This solidifies that the ps3 will ship after 2005.

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Originally Posted by Mamo

The DC was the most successful console launch ever (at the time), and it still was trounced by Sony and the PS2. The fact that the Xbox 2 could launch around Christmas is irrelevant, because Sony can answer whatever moves MS makes soon afterwards. Microsoft may as well name their new system Dreamcast 2.0, because Sony holds all the cards.

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God freakin' christ!

-DC was coming off a pair of horribly-recieved consoles and had alienated much of the Sega fanbase; Xbox2 will be coming off a successful, well-received system.

-DC was released just before the holidays and did extremely well. PS2 was released just before the holidays the following year and did extremely well. However, now it looks to be Xbox2 will be released just before the holidays, and PS3 will release early in the following year. A large part of a launch numbers is consoles bought as gifts, a console freshly released during the holidays will do much better than it would at a different time of the year.

-DC didn't have near the developer support XB2 will.

-DC -> PS2 was a year difference. XB2 -> PS3 will be a few months; people won't as easily justify replacing their XB2 in that short a timeframe.

-Unless Blu-ray really takes off and HD-DVD is DOA, PS2 does not have the huge appeal of secondary functionality that PS2 had with DVD.

-I will be completely surprised if the difference in graphics between XB2 and PS3 are noticable without close inspection.

In summation, anyone that spouts that XB2's chances are in any form relatable to the DC is, without a doubt, a friggin' knuckle-dragging troglodyte.

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Originally Posted by Bacon McShig

In summation, anyone that spouts that XB2's chances are in any form relatable to the DC is, without a doubt, a friggin' knuckle-dragging troglodyte.

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The Dreamcast had an extremely slim chance of establishing a foothold before the PS2 launch. The Xbox 2 has no such chance against the PS3. You're right, I guess they're not relatable after all.

Sony has only increased their dominance since the Xbox arrived.

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Originally Posted by Mamoscott

The Dreamcast had an extremely slim chance of establishing a foothold before the PS2 launch. The Xbox 2 has no such chance against the PS3. I guess the systems aren't relatable after all.

Sony has only increased their dominance since the Xbox arrived.

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I was thinking about countering this silly, useless speculation, but it would have just been with more speculation.

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The Dreamcast had an extremely slim chance of establishing a foothold before the PS2 launch. The Xbox 2 has no such chance against the PS3. You're right, I guess they're not relatable after all.

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The Xbox was an unproven contender coming in against PS2, and had to take a lot of time to gradually work up consumer and developer confidence. It now has has a solid, bankable name, large publishers committing big name games to it, and a large fanbase going into the next console. I think it has a damn good chance, I'm certainly not saying it's going to mop the floor with PS3 but I can say with utmost confidence that it will be a very tight race.

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The Xbox was an unproven contender coming in against PS2, and had to take a lot of time to gradually work up consumer and developer confidence. It now has has a solid, bankable name, large publishers committing big name games to it, and a large fanbase going into the next console. I think it has a damn good chance, I'm certainly not saying it's going to mop the floor with PS3 but I can say with utmost confidence that it will be a very tight race.

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None of that makes a difference. Compared to MS, Sony has a more bankable brand name, more support from third parties, better first party games and exclusives, a more diverse game library, and a much larger fanbase going into their next console.

Microsoft has already lost billions of dollars this gen trying to gain some kind of advantage, yet the Xbox has done nothing to slow down the PS2. Sony has only become more dominant, and if MS launches the Xbox 2 earlier than the PS3, they'll lose the only advantage they had this gen (more powerful hardware).

The Xbox 2 is fucked no matter when MS launches it.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

I was thinking about countering this silly, useless speculation, but it would have just been with more speculation.

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And I was thinking that the only reason this type of speculation exists is because Microsoft is so pathetically desperate for a new console race to begin. The problem of course is that Sony and Nintendo know how to actually turn a profit in this industry and can afford to wait as long as they'd like with the current gen, while MS continues to get raked over the coals and lose money at an unprecedented rate in a "race" that was a lost cause a long time ago.

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Originally Posted by Mamoscott

None of that makes a difference. Compared to MS, Sony has a more bankable brand name, more support from third parties, better first party games and exclusives, a more diverse game library, and a much larger fanbase going into their next console.

Microsoft has already lost billions of dollars this gen trying to gain some kind of advantage, yet the Xbox has done nothing to slow down the PS2. Sony has only become more dominant, and if MS launches the Xbox 2 earlier than the PS3, they'll lose the only advantage they had this gen (more powerful hardware).

The Xbox 2 is fucked no matter when MS launches it.



And I was thinking that the only reason this type of speculation exists is because Microsoft is so pathetically desperate for a new console race to begin. The problem of course is that Sony and Nintendo know how to actually turn a profit in this industry and can afford to wait as long as they'd like with the current gen, while MS continues to get raked over the coals and lose money at an unprecedented rate in a "race" that was a lost cause a long time ago.

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LOL!

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I will be completely surprised if the difference in graphics between XB2 and PS3 are noticable without close inspection.

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Don't sell short Sony's abilities to make really stupid decisions. This is the company that not only decided that the PS2 didn't need texturing capabilities as strong as the Dreamcast but actually got away with it, too.

Having said that, it's still all speculation and probably not worth fretting over right now.

James

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None of that makes a difference. Compared to MS, Sony has a more bankable brand name, more support from third parties, better first party games and exclusives, a more diverse game library, and a much larger fanbase going into their next console.

Microsoft has already lost billions of dollars this gen trying to gain some kind of advantage, yet the Xbox has done nothing to slow down the PS2. Sony has only become more dominant, and if MS launches the Xbox 2 earlier than the PS3, they'll lose the only advantage they had this gen (more powerful hardware).

The Xbox 2 is fucked no matter when MS launches it.



And I was thinking that the only reason this type of speculation exists is because Microsoft is so pathetically desperate for a new console race to begin. The problem of course is that Sony and Nintendo know how to actually turn a profit in this industry and can afford to wait as long as they'd like with the current gen, while MS continues to get raked over the coals and lose money at an unprecedented rate in a "race" that was a lost cause a long time ago.

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All you are doing is thinking and it is not WORKING, so stop, PLEASE. :lol:

Xbox 2 is fucked at launch?

Well at you least you spew shit out of your ass somewhat elegantly.

Mamoscott you are saving me alot of typing :)

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The Xbox was an unproven contender coming in against PS2, and had to take a lot of time to gradually work up consumer and developer confidence. It now has has a solid, bankable name, large publishers committing big name games to it, and a large fanbase going into the next console. I think it has a damn good chance, I'm certainly not saying it's going to mop the floor with PS3 but I can say with utmost confidence that it will be a very tight race.

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Yes it has a brand name now and some "large publishers committing big name games to it" but the fact remains that anything not named Halo simply doesnt sell. It literally does have to launch with Halo 3 to have a chance, and seeing as Halo 2 just came out and the Xbox 2 should be out next Christmas I really don't see how that is possible.