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I had to explain to someone today what a Circumcision is, and it got me to thinking... just how common is it these days? I mean it use to define your religion. Anyone see that movie Europa Europa?
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The one time I discovered someone who was uncircumcised, he was embarassed and ashamed of it. But he sure as hell doesn't want one now.
Most babies get it nowadays because it is considered in the best interests of good health.
What I want to know is when the typical circumcision age is, bceause I don't think they do it at birth ever.
My cock does not need a turtleneck.
Foreskin free since 1978.
I'm pretty sure they do it before you go home that first time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowutopia
If your friend has already went through puberty, then he doesn't need one. At this point in his life getting it will just leave a bunch of fucked up scars, perhaps even cut out sensitive parts of "business" and who wants that?
Tell him to not worry about it and just keep himself clean. If girls have problems with it, he can just lie or something. Say crap about how it actually makes sex better for girls, or how it was his grandmother's last dying wish that he carry on the traditions of the mighty Nikuish Clan and not get his cap cut off.
My penis likes its hood.
I'll stick with my clean, sensitive cock, thanks.
"How would you like your pussy lips cut off?" usually ends the conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
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Originally Posted by MVS
That is correct. It can be done after that, but typically I think it's done within the first week of birth.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
Yeah same here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
The AMA doesn't reccomend it anymore, and parents are slowly waking up to the fact that it does more harm than good. The whole hygene factor is just an old wives tale, anyway. You have to keep the outside clean but the foreskin takes care of itself, like a cock eyelid (to draw a close comparison). It's just common sense - there's nothing wrong with it, so don't cut it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowutopia
That's true, actually. Uncut guys don't chafe girls unless they really ram it in there hard. They get a smooth gliding action, no lube required. All the girls I've known that have laid guys with foreskin say they prefer it over circumcised.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
They do that in some parts of the world. In places like Sudan and Nigera, most or all of the clitoris is cut, some of the labia is chopped, and the vagina is sewn up. That's really extreme, though. In most cases where female circumcision is performed, just the clitoral hood is removed, the equivalent of the typical male procedure.Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
As you might be able to tell, I'm anti-circumcision of all kinds. I'm cut myself, but I've always hated it. It bugs me that part of my body was removed for no reason, especially when it serves a specific function during sex. Sex still feels great and everything, but if I have a son, I won't get him cut. There's no point to it.
The only reference link I have for any of this is norm.org, but that's biased anti-circumcision propaganda, so take that as you will. They might have links to legit medical articles, but I don't remember.
Couldn't imagine life without a hoodie.
This whole male circumcision issue is just about the dumbest issue that people waste time arguing over.
If you're cut, fine. If you're not, great. Who gives a shit?
They actually say that you do lose some sexual sensation when you get chopped. Still, my schlong works and feels just fine, and I know a lot of girls what won't orally pleasure a guy if he's got a hoodie, just like some guys won't go near a vagina with big ol' hangin' lips. Just looks nasty.
Still, it's weird when you think about it, really. There's no legit medical reason to get cut nowadays, yet it's still commonplace in countries like the United States. And sometimes I find myself wondering if I'd have even more sensation or how much better sex would feel if I hadn't been cut as a baby. Oh, well.
Don't you think it's wrong to force that on your kid? Permanent, irreversable (well, sorta), unnessecary surgery on their reproductive organs. Not to mention the glaring double-standard when it comes to FGM. Girls' genitals are protected by law, so shouldn't boys'? Most of the time parents do it because they think it's better and most guys who are cut think it's better. There's nothing stupid about stating the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by sleeveboy
With Jews, it's part of their religion. Something about being born perfect, so they lop off your foreskin so you're no longer perfect, and god's keeping that foreskin warm for you for when you get to heaven. Whatever.
People who want to have the option to decide for themselves, maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by sleeveboy
Fascinating. Jews circumcising themselves is common knowledge, but I didn't know they think they'll get it back when they die. Reglion makes people do crazy shit.
When it makes little to no difference either way, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
Lopping off a clit /= trimming a foreskin.Quote:
Originally Posted by OFX
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Originally Posted by sleeveboy
And it's illegal to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by OmegaFlareX
Like I said, there's no legit medical reason to do it. I'm not sure what I'd do if I had a kid, but there's a good chance I'd leave it up to him to decide.
Guys that had been circumcised later in life have reported a loss of sensation during sex afterwards. So, perhaps it does make a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by sleeveboy
No, the equivalent would be to cut off the glans -- the head of the penis -- rather than the foreskin.Quote:
Originally Posted by OmegaFlareX
clitoral hood = female foreskin. That's what I'm talking about.
If you wait for him to form an opinion the answer would probably be no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
I got the chop when I was born. I can live with that.
They cut the goddamn clit itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by OmegaFlareX
I'm still not getting why anyone would want to lop of the skin that has the most sensitive parts of the penil shaft.
That just sounds dumb, and worse than dumb, the main reason given seems to be 'it's just done that way'.
Uncut > Hand Lotion.
Turns out I'm half-wrong anyway. The most common practice is Type II FGM, which means bye-bye to the whole clit and some or all of the labia minora.
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en/
My point before was that even Type I FGM, which is the removal of the clitoral hood without cutting the clit itself (same thing as male circumcision), is outlawed in this country, but the male procedure is not.Quote:
The most common type of female genital mutilation is excision of the clitoris and the labia minora, accounting for up to 80% of all cases; the most extreme form is infibulation, which constitutes about 15% of all procedures.
I don't know what the hell the doc did to my wang when I was a baby, but I was, for all intense and purposes, uncircumsized until I hit puberty. One day the head just 'popped out' and I was like 'Shit, my dick is falling apart!'
Every once in a while I'll wake up with morning wood and the 'hood' will still be covering the head. It slips off easily though, so I still have no idea how sex would feel if I hadn't had the snip.
It would feel the same, only the 1-3 inches below the head of the penis would be much more sensitive.
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Originally Posted by TrialSword
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Originally Posted by kedawa
This is made even funnier by your avatar.
My exact reaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
You uncut savages should get with the program.
I triple-dog-dare one of you guys to get the snip now.
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Originally Posted by Master
I'll do a quadruple doge dare to get the snip again.
I had the thread similar to this a while back, about dj not being circumcised, and all the worrier of being different and stuff.
We have that option. You don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Sounds like you are the one that the savages got ahold of.
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Originally Posted by shidoshi
High five =D
I was circumcised by a Rabbi. I am not Jewish, nor are my parents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
Does this make any sense?
That is odd. Was it an actual Bris, or just the surgery?Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
I kinda wish I was uncircumcised, but that would make Aurora sad.
Just the surgery.Quote:
Originally Posted by kedawa
That's really weird, but I totally get you. When reading his post I looked right at his av and pictured Beetlejuice saying it. Ugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
Maybe he was moonlighting. Rabbis gotta eat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
Besides, I get the feeling that those guys just really love chopping off foreskin.
That's the main reason the tribespeople give in Africa when they lop off their daughter's clits.Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
Makes ya think, huh?
so since cut guys are less sensitive, do they last longer on average?
Damn, for reals?Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
Hand lotion is the shit. I can only imagine what I'm missing now.
who on earth would know that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowutopia
Your mom?Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
I thought "reclaiming your virginity" was ironic and assinine, but there are a group of men out there "reclaiming their foreskin" with several devices and weights that stretch the skin they have left to naturally cover the entire penis.Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
Takes all kinds I guess.
I have no foreskin and I didn't have sex for about 14 years once. Does that count?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowutopia
IBTN.Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
especially the hand lotion part.
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Originally Posted by Cowutopia
who gives a shit hoodies enjoy it more!
if you think thats a good reason to get the chop, maybe you should start injecting shit into your tossil too?
You are talking about a culture that believes it can cure AIDS by fucking virgin girls under the age of 8.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
Exactly. The less we have in common with them, the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
That probably depends on many factors, not the least of which being the individual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowutopia
With a condom, for cut or uncut, the sensitivitiy probably goes way down. Since I'm not going out like Willy Lump Lump and I don't want any Wallet Theives, I wouldn't have a basis for condomless sex.
Blowjobs on the other hand, are probably quite different. Just imagine if yours was about 3x more sensitive at the top, and you'll understand what a difference that would make.
The ability to jerk off anywhere, anytime without the need for any help?Quote:
Originally Posted by OmniGear
Quite a bit, I'd say.
If that will make them happy, what's the harm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Personally, I would and will leave the choice up to any sons I have (as my parents did) and I'm not going to force a decision upon them due to some inferred religious belief that I don't have or some notion that it is 'normal' to do it.
Circumcisions are kind of self-perpetuating. When I have a boy, he will get one also. Since we don't walk around naked, and I don't peer into other people's urinals (okay, sometimes) I see circumcised as being "normal".
Even though it is far from normal, I still will "pass on" the tradition. If you want to know how women truely feel about it, ask them what they will do for thier sons.
How is cutting off something you were born with normal?Quote:
Originally Posted by toxic
I was cut, and I really like my pee-wee. But I'll never know what it might be like otherwise... :(
Most women I talk to think being uncut looks nasty, but like Matt said, ask them to cut off their pussy lips and see how they feel about that.Quote:
If you want to know how women truely feel about it, ask them what they will do for thier sons.
No harm, but they're just fooling themselves. It's not like they get the missing sensitivity back.Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
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Originally Posted by Dolemite
That is why I put normal in quotes. Because obviously it is not normal.
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Originally Posted by toxic
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I have a hard enough time with Morton as it is. If he were any more sensitive there might be dire social consequences, besides just being holed up in my room *all the time*.
No hoodie, thanks, he's already so worked up about everything that he doesn't need designer outer wear.
Yet you still want to "pass on" the tradition to your kid.Quote:
Originally Posted by toxic
Unless, of course, you were being all sly again by putting quotes around "pass on" to mean that you wouldn't actually do it. You're, like, a deep guy.
Seriously man, don't do it. I guarantee he'll thank you later if you let him keep the whole thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by toxic
As far as the girl situation goes, they'd better start teaching their daughters tolerance twoards foreskin (just like the rest of the world) because with each consecutive generation fewer boys are being cut.
I hear the infant circumcison rate in Korea has exploded over the past few years. Like, they went from zero to 70% or something. I wonder what kind of messed up brainwashing is causing it. People are such ignorant fucking sheep sometimes.
The idea of the foreskin being there still seems "ugly" to me.
Something tells me women probably feel the same way too. And when they already think the penis is one the ugliest things out there, there's not much room for experimentation.
Sex is fine the way it is for me, and in this crazy, fucked up world, that's at least one thing I can take to heart.
Probably true. My girlfriend tells me it looks weird... but it doesnt stop her from doing anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by OmniGear
As for the whole sexual stuff feeling better... I dont know. It might be true, but Im not gonna get circumcised to find out.
My ex said I have an architecurely perfect penis.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
It was the nicest thing she ever said.
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Originally Posted by Dolemite
No. It was meant the way I said it. He will have a peter that looks like mine, and those before me. Nothing too deep about that.
That's probably a good idea, if only to avoid the nagging question "Dad, why doesn't my pepe look like yours?"Quote:
Originally Posted by toxic
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Originally Posted by OmegaFlareX
If he is like me, then I doubt he will even care one way or the other. I have never had the thoughts about 'what if ....'
Maybe those with foreskins, should have a National "Thanks for keeping my penis natural" Day? There seems to be a great need to extoll the wonders of a flap of skin, amongst some people.
"Dear Mother, Thank you for keeping all my erotic nerve cells intact. My pleasure center extends fully from the crown of my penis to the base of my shaft, thanks to your decisions.
Love Always, Son."
I detect animosity here. I am leaving this thread.
Meh, who cares what women think about it. They want guys cut, because culture has taught them that having it cut is normal. They would feel the same way about being uncut if that was the norm.Quote:
Originally Posted by toxic
A group of people who are known for going allong with the flow for no other reason than it being the norm, shouldn't get any say in this.
"zomg, it is so weird @_@ "
Women can keep their maiden name when they are married too. I just won't be marrying any of these. You marry me, you change the name, you are born by my seed, foreskin goes out the window.
These are the breaks.
Will you do a side-by-side comparison?Quote:
Originally Posted by toxic
You can type that and then turn around and say that you have no problem damaging your son's genitals for no good reason other that you want his dick to look like yours?Quote:
Originally Posted by toxic
I'll present my firstborn with a choice.
Two fingers.. one for yes, and one for no. Whichever one he grabs will decide it.
Case closed. If he ever brings it up later in life, I'll tell him it was his decision. :D
Saves everyone a lot of stupid debating.
Hey, Dripdry is back. Welcome back, man.
I can't understand why anyone would not want to leave this choice up to any son.
Whatever.
You know... I don't feel damaged at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
I love fucking. All aspects of fucking feel fucking fantastic.
If any of you really feel damaged, or like less of a man than MVS, look into foreskin restoration.
Me, I'm happy with my dick. Wouldn't change a thing. Never had any complaints either. :D
Not much to debate when you don't have a choice in the matter.
I just don't understand why its such an issue.
Who. Fucking. Cares.
People who plan on having sons?
I plan on having chidren someday too. Whether or not to chop the end off of my sons junk is the least of my concerns.
Dude, I'm with you…I love my dick. Fucking is awesome. If I didn't have to work, eat or shit I'd probably do it all day. It has nothing to do with feeling like less of a man- I don't mind being cut at all, as I think uncut dicks look like saggy elephant trunks and I know a lot of chicks that can't hang with that look. Shit, I've known girls that flat-out refuse to blow uncut guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
I'm just questioning the pratice of an unnecessary medical procedure that could possibly be reducing the pleasure of an already amazing act.
my dick is cut and sex is great, if im missing out on something better if i had my foreskin im not going to dwell on it, i got cut when i was born and had no choice so according to my gf cut looks better and she wont date someone whos uncut and shes happy with sex me and thats the most important thing. :D
Who would have thought a shallow girlfriend would make someone so happy?
shes not shallow, shes right i have seen an uncut dick and it does look like a shriveled elephant trunk , if sex was really horrible for me and i thought that it might have been better if i hadnt been cut then that would have sucked and i would have been pissed but since sex is good and i dont know anything else than im happy with what i have. Some guys get really angry that they were cut without a choice but for me as long as it works and it works the way it should then im happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
Your girlfriend is a stupid stuck-up bitch. Anyone who doesn't date someone because their dick looks funny is a fucking shallow moron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blacklight85
So i have foreskin, it's not like my dick is shaped like hockey stick.
When I clicked on this topic it said "Circumcisions - First Blood"
:lol:
That is all.
In the Jewish and Christian faiths, circumcision is the result of a covenant formed with God (whoever said Jews think they get it back in Heaven is a fucking moron). As the US was founded on Christian values, it has since carried over into this modern era as "the norm."
If you want to do it, fine. If you don't want to, fine.
Just don't fucking tell me what to do or why I should agree with you.
And I agree with the Josh crowd, btw.
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Originally Posted by Cicada
Yeah that is pretty funny.
My schlong is Christian? No wonder we don't get along.
Everyone should do this more often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
IBTNQuote:
Originally Posted by Josh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subincision
DON'T CLICK ON THE LINK AT THE BOTTOM
%#@& you, %#@& me, and %#@& curiosity! :shudders:
Heed Astro's warning: DON'T CLICK ON THE LINK AT THE BOTTOM
You know, every one's going to click the link at the bottom now. They'll have to satisfy their curiosity.
Way to go, slugger.
...Wow
I bet that hurt.
Exactly, my plan was foolproof.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
MWHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!
I can verify this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
When limp, perhaps. Though, when it is erect it looks the same as any other penis. Sex cut or uncut makes no difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blacklight85
She is as shallow as someone who says 'I'm not fucking a chick with puffy nips'.
5 babies get circumcised everytime someone uses this :cry: :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
Unless you subscribe to all of those 'Christian Values' at the countries founding, please stfu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
You want to pick and choose those you believe in, great, but don't bring the whole 'this country was founded on' crap into it. This country was founded on slavery and other shit as well, that doesn't make it right.
This is what my son will get done.Quote:
Originally Posted by AstroBlue
Haha, best practical joke ever.
What are "puffy nips"?Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
Tis a shame. Your son will never have the privilege of doing "smoking with his dick" routine.Quote:
Originally Posted by OmniGear
:lol:Quote:
What are "puffy nips"?
You don't know.
but any christian with half a brian knows that the new testament makes sure to repeatedly tell you that circumcision really doesn't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
Whatever. You gargle your mother's ass sweat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will
easily the gayest thread on TNL.
It may be a Christian tradition, but for the most part it is unfounded. There were quite a few things written about how the uncut gentiles are saved by their faith just as much as a cut converted jew is saved by his faith in Christ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable
Circumcision was part of the old convenient and has nothing to do with being saved or fallowing Christ.
Exactly what it sounds like. Puffy Nipples.Quote:
Originally Posted by OmniGear
I dig 'em some jackholes don't.