I use it

as I think I said in this thread, i charge it 1 maybe 2 times a week and thats nice, if I had to charge the thing everyday I just wouldnt bother fucking using it

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and when the hell do I rant about sony, boy don't get me confused with spodaddy that's just not cool, that'd be like me confusing you for diffusionx

You rant about Sony and their products at least 50% of the time you post. That's not confusion, that's reality.

Again, what does a cell phone, which, you use what? 30 mins - 1 hour a day to play simple 8-bit esque era games, have to do with a PSP?

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You rant about Sony and their products at least 50% of the time you post. That's not confusion, that's reality.

Again, what does a cell phone, which, you use what? 30 mins - 1 hour a day to play simple 8-bit esque era games, have to do with a PSP?

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what the hell are you talking about

50% of my posts? dude you've deffiently been smoking way too much pot lately

I've made 2 posts in the last who knows how freaking long about a bad sony product


what it has to do with the PSP is convience, the reason I use my cell phone as often as I do is because I don't have to charge it so often and that is convient, when the PSP offers me that same level of convience, which one day it will because they keep hinting at release a PSP with a longer lasting battery down the road, then I will pick one up

Okay, I'll amed it 90% of your posts in any thread regarding the hint of talk about Sony Hardware fall under: I worked in retail. I've seen how bad they are. You don't know.

That more agreeable?

As for this comparison between the PSP and a Cell phone, that's just silly. Why not compare a car to a bicycle instead? What is next? You compare the DS to an Electric Razor?

And, sadly, I don't smoke pot.

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no my phone is about a year and a half old with a good sized full color display which i play tetris on all the time, send text messages, talk on it and I charge it about 1 - 2 a week

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well some phones(like yours) don't drain battery as much. I have a sony ericsson S700 that sports a huge screen, 262k colors bluetooth, infra red, memory stick duo, 1.3 mega pizel camera, a 3D game engine....and so on, i have to charge it ever 2 days on on medium usage, and every day on high usage, i usall charge at night when go to bed.


anyways, the point is, the PSP has a huge widesceen, WiFi and a DVD drive(moving parts) so it's understandable that it would use up batteries quiet a bit.

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they keep hinting at release a PSP with a longer lasting battery down the road, then I will pick one up

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huh? did i miss something? when did Sony of a newer longer lasting PSP?


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Okay, I'll amed it 90% of your posts in any thread regarding the hint of talk about Sony Hardware fall under: I worked in retail. I've seen how bad they are. You don't know.

That more agreeable?

As for this comparison between the PSP and a Cell phone, that's just silly. Why not compare a car to a bicycle instead? What is next? You compare the DS to an Electric Razor?

And, sadly, I don't smoke pot.

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I posted that in 1 thread come on man

and you know your missing the point, my point was when the PSP reaches the same level of convience which sony has hinted at it will one day, then I'll buy one it's a nice looking machine like i said in the official thread, just needs to get some games I want and a better battery life and I'll buy one

and if you want to compare a DS to an electric razor your more than welcome too, though I cant chime in on that conversation as I don't own either one

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well some phones(like yours) don't drain battery as much. I have a sony ericsson S700 that sports a huge screen, 262k colors bluetooth, infra red, memory stick duo, 1.3 mega pizel camera, a 3D game engine....and so on, i have to charge it ever 2 days on on medium usage, and every day on high usage, i usall charge at night when go to bed.

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which is why I like my phone and picked the one I did, I like convience

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anyways, the point is, the PSP has a huge widesceen, WiFi and a DVD drive(moving parts) so it's understandable that it would use up batteries quiet a bit.

huh? did i miss something? when did Sony of a newer longer lasting PSP?

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that's awesome and in time theyll have a version with all that plus a better battery, and I will buy that version

it was on one of the interviews with the guy in charge of the PSP, dropped hints of an eventual PSP with 14 hours of battery life and thats really good so I look forward to that version

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So if your Sony TVs kept breaking every year PS2s tend to break then you'd still buy a Sony TV?

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I haven't had that problem with my PS2 or PSX. ;)

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it was on one of the interviews with the guy in charge of the PSP, dropped hints of an eventual PSP with 14 hours of battery life and thats really good so I look forward to that version

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Actually, Sony never mentioned an updated PSP within range of 14 hours of battery life, they just stipulated that one day they would like to have a PSP running from Paris to Tokyo or something like that, meaning that they will try and update their firmware to acheive a better battery life. There has been no talk of updating the PSP physically to better meet the demand of the consumers, only software wise.

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Am if you am playing for more than 6 hours without recharge am true.

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God this cracked me up.

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Originally Posted by PaperWork

For you to think that I would give enough of a fuck to be that excited talking about the PSP is annoying. I whispered it.

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This was not 100% directed at you. Your post was simply one of many posts on here and other places that goes along the way of thought that you don't need more battery life because you don't need to play your PSP/whatever for that long.