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So my gf started a game of Zelda II and got pretty far, across the ocean and to the temple up by the mazey place, but she never beat horsehead in temple one. She just got the candle and ran out. Apparently you can use all dungeon keys in any dungeon, but all the other dungeons she passed through are rocks. Is there any way to get another key to beat the first dungeon or should she just start completely over?
Sucks balls.
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Originally Posted by Cowutopia
"HA HA"- Nelson
Isnt there only one other dungeon you can get to right away? The one in the swamp? I doubt she's gotten any furthur than that in the game. Just tell her not to be a puss and go backtrack and look around in the first dungeon, and beat horsehead while she's at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowutopia
No. She's up to the dungeon across the ocean to the north in the maze place. She must have used the extra key from dungeon one in one of the other dungeons, meaning she must have missed a key from one of the subsequent ones, but then after she beat the boss the temples turned to stone so she couldn't get it. Sounds like royal fuckage. I mean we could take a key from one of the next dungeons and go back, but then we wouldn't be able to go forwards.
Maybe there's a game genie code or something we could emulate to get a spare key so we don't have to start over?
Oh, so she's in Death Mountain then? Well, hell. I didnt even know about being able to use keys in any dungeon - I played the game linearly so I never had that trouble.I cant see the dungeons just stoning up like that if you dont have every required item in them,but who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowutopia
Gamefaqs is your best friend in this situation....
I vaguely remember doing the same thing ages ago. I think I had to start over. :( But maybe I kept "borrowing" keys from other dungeons until I got the "fairy spell" which lets you fly through keyholes . It's been too long, and I have never touched the game since I bought it 15 years ago.
I'm a huge Zelda fan, and I hated Zelda 2.
If we eventually get to fly through keyholes, there is no problem.
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Wait. We have the fairy spell. You can fucking fly through keyholes?!?
w000tttagge!
Oh and we think we still have a carryover key. So Thanks for the help. Thread closed.
P.S. This is the farthest I've ever seen anyone get in this game. I sucked so bad at it when I was young I never really tried it again. And it's awesome like the first game is awesome. There's not always a lot of hints as to what to do (Like that mirror under the table.) But you can figure it out if you perseverant.
Awesome.
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Originally Posted by toxic
I liked 2 more than 1! NO LIE!
Zelda 2 was damn good...just different.
That said, after I beat it I've never played it again.
Now that I'm understanding it's style a little better, I like it a lot. It's as frustrating as 1 sometimes, and sometimes more so. I'm glad I found all 7 magic containers before that asshat wanted me to have all 7. So, what does "spell" do? Probably kills the next boss.
We'll find out tomorrow. Bedtime.
Zelda 2 rocks!!
I think the "missing key" problem might be in the game so you have to use the fairy spell to get through the door, along with maybe 2 or 3 other un-jumpable cliffs to climb. I have fond memories of Z2.
Also, if I'm not mistaken "Spell" powers you up (you need this to fight the last boss AFAIK, no spoilers.)
If you have a key in your possession and fly through a keyhole, you will use the key and unlock the door. If you do not have a key and you fly through the keyhole, the door will still be locked. Also, the master key is available as a special item in one of the later dungeons.Quote:
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Zelda 2 and TOoT are the series' two best games.
Threads like this are exactly why I love TNL. I mean you are not gonna see many other sites where people are still playing through classics like this and looking for advice. Zelda 2 was funky for me, but my friend and I beat it together to save some time and money (sharing NES carts was always the thing to do when you were young and short on cash!)
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A lady in one of the first towns tells you to "only use keys in the dungeons where you find them".
Yeah, you can definately get stuck. er, at least I thought so, until word of the fairy spell/keyhole trick just reached me - wish I would have known that 15 years ago. I've definately stated over more than once because of "lost" keys.
yeah. And I'm a huge Zelda fan. And Adventures of Link is the best!
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Zelda 2 is kind of how Resident Evil 4 is. It's not the game you remember. It's not bad, but not incredible either.
Except Resident Evil 4 is incredible. It's just not scary.
Well, it's a little more scary after it gets dark and everything sprouts a tentacle. A bit. I think it's just more surreal then, especially since everything looks so nice.
Yes, because I remember years ago when RE4 came out I thought it was the most amazing thing ever. But now going back and playing it I see it wasn't as good as I remember.Quote:
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I'm not following you.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
Zelda 2 was a complete letdown when it was released. Anyone who tells you different is someone who didn't completely love Zelda 1 or played Zelda 2 years after the fact.
To give you some sort of analogy that modern gamers can understand. It would be like absolutely loving Halo 1 ... and 4 years later Bungie release Halo 2 as an above-average RTS game. The shock of having something you love reformulated into something else is hard to equate into terms.
Zelda 2's style would've worked alot better on the SNES (like most NES games did) The overworld on the NES version was primitive, and the towns were not interactive at all. The only thing that was redeeming was the magic system and to some degree the EXP.
In retrospect, Zelda 2 seems like a fun break from the "typical" Zelda style game .. but at the time, Zelda 2 should have been LttP and not Zelda meets Metroid/Dragon Warrior.
Well, yeah, it was a letdown, but it wasn't a bad game. I loved Zelda 1, and I never got Zelda II at the time. Why? Because it didn't interest my eight year old self. I played it seriously sometime in the early PSX era, and I created the opinion I posted about previously.Quote:
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Also, I wouldn't call myself a modern gamer by any stretch of the word(s).
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That's pretty funny.Quote:
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I'm.... not following you.Quote:
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This second to last dungeon is a bitch. Blindly jumping into pits in the hope that you'll live sucks.
But so far I'm 1/1.
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same here the game just didnt work for me
Wrong. I absolutely loved Zelda 1, played both games right when they came out and still loved Zelda 2. It wasn't quite as good as the first game but I didn't feel let down by it. Zelda 2 aged quicker due to the side-scrolling adventure game being done much better by Wonder Boy 3 not long afterwards but I still feel it was a great game at the time.Quote:
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I'm not going to argue with your enjoyment of a game, but clearly you agree that LoZ was better than 2. So, in a sense, you were let down because it did not exceed the original.
I think the real proof is that Nintendo never tried another Zelda 2 playstyle in the 2d format again.
I really enjoyed Ys III, and the Wizards & Warriors games. For me, both were better than Zelda 2.
I think it's about time they tried a different view with the series again. I bought Minish Cap today and although I enjoy it I feel conflicted buying it because I'm supporting a lack of change with the series. A breath of fresh air is needed.Quote:
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In the Japanese FDS version you could pick which stat you wanted to bump up at level-ups. That would've been pretty cool, but the downside is whenever you save/quit, all your levels reset to whichever ability is lowest.
They put it to good use here:
http://bisqwit.iki.fi/nesvideos/movies.cgi?id=185
this would be a lot better if i could quote it - Miyamoto stated in an interview sometime before the release of the Zelda Gamecube collection, that Zelda 2 was one of his favorites. He said some more specific things like he was happy with what they accomplished, or something. And I swear I remember reading him saying that he had similar ideas in mind still, and that they had something special planned.Quote:
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That something special was probably the Zelda collection disc, but one can always maintain a dilusional hope of a another action-platform styled Zelda.
I think Shigero was hinting at the new mario game for the DS.
Bah screw you guys. Zelda 2 is imo the best Zelda to date. I beat it in 3 and a quarter hours.
It was just too different for fans of zelda, same goes for majoras mask. Gamers today want the same shit with a good upgrade. So ghey.
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Originally Posted by toby
I personally loved Zelda 2, I thought it was a great departure for the series. I though have never beaten it due to the hell of a maze castle that is the last castle.
Me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater
I can't say I was let down by Zelda 2 at all. Is it my favorite of the series? No, but neither is the original.
I commend Nintendo for being willing to take some chances with their top-tier franchises. That's one of the reasons why I think Majora's Mask is the best Zelda...nothing plays like it.
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On Zelda, I've been hoping for a long time that Nintendo will do another Zelda game in that gameplay style. Maybe on DS?
Zelda has a lot of other issues as the series progresses.
It seems that non-linear Zelda's are GONE possibly forever. The best part of Zelda 1 and 3 (I never tried to sequence break Z2) was being able to play the dungeons out of order to accomplish certain things in different ways.
Also what needs and NEEDS to come back is items that are totally found just y'know, out in the middle of no where. Like the Magic Cape in Z3 or like, the power bracelet in Z1. Or key items that you simply save up for and buy in a shop, like the Candles or the Magic Shields in Z1 or something. Maybe that's just me.
2nd Quests would also be a bad ass idea but probably would be too hard to implement in a modern day setting. I could go for a hard as balls Zelda again.
And for Christ's sake, GIVE THE WIZZROBES THEIR BALLS BACK! I swear all the Wizzrobes in the latest Zeldas are so pussy.