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Pre-emptive who cares what they are the only two Xbox exclusives that have sold respectably are Halo and Project Gotham 2, both Microsoft published titles, so why would a developer bother releasing a game exclusively on the Xbox if it isn't going to sell? Sounds like the Gamecube doesn’t it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Planet
This is just irritating me, even though it matters none: PGR2 did not sell all that great (although it has unbelievable staying power; was the #2 selling Xbox game in November behind some silly FPS game). It is the original PGR that pushed over a million units (well deservingly too, they are both some of the best racers of this generation, or any generation really).
There's no real point to have an exclusive on any system unless the money Sony/Microsoft/some other shitty platform owner throws at you more than makes up the money you lose from not publishing on those other platforms. Granted, it would take less money from Sony to make that happen than Microsoft... but the industry is in a fairly sad state overall. (As an aside, I will never understand why Microsoft never tried to outbid Sony for the GTA rights back in the day -- fucking dumb move if you ask me.)
-Dippy
Of course the industry is in a sad state. "Gamers" control nothing, have no influence in anything. It doesn't matter what console has the "good" games, it’s all about sales now, and you know what games sell? The ones targeted to non-gamers, the EA crowd. That is why they as a company is such a force right now. They’re holding all the cards. The Dreamcast showed that all the "gamers" in the world can no longer save a system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dipstick
My earlier comment was a joke on the inevitable degeneration of these kinds of threads. But regarding your post above:Quote:
Originally Posted by piku
Gamers have the same control as any other consumers do -- they speak with their wallets which unquestionably affects the decisions made by developers and publishers, even if it may not produce the effect that you specifically happen to desire.
If you mean that "hardcore" gamers don't have much control, that's true for any industry. What the hardest-core niche wants is usually something the rest of the planet (a) doesn't care about; (b) won't spend the extra money on; or (c) doens't even know about. Even then, I believe we are actually fortunate since videogames are the kind of commodity that will allow for considerable variety, including plenty of niche products. Bear in mind that it aslo works both ways: large, powerful developers are often the catalyst to getting niche games, or games from smaller developers, to the consumers -- Steel Battalion and Riddick come to mind, and I'm sure there are plenty of examples on other platforms.
Your Dreamcast comment is presumably heartfelt, but rests on what I suspect is a faulty premise -- the notion that all of the so-called "real gamers" invested their hearts, souls, and (most importantly) bank accounts on Sega's system and software. They didn't. And, of course, Sony didn't help much either.
Aside: some posters' comments about MS being essentially inconsequential to Sony are laughable.
Further aside: I don't care when PS3 launches. I actually enjoy playing videogames, and I'm sure I'll buy both MS's and Sony's consoles.
Dog wags the tail, not the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by piku
No I don't even neccesarily mean "hardcore" gamers - I'm not talking about the kind of people who count frames in a fighting game. Look back in the SNES/Genesis era, generally someone was just as likely to buy an RPG as they would a fighter, or beat em up. Now you have a large mass of people who simply buy whatever EA puts out and the small minority who will actually give an RPG a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Planet
Though I agree that the large profits from the masses allow niche titles to be produced though, but I was saying that these titles were once not so niche.
I was saying that the Dreamcast was the last system where the majority of people who bought it bought it for titles like Skies of Arcadia or Jet Grind Radio, not for Madden.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Planet
And look where that is today...Quote:
Originally Posted by piku
Huh? RPGs are more mainstream now than they were in the 16-bit era. People buy whatever's popular in each each era. Back then it was Street Fighter 2/Mortal Kombat. Today it's EA Sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by piku
yeah I realize that, ass. But they really dont look ALL that different. Ohhh maybe the Xbox version has higher resolution or something. They really are close to the same in most cases. Plus I almost never buy multiplatform games on my cube because the controller is crap. I mean if the diffrence in graphics was like Xbox vs Dreamcast in the next gen it would matter. But since there WONT be that much difference its all going to come down to who has better exclusives. And that all depends on who you talk to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
I predict now Xbox2 vs Ps3 vs Cube 2 will be the same graphics wise. Developers will RARELY make multiplatform games that look dramatically different in the next gen just as they do now. Thats why we get so many PS2s average looking graphics on Xbox when technically Xbox hardware SPANKS PS2s'.