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Looks like they don't care to compete with EA anymore.
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bwahahahahahaha
Finally.
To be fair, they never really did compete with EA.
I read about this earlier. Buts its really no surprise after Take Two took Visual Concepts away from Sega. Well Sega wanted to get rid of them anyways from what I've been hearing. Its kind of too bad since they had really good NFL and NHL games. MLB wasn't so hot though. .
-Sega RIP 2005
Kano, your av is funny.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!Quote:
"The ESPN Videogames line has not been a key profit driver in the North American market for Sega," Naoya Tsurumi, CEO of Sega of America, said in a statement. "While Sega recognizes the strength and depth of the ESPN Videogames franchise, we must remain committed to growing content that will help boost revenues across all western territories."
Well that sucks. It was bound to happen though.
ESPN NFL 2K5 outsold Madden 2005 on Xbox. And I don't think EA's move towards monopoly was driven by lack of competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone
I thought WSBB got back on track over the last two years and was better than MVP this last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilMog007
I won't even compare Live to NBA2K.
Thats really sad. Hooray for more years of crap from EA.
Good riddance. However, I wont be satisfied until Sega is officially out of the... games game.
Hey, next virtua fighter, panzer dragoon is going in my collection.
STFU!
Yet another hare-brained decision by Sega. It's amazing that they can take something like VC and just give it away. I can't say I'm surprised.Quote:
Originally Posted by voltz
what the hel can they do? Better to let them go for some cash than just let them rot working on some boring projects no one cares about.
Can't say I am suprised. I wonder what Dango is going to do now for work?
Reviving GF would be in his best interests.
Wow. So, recently, what else has made Sega any sort of money? I'm guessing that Sonic Heroes must have sold quite a few in order to stay at 49.99 for a solid year (It's now 19.99, by the way), but besides the sport games I can't think of anything. Maybe this will finally force them to make some quality games again...
What are you talking about!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Geen
OutRun 2 kicked ass at retail! Shit, it was so amazing Sega had to drop the price from 50 - 20 just to trick people into thinking its a bad game. That way sales would slow up some and they could put more copies on retail shelves.
You reap what you sow, is the moral here.
Those bastards! So the lack of consumer interest must have been the first part of their devious plan! I always knew them teaming up with Microsoft was nothing but pure evil. :wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilMog007
That's not going to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by voltz
Um, still work at VC. Financially, VC is probably in better hands at Take-Two.Quote:
Originally Posted by bahn
And this deal isn't all crap for SEGA. If you read the bottom of the article...
SEGA will get Asian publishing rights to Take-Two stuff, possibly including Grand Theft Auto (a deal Capcom previously had). Though I have no idea why SEGA would want to release arcade cabinets in Japan featuring American sports.Quote:
The companies said Sega will distribute "select Take-Two published software titles in the Asian region including Japan," as well as bring sports titles developed by Visual Concepts "to amusement machines produced and distributed by Sega Amusements" in Asia.
OutRun 2 retailed for $40, not $50. But yeah, the price being cut in half within a couple of months didn't help. While I can't say it's a good move for Sega right now, it certainly is a good one for gaming, and VC especially.
I'm just glad Visual Concepts is intact. Hoepfully they keep NBA rights since they, without question, make the best hoops games.
What, Sega didn't think Floigan Brothers 2 wouldn't be able to fill Visual Concepts development vacuum?
You mean Floigan Brothers: episode 2
yeah, that's what i said.
Sega didn't publish Outrun 2 in the US. MS did.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilMog007
Instead, Sega published Blood Will Tell, which sold under a thousand copies in the US.
Personally, I don't know anything that Sega could have brought out in the US recently that could have made them a significant profit. Good or bad, all of their games have sold next to nothing lately.
And made less than half the revenue, imagine that. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
As long a I still have my NBA 2k games im cool...
THIS JUST IN - EA INVENTS TIME TRAVELQuote:
Originally Posted by JMET
I wonder if Sega will sell Yuji Naka next.
That piece of shit isn't even worth that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geen
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Originally Posted by Geen
No, they had quality games in spades. A lot of them were from VC though, which isnt part of Sega anymore. So the only thing this would do is decrease their amount of quality games.Sega just needs to force some taste into people. This gen, not including the DC, they had like pretty much more solid games than just abotu anyone else. Say what you want about your style or game genre preference but VF4, VF4 EVO, PDO, NHL2k3/4 , Outrun 2, VC3, etc. All of them either completely solid or the best games in their respective genres or both. With VF4, NHL, and VC 3 pretty much factually, no doubt about it, being the best games in their genres. You can also argue that Shinobi is how action games should be made. The perfect balance of skill and difficulty progression that culminates into the last level testing you thoroughly on everything you learned. Thats how great game design used to be, and Shinobi represents that better than any other action game this gen IMO. Although games like NG destroy it in eveyrthing else except balance. Not to mention games like blood will tell, gungrave OD, and feel the magic are actually good games.
Like I said many times before. If you dont like the direction a versatile developer makes, it doesnt mean they are bad developers. It just means that they didnt make the type of games you like this year or the year before.
PS. Yeah yeah yeah. I know you dont like sports games and fighting games blah blah. Square never sucked before because I dont like RPGs. I know they had some quality games despite me not liking RPGs. Open your eyes buddy. Just because those games arent PS5 and Streets of Rage 2 etc., it doesnt mean they arent quality.
Not quite.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilMog007
More like 2002.
VC should make One 2. Or maybe just call it Two. Or whatever.
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Originally Posted by Jeremy
Sega didn't cut that price, Microsoft did. They're the publisher of that title.
Wait...I thought Sega Sports was respected and good?Quote:
Originally Posted by omfgninjas
Ahh man there goes the best sports publisher of the last five years. Now I guess Publishing wise, its gonna fall on take two.
EA can go fuck themselves for this football bullshit
I meant, as long as they continue the series.... nice try on teh funnies though...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
Agreed. I can't wait until EA crashes and burns harder than Sega ever did.Quote:
Originally Posted by youandwhosearmy
Tracer, I never said Sega published it. I was referencing the topic at hand when I mentioned "Sega", and correcting OR 2's retail price before that.
You don't have to say that anymore, it's pretty much implied.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMET
There's no denying that Sega has put out a lot of quality product. The only problem is, most people aren't getting it, or there's no hype surrounding the titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Canuck
I still plan on picking up Shinobi and Outrun 2 (Rented it and had a blast). I'm also planning on picking up both Otogi and Otogi 2.
This deal was in the works for sometime. When Take-Two agreed to publish the Sega Sports titles, they did so with the intent of eventually buying Visual Concepts. I thought everyone knew about this?Quote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
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Originally Posted by gamevet
With 3DO and Acclaim gone, Sega is the worst 3rd party out there. And yea, I know about Midway.
Panzer Dragoon Orta, Sonic Advance and Otogi disagree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Good job naming one good but overrated game (that came out two and a half years ago, thats some quality output), and 2 shitty ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by toby
989 Studios is the worst!
989 is a first party, and one of the worst developers out there, easily.
Besides ICO and Gran Tourismo, what good first party games has SCEI released this generation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
Since I only enjoy Ico out of that listing, I'll go with none that I can think of.
What's funny is whenever sega puts out a game that can be recegnized for quality, it usually turns out to be at the top of it's genre among it's competitors.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
I liked Outrun 2...
As did many. The math stuff was incredibly creative.
Thanks to EA buying the exclusive NFL license, VC's value dropped dramatically too. T2 only paid about $24m for them... somehow in all of this only Sega got screwed (as usual).
Nono... they screwed themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by jarrod
...again. :(
Out Run 2 SP is going in mine as well whenever it hits the Xbox- I'm wondering what they'll think up for the Mission Mode in this one. Sega needs to drop the VC3 bomb sometime in 2005- there's already a gun out on the market, and all that needs to be made is a pedal (either with a pass-through cable to plug the gun into, or with player 1 using ports 1 and 2 for gun and pedal respectively).Quote:
Originally Posted by voltz
OTOGI is better than WarCraft 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
By a wide margin.
Of course this will depend on yoru definition of good, and your definition of first party (developed or published?), but...Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
ATV Offroad Fury (series)
Amplitude
Ape Escape 2
Dark Cloud 2
Downhill Domination
FantaVision
Frequency
Gran Turismo 3 A-spec
ICO
Jak series
Killzone
Parappa The Rapper 2
Ratchet and Clank series
SOCOM: U.S. Navy Seals series
The Getaway
The Mark of Kri
Twisted Metal: Black
WRC series
War of the Monsters
First party would be stuff done by studios they own, like TM: B and War of the Monsters, which slipped my mind, but would definitely fit the bill, and are quality games. Jak and Daxter...eh, the first is okay, haven't played the last two, nor do I really care to. The Mark of Kri was also fantastic.
Your opinions on videogames are as shitty and wrong as your opinions on politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
ATV Offroad Fury (series) I did'nt like the first one.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
Amplitude The demo was okay, but I'd take Rez over this.
Ape Escape 2 Never played the original. Was this game as good?
Dark Cloud 2 I've heard it's alright, nothing great though.
Downhill Domination Snowboarding? SSX is better.
FantaVision Still sitting in my pile of shame. Mixed reviews on this one.
Frequency See Amplitude
Gran Turismo 3 A-spec Good title, like I said.
ICO Like GT3, good title.
Jak series I'm not going to bother playing this Mario/Sonic clone.
Killzone Tries to be Halo, fails from what I've heard.
Parappa The Rapper 2 This cow was milked dry at Lammy Jammy.
Ratchet and Clank series Same as Jak
SOCOM: U.S. Navy Seals series Borrows from the Counterstrike/Rainbow 6 mentality.
The Getaway It's no Grand Theft Auto.
The Mark of Kri Looks like a good game. Might buy it on the cheap.
Twisted Metal: Black Time to bury this dead horse.
WRC series Nothing stands out about this title, to make it the best.
War of the Monsters Hasn't this been done enough times already?
LOL. Mountain biking, asshat. And the game rules. Play it sometime before you talk shit about it. Also... if you would take Sonic Heroes and Mario Sunshine over R&C3 you need to seek professional help. Immediately.Quote:
Downhill Domination Snowboarding? SSX is better.
That's why I put the question mark. I remember the commercial now. Guy is talking about wax for his car and bam bicycle hits the roof. Sorry, but that style of game is getting old. Replace the snowboarder with a bicycle. Yawn!Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Same with Sonic Heroe. I quit playing that shit with the first Sonic Adventure game. This mascot driven bullshit has to stop.
Well then give him the name of your doctor. You're both idiots. I don't like Sega because everytime I buy something of theirs they give up on it or the game has a bajillion annoying invisible walls and limited control, but atleast Sunshine had good gameplay and control. It was the fruity theme that ruined it (something I'm surprised you guys didn't enjoy).Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Punny!Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
I liked Sunshine. I knew I'd get a quality platformer, when I bought it. When it comes to Ratchet and Clank and the simular ilk, I'm just not going to go out and buy the 100th clone of every other platformer out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
I may have grew up on mario, but I'll sure as hell be dammed if I add any of that kiddy crap to my library.
...how do you even compare the two?Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Now that I think about this, I'm finally going to stop putting off buying a football game and nab NFL2k5 while it still exists.
This is factually incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Sonic is still okay 2D. However Picking Ratchet( The worst platformer clone ever) over Mario is insane. What do you do in Ratchet besides shoot and collect coins? Again and again and again. Mario may look kiddy ,but a toddler can beat Ratchet and Clank 3( online or not)
Wait...you collect coins in Ratchet & Clank? Oh man, I can't believe it...I've been playing all three of these games since they came out, and for the life of me I haven't collected one damned coin in any of them. I must be approaching it all wrong!Quote:
Originally Posted by toby
Please, dear sage of video gaming, tell me how I can collect the coins in these games!
And yet you can't. Amazing, indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by toby
I'm not going to claim that every one of those games is gold, but that breakdown proves that you haven't played a single one of them other than Gran Turismo and ICO. Way to completely make shit up to prove a very weak point.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
I've played ATV offroad. The tracks are boring, as is the racing.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
I've played Frequency. It came with my PS2 Network Adapter.
Yeah, SOCOM is the best selling Online game for the PS2, but it's not my style of gaming.
Games like Ratchet and Clank/ Jax and Daxter don't interest me.
I agreed that Mark of Kri looks like a solid title and that many people have given it praise.
I've played the original Twisted Metal games on the Playstation. I really can't see what is so great about that series. Black hasn't done anything, to improve on the simple gameplay.
I own both Parappa The Rapper and Um Jammer Lammy. Like the Pun wasn't enough evidence of it. Parappa is dead. You won't see another of this one.
Can you say, that you've played every Sega game this generation?
No, and it wasn't my point that I had. You asked, "Besides ICO and Gran Tourismo, what good first party games has SCEI released this generation?" I offered some possible choices.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
I agree with 2 of those titles (SOCOM and Mark of Kri), the rest are just average titles IMO. ICO and GT are great as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
Again, you admitted that you haven't played any of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
Read again.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
I've played enough of Parappa to know I've had enough of that series. Same with Twisted Metal. I've sold ATV offroad last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
So you admit to having played 5 out of 28 games?
You listed 19. Okay 23 with series numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
I mentioned twenty-eight.
Make that 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
You are now officially an authority.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
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Originally Posted by diffusionx
Yeah, the best hockey game, a great football game, and a great basketball game coming out fairly recently is considered shitty output. Yeah, they are horrible developers compared to other third parties with lower a lower output of quality games. I mean blizzard and shit only make like 3 games a generation.
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Originally Posted by Andrew
You are playing all the worng Sega games if you think they have limited controls and small scope. the sky is the limit on gameplay options in NHL2k5 and VF4.
Why is Otogi even dragged into this conversation? It's not made by Sega, though it shows how low the company has sunk if you have to reach out to games they just published and didn't actually make.
It's a good thing the guys at Sega are giving people what they want, instead of things with no audience like Phantasy Star 5.
As near as I can tell, they themselves have made 3 really good games since the Dreamcast - VF4, PDO & Shinobi. I'd say that's a rate of 1 per year, except none of them came out last year.
Only Phantasy Star Universe, Shenmue Online and Sonic:The Annual Update can save the company now...can somebody PM me when that finally happens?
While Rachet & Clank 1-3 might arguably be better games than Mario Sunshine, they're certainly not better platformers. Mario Sunshine's void levels are literally the best example of 3D platforming in all of gaming.
Oh and Sony's 1st party studios are criminally underrated... except Naughty Dog, they're the opposite.
This is SEGA. Expect the unexpected, and gaze at the repercussions.Quote:
Originally Posted by StriderKyo
Why would he play dozens of games from a company that he doesn't like?Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
Nope. This is Sammy. Expect Pachinko, gaze at "The Matrix Online"Quote:
Originally Posted by Geohound Omega
Well said. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildkat
Why would he not like a company when he doesn't hasn't played their games?Quote:
Originally Posted by Critical Overdrive
I don't entirely hate Sony Publishing. I enjoyed Wild Arms quite a bit. I just don't think of them as a very innovative publisher. Look at the list of games for the PS2. You have Jak 1-3, ATV 1-3, Rathet and Clank 1-3, the worst sports titles on the market and a mass budget of advertising, to push the sad crap into the homes of sheeple who buy it. If I can't recall some of the Sony games I've tried, it's probably because I was not impressed with it in the first place. And yes, I do recall playing Ape Escape 2 (Disk 71)on one of my demo disks. I didn't care for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
I'm sorry if you don't agree, but at least a company like Sega takes risks to bring something different to the market place. Sony's software publishing would have parished, if not for the huge marketing push behind their products and Sony's money to back them.
VF4 has ridiculous proportions and I don't buy sports games very often. One hockey game very 3 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Canuck
Yea, Im sure glad we have Sega nowadays, and their craptaculous output of games. Like, you know, all the shitty, franchise-wrecking versions of Virtual On, Crazy Taxi, Sonic The Hedgehog, Jet Set Radio, and Phantasy Star. Seriously, would you take Amazing Island or Astro Boy PS2 over any one of the games that MarkRyan mentioned? Are you insane? R&C3 might be slightly derivative (and if its derivative of anything, its not Mario, its fucking Fur Fighters, and we need more Fur Fighters games on God's green earth) but its a hell of a lot better than anything Sega has put out in a looooong time.Quote:
I'm sorry if you don't agree, but at least a company like Sega takes risks to bring something different to the market place. Sony's software publishing would have parished, if not for the huge marketing push behind their products and Sony's money to back them.
I've said earlier in the thread, that I didn't care for the Sonic Adventure series. Jet Grind Radio is a cool game and I enjoyed Phantasy Star Online when it was on the DC.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Crazy Taxi was innovative when it first came out, you even see Simpsons games copying the formula. Sega is guilty of overkill on CT series though.
Yeah, Astro Boy on the PS2 sucks, but the GBA version has received high praise.
You take the time to list the drivel, but how about titles like Gun Valkyrie, Shinobi, VF4, PDO, ESPN series(EA killed it, not Sega), Super Monkey Ball or F-Zero GX?
Those games all came out in 2002 or verrry early in 2003 (Orta - 1/13/03), with the exceptio of F-Zero GX (which I think is overrated anyway) and ESPN (which Sega just sold away to Take 2 for magic beans). Sega was maybe a decent game developer back in 2002, but theyre not anymore. Which is my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
And Treasure developed Astro Boy GBA. Sonic Team developed Astro Boy PS2.
Sega still published the titles. Much like what Sony did as well. Sony just bought up the developers that were doing good business for them. Psygnosis?Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
RnC 3 is bleh. I finished it, of course, but it was still bleh
If youre gonna do it like that, then you better take credit for F-Zero GX away from Sega and give it to Nintendo.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet