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So, due to the other thread being locked (BRILLIANT!) I decided to make another.
So far, I've only seen the beginningmovie, but apparantly Nina was contaced by MI6 to do some dirty work, and infiltrate an underground fighting tournament on a cruise ship. So far all of the dialogue has been in english. I'll give more impressions later.
Movie? Game? Link?
wtf.
I think you get to kill people in this game.
If you can bear the controls you do.
The left analog stick moves nina, the right analog stick flings her appendages in the direction you move it.
WTF?
Sounds like that Jet-Li game. Which sucked.
That's exactly how it plays.
In other news, I just made some dude's rib cage explode, and I punched him in the heart.
Are you referring to Rise to Honor, the sucky part, or both?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chux
Rise to Honor had a lot of potential but only showed off in one location during the entire game. Damn shame, too.
Well, I'm talking control wise, and she moves really slow too...
Protip: Don't buy this game.
Protip: It may not be worth spending a DVD-R on (for all you pirates in the crowd).
Is this game some sick joke? It's a spinoff from another franchise for no good reason (except to have an ugly lead character), the game can not decide if it wants to clone Rise to Honor or Resident Evil, navigiating through the UI is a pain in the ass (three second load times on everything? WTF?), the camera fucks up boss battles and random assorted fights with grunts, and the combat both manages to be both too simple (you can just flail on the sticks with some success) and too complex (the overloading of commands on two sticks + L1 + L2 + R1 is obscene). It even has a clone of the chest puzzles from Onimusha (instead of tiles, they are honeycomb puzzles... me want honeycomb!)
Chux: Holding X makes her run, and holding R2 puts the camera behind her while running (which is actually nice when you are just exploring, as long as you don't enter a 'locked camera' area, which is half the flippin game).
-Dippy
Dipstick:
Well... shit :| My bubble has certainly been bursted. But thank you for warning me though, because I was going to buy this game just due to the Tekken association and the fact that some of the weapons and attacks seemed pretty cool.
I was wary of the control scheme after hearing about the Rise To Honor system, but after reading what you said, it looks like I had so much more to be concerned about.
He's right... she turns around Resident Evil style...
This is depressing, but not entirely surprising.
This months PLAY magazine (with Castlevania on the cover) has a poster of DbD, and a very favorable review. Like 3.5 out of 4 favorable.
To be fair, Play, while I like it as a magazine, and is printed on great paper, tends to always overshoot the scores on games.
I'm curious as to what the pros and cons they mentioned were though.
PLAY raves about completely random (read: sponsored) stuff, though? Or am I screwed in the head? I guess it is my word against theirs right now... :P For the curious, EGM scored this a 5/5/6, and PSM gives it a 7. Of those, EGM is probably on-point (and PSM, if you factor in the fact that they score everything high, even for a videogame magazine).Quote:
Originally Posted by Korly
The game does have 'great' boss battles though. One I just did involved you fighting against an illusion of Lila... in your nightmares. The backdrop is a plane crash just outside of Rochester, NY, and Nina has to protect Loli Nina ((un?)fortunately, she's dressed for survival in the frigid wastelands of Rochester... or Russia, your choice) from zombie soldiers (who may or may not have been originally assaulting Nina back in her childhood) while fighting off (or breaking the many bones of) an illusion of Lila, who is throwing pink homing shit at you. Oh yeah, if the zombies get to Loli Nina, you take damage (so don't let them eat her... or you... whatever).
Are they trying to nail every videogame stereotype ever in one boss battle (zombies, snow levels, nightmare sequences, hot spicy loligasms, homing pink shit, etc.)? Jeez!
And yet I still feel compelled to play it... I really might despise my own life, or I ran out of yarn to knit me some sweaters.
-Dippy
Wether the score is overshot or not, they rate other stuff pretty low in this issue (Getaway: Black Monday comes to mind) and other stuff pretty high (Oddworld got a perfect score, and Shadow of Rome got a 3.5 out of 4).
Plus, it's Tekken, so I haven't given up hope. (Fuck off Yoshi)
Rise to Honor had a lot of potential. You know what would be neat? Mix Prince of Persia and Rise to Honor to make a Jackie Chan game. Some tweaks and it could be pretty bad ass.
All the gameplay videos of this game robbed me of any hope I once had. Bleh. I don't even feel like trying this one. Everything looks so stiff, slow and unnatural from what I saw. Maybe that changed closer to release, but from what we're hearing here, I doubt it. It looked like the anti-DMC. Fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korly
This game was a really stupid idea to begin with, looked stupid when screens first came out, and sounds really stupid now. Nice job Namco picking an absolutly uninteresting character to make a game around. They have a very large cast of characters to choose from the Tekken universe and they pick her.
I think she has really cool character designs and CG models in the game but that's pretty much it. I was hoping this wouldn't suck ass but it seems to hit the mediocre mark quite nicely.
Will's right.
They could have made a Paul Phoenix motorcycle sim...
Tits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clash_Master
Don't forget ass.
Once again Tecmo > Namco.
I think they should make games based around each of their characters. The possiblities are endless.
He's in Cyber Cycles- so bringing an update of that over to PS2 would probably be good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chux
Another one I'd like to see is a Lei Wulong action title with some GunCon battles. After some third person hand-to-hand combat, the game could switch to first person for gunplay with a cutscene of Lei drawing his gun as a signal for the player to switch to the GunCon.
I'm still going to give DBD a shot, but unfortunately I'm not too thrilled with the idea of Resident Evil turning. I've bought most games outright lately but may rent this one first.
I had no idea he's in Cyber Cycles, my local Fuddruckers has that game, but it looked so atrocious.
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Originally Posted by Tracer
lol
ironic in the fact that namco cant do a secondary spinoff title and make it play good, while even thinking about what the hell tecmo would do with it's spinoff characters(no; ninja gaiden doesnt count as it was around PRIOR to doa)
i mean christ, with such a small amount of actual story; you could do damn near anything with those horrible doa characters and it would sell based on the character recognization alone. just imagine some SUPER HAPPY FUN BURGER TIME KASUMI!!! or TINA'S CHAMPIONSHIP WATER POLO!1!
seriously, fuck companies that continually try to whore out their characters in spinoff titles. we should have known this wouldnt work for namco due to how shitty their Tekken Force games have played(and the plot sounds like something out of a Uwe Boll movie). STICK TO WHAT YOU'RE GOOD AT NAMCO.
i swear to god i'll fucking quit playing games if they bring out a christie montiero action game(5 bucks says it'd be like Star Tropics)
Yeah, fuck Nintendo.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrWhitefolks
I'd buy DOA spinoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrWhitefolks
I'd buy Kasumi.
IAWTPQuote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
Ninja Gaiden IS a DOA spin-off, since Itagaki took the character and gave him an original story not relating to the original games in any way AFAIK.
I would definitely rent DbD over purchasing it. I'm currently seven hours in, and have gotten used to how everything works. IMO the game wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the Resident Evil-style "fixed" camera angles found throughout the game. Most of the time, this doesn't get in the way when fighting, but when it does... :yuck:Quote:
Originally Posted by gameoverDude
The game play is actually pretty nice, though. I do have a problem with the analog sticks being used for double tap motions, which can make rolling (needed to avoid gunfire) a pain, but overall it works better than I expected it to. There's no RE turning to be found, BTW. Nina moves quickly, and since you can attack in any direction no matter which way you are facing, it's never a problem anyway.
I'd describe DbD as a Resident Evil clone with a combination of Tekken Force and Rise To Honor for the game play set-up; it feels more like a BEU with adventure elements than an adventure game with BEU elements to me. I would have preferred a straight-out BEU game over anything remotely resembling a RE game, as a matter of fact.
Loved the "Time Crisis" sniping section. :)
There's nothing wrong with spin-off games. That's not the issue. The issue is that the game is supposed to be somewhat poor.
If the game was excellent, this wouldn't even be an issue. The fact is, the main reason Nina was picked is because she is the most versatile and action oriented in terms of storyline. Most of the characters in Tekken are exclusively martial artists, save for Lei Wulong and Anna Williams, as previously mentioned. Nina is a freaking assassin, she's a weapons expert and she's got a sister who is in the same boat.
It checks out enough to merit its own spin-off game, just as much as Ryu Hayabusa's game did. The difference is that Ryu Hayabusa's game, aside from a few issues, plays like greased lightning. This doesn't.
So basically what I'm saying is, don't confuse the issue. Don't use Nina's 'generic' character as a strike against her, because with a storyline to fill her out, like the kind you'd find in a game like this, that point is moot too. Place the blame solely where it lies, on the game sucking.
If a Guncon game with Lei Wulong sucked, which it undoubtedly would outside of arcades, it'd be the same thing. And the idea of a guncon game that switches between fighting and guncon is far too tricky to pull off effectively. What are you going to do, swith contollers in transition?
Finally finished this game, and I want those twelve hours back. Sometimes I wonder if I play games because I secretly despise myself.
It must be said that the camera blows massive amounts of ass. People rag on RE's control setup, but with the fixed cameras the game uses that control scheme works more consistently than this. Since the directions are absolute, if you cross a camera change plane in the world, the directions your attacks go change with it. So if you get surrounded by enemies next to one of these borders, you are more or less guaranteed to take damage. The only way this is not massively frustrating is that the amount of health items enemies drop is proportional to the amount you have on hand (the less you have the more you get), and the fact that you do not have to be exactly precise or complicated with your attacks (you can finish the entire game with just your basic attacks, and I never could learn how to properly throw people. Heh.)
Then there is some cheezy damage the game hands you, where you walk into a couple rooms and get assaulted by a squad of ninjas before the screen fades in. This may be 'realistic' (or plausable, anyway), but damn is it frustrating.
What I love is how enemies can block your attacks all day but you can't passively block shit. For normal grunts this is a non-issue (you can throw them, and the ones you can not throw can not block either) but bosses will abuse the shit out of this since you can not throw them. At least you can parry attacks (which feels really natural, actually -- suprised at how well it works).
The sniping is done really well, though. Actually feels like it could be part of a decent console FPS. Even has the Time Crisis-style hide/reload command (not nearly as reflexive, though).
I also must emphasise how Nina looks like someone woke her up that morning by beating her face with a crowbar. What the fuck happened?
Ulitmately, this is a game that could have ended up as something really good given another six months of development. Alas, we have a game whose production values are all over the place. Decent graphics (expecially the CG, the movies look damn good), but repetetive and annoying as hell music; controls that sometimes feel really fine tuned and excessively sloppy (the camera!!); parts of the game that are filled with interesting sequences intersperced with dead air (yeah, go across the ship to access a computer terminal because we have nothing better to do... bleh), and the storyline is completely nonsensical (Earth is at the mercy of a giant gas attack!!! From the bottom of the ocean!!! And the red button is controlled by a crazy Chinese bitch!!! I wish I was making this up.)
As an aside, Tecmo would have my interest instantly if they made a DoA spinoff game with Kasumi or Hitomi (even if it was something inane like a cooking sim, dating sim, or a cooking-dating-rape sim...)
-Dippy
Was there any storyline stuff related to Tekken? Or could you not tell since this is the Japanese version?
All the story sequences are in English.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korly
Like Tekken's story makes any sense half of the time?
I was interested in this, as I always thought Nina was a cool character, but this just sounds all kinds of bad. Thanks for the impressions, Dipstick.
So I guess Mortal Kombat: Special Forces remains the best fighting game spinoff ever.
http://www.ebgames.com/ebx_assets/pr...ges/166289.jpg
Oh yea.
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
I prefer Street Fighter 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Just finished DbD; took me 16 hours to complete. Two of those hours were spent running around trying to figure out what to do next in certain parts of the game. :sweat: I definitely like the game more than I did when I first started it; if you can stand the camera angles, give it a rent.
Finishing the game unlocks several modes:
Anna mode- Play as Anna Williams, who is working for Heihachi Mishima. She seems to be a clone of Nina; not seeing any original moves for her.
Challenge mode- Complete various challenges (beat up 30 guys in a certain time, etc.) for medals.
Sniper mode- Complete challenges using the sniper rifle.
Stingray mode- Manuever the stingray device (a flying mini camera) through various challenges
Music mode- listen to the soundtrack and view one of six pictures (concept art) for each track. The sixth picture for each song is locked; I assume beating the other modes will unlock them.
You also get an outfit bag that you can access in the main game at any time; it lets you change between the various outfits Nina wears during the course of the game. I hear you can unlock additional outfits. Namco definitely did a good job with the extra content.
Now it's onto the next mediocre game- Nanobreaker! :bang:
Nanobreaker is another game I'm pretty excited to play.
According to these shots, Heihachi is in the game (he has gauntlets that look kind of like the ones he had in SCII), and maybe even, Kazuya?
Can anyone who's played the game tell me what's going on with Kazuya?
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/a...id=13949&stc=1
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/a...id=13950&stc=1
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/a...id=13951&stc=1
That Kazuya shot looks like it's from the Tekken 5 intro.
That's what I thought, but it's on some Japanese site with all of these other Nina pics, and the filename was nina38 or something.
That's why I asked here, 'cause I know at least one person has beaten the game.
I don't know where the first shot is from -- if I had to take a wild guess, it was from the one scene where one of the bad guys was talking about their evil plans with Heihachi... but I do not remember what is shown in the graphic occuring in-game.
The second one is from one of the sniping challenges you unlock once you beat the game.
The third one is from the T5 trailer.
-Dippy
Perhaps the first shot is from the Anna Williams bonus game? It's definitely NOT from the main game (Heihachi's head is only shown on a monitor), and it's clearly the "younger" Heihachi from the game, too.
Maybe I should play through the Anna game now.
With that big black moustache Heihachi looks like Borat.
IGN review. They didn't like it.
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/584/584138p1.html
I didn't like it either, but Korly wanted to play it so I brought it over his house. He played it while the peanut gallery threw scathing comments at it, which was in fact, better than playing the game.
Read up on the Tekken 5 demo included in the game. Apparently you're limited to one-player only and choice of Asuka or Raven..the two new characters.
It's official..there is nothing good to be found in Death By Degrees :link: .
Tekken Bowling is still the best Tekken spin-off game ever. Unless they announce Xtreme Nude Putt-Putt or something(Then again knowing Namco they'd screw it up by only making Ganryu playable...Sumo Wrestler yech)
I only played the first 15 minutes, which weren't spectacular, but I'm not willing to give up on it yet. Besides, I didn't really understand what all the control were (doing the bone breakers, using weapons, etc.) so it might get much better once I understand that.
Haters.
EDIT: I just read the IGN review, and now I guess I'm ready to accept that Halverson is totally full of shit in his review of this game from PLAY magazine, because he never really mentioned this:
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Originally Posted by IGN
You don't have a job, you shouldn't waste your money on trash.
Aye, touche.
I just found out I'll be getting this for review, and if the game ends up sucking as much as it seems to, I'll still be able to enjoy the Tekken 5 demo.
Samurai Spirits RPG for Neo CD.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
I was going to sat Mortal Kombat Mythologies feat. Sub Zero on the N64.
I find DbD so boring that, in fact, talking about it is also boring. With that said.
I want the following from Tecmo:
FIRST: They should show Namco how to make a spinoff game using your assassin character. This means Christie. Perhaps it can be Dead to Rights-ish with the use of her Panther in parts. I'm not sure the NG formula would work - but something fast, easy to control but hard to master seems like something well within Tecmo's range. Something like Oni but with less repitition and shaped up controls would be ideal I think. Joust Williams will complain about its camera.
SECOND: I will require an Outrun style game with more vaired environments and a more open-ended structure with lots of minigames included (not unlike DOA:XBV, but with more detail). Instead of some guy and some chick in a ferrari like in Outrun, it should be Tina and Hitomi driving cross country in halter tops. Halter tops? Yeah... with polka dots. They can stop in marked ares and minigames can be played. GOTY.
THIRD: Leon needs his own game. He's by far the most overlooked character in the series. Since he's a mercenary this should be a fucking no-brainer. In this game, we can find out how his wife/signifigant other died and why. Why, being "why was she in the fucking desert wearing a sweater," (see DOA2 story mode).
FOURTH: Ninja Gaiden sequel. Easy.
FIFTH: Ninja Gaiden clone feat. Kasumi. Ayane can/should have a bigger role in this too.
SIXTH: A modern-day Streets of Rage style game with the illogical pairings of Bass, Ein and Zach. Zach will be to this game as the Kangaroo was to SOR3.
Any other games are icing. A more elaborate Volleyball game would be nice.. with the ability to actually explore the island and many more non-volleyball related minigames and passtimes available. Hold 'em in the Casino for instance. Four player Volleyball and better controll over the actual volleyball would be nice too. Keeping a partner should be more an option rather than a nessessity. I was also pretty disappointed seeing the strawberry feeding in the intro, yet none of it in the actual game. I thought the potential for that as a minigame was huge.
This is my post.
I always said, if they add intuitive, fun gun play to the NG engine, they'd have the best game ever made (though I personally think NG is way up there already).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tracer
I fucking AWTP.Quote:
THIRD: Leon needs his own game. He's by far the most overlooked character in the series. Since he's a mercenary this should be a fucking no-brainer. In this game, we can find out how his wife/signifigant other died and why. Why, being "why was she in the fucking desert wearing a sweater," (see DOA2 story mode).
IAWTPQuote:
FOURTH: Ninja Gaiden sequel. Easy.
...IAWTPQuote:
SIXTH: A modern-day Streets of Rage style game with the illogical pairings of Bass, Ein and Zach. Zach will be to this game as the Kangaroo was to SOR3.
BTW, I think tekken is fucked in the head and you're all even more fucked in the head if you were expecting this spin off to be good.
What the hell does that even mean? Tekken has a head? It has mental problems? It's unstable?Quote:
Originally Posted by arjue
The only time I thought that about Tekken is when Heihachi strolled out in a thong diaper to fight you in 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by arjue
That was pretty disturbing, that Mishima family is fucked up. I'm coming into this game expecting it to at least be as good as the Tekken Force mode in Tekkens 3 and 4, and if it can't even hit that low standard, yikes.
You're gonna be disappointed.
Hehe, I wouldn't be surprised if I was, although really, nothing I've seen of this game impresses me. It'll make for great trade-in fodder though, if nothing else.
How about not buying it altogether? You can't possibly make a profit from this.
Oh, STOP. The game can't be worse than Tekken Force mode.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chux
…can it?
Dude. Tekken Force is GOTY compared to this.
Joust, I'm not buying it, I'm getting it sent to me for review. Chux, hehe, I expected that, and I doubt this game will be as tongue-in-cheek as that. I do hope it doesn't suffer from the same camera issues at T4's Force mode did, so I'm sure it does, and they're worse.
It's got something to do with him being suicidal. The "diaper" means something in the Japanese culture. Maybe Shidoshi or someone can help me out with this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
I thought it had something to do with him being ready to die.
Holy shit, GameFAQs has been jizzed all over by Namco.
YES TO ALL THREE QUESTIONS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korly
Ugh, looks like they found a way to prevent Adblock's (Firefox extension) ad-blocking awesomeness. I smell an extension update to block background images.Quote:
Originally Posted by AstroBlue
Well, at least it's not prevalant throughout the entire site (for now).
Eh, it at least fits the color scheme, unlike some other ones.
Your adblock settings are too tight. I tend to block entire subdomanins (usually ad-running servers), and all I get on GameFAQ's main page is two black bars down the sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowdisease
-Dippy
You're right. I wasn't filtering the master domain of where the image was coming from. Gamefaqs was a bit sneaky in revealing the background image's true address (I tried to copy the image location URL subdomain into Adblock, but that wasn't its true location). It took a look at Tools -> Page Info to find out where the image was really coming from. Now I too have black bars running down the Gamefaqs.com's homepage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dipstick
TAKE THAT, INTERNET COMMERCIALISM!
You people are gonna hate it when the internet isn't free anymore.
Seriously, and this ad set isn't even that bad. It's much better than the one that changed the site's color scheme to red. I can't wait for this game to arrive, I can just sense the suck.
It isn't if you want to access it from home. Unless you access an unprotected wireless network, but that has costs in of itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korly
touche.
My copy of this arrived today. The demo for Tekken 5 is on a CD, so if your system can't play them, you're out of luck. Although since you can only have Raven vs. Yasuka (or something like that) fights, you're not missing much. I've watched the opening cutscene for the game, and I'll dig into the full game tomorrow. Very impressive cinematic, minus facial flesh, which is the lone thing that CG has yet to replicate all that well.
Edit - I finally got around to playing the game, and I kind of wish I hadn't. So far, the game has been mostly cutscenes (which would explain why the limited Tekken 5 demo needed to have its own disc) and what's there to play isn't all that fun. The camera systems suck. The standard one is bad, and the over-the-shoulder one isn't much better. The controls aren't that great either, although they are responsive for attacks, they're sloppy for everything else.
Yeah, pretty much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chux
I played Too Human this week, and it used the same awful control scheme as this, but without all the weird half taps and stuff.
I wonder if they officially licensed Benicio Del Toro for this, because if not someone should have called his lawyer.
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/tnl/att...1&d=1340552859
I couldn't find a picture of him looking straight at the camera, but anyone who's played this game or seen the trailer will know exactly what I'm talking about.
I appreciate how much of Ninas actual Tekken moveset they included in this game, but it's really horrible to actual control that using just the analog stick.
Why are you playing so many terrible games?Quote:
Originally Posted by Korly
Because korly has the taste of weeman and the masochism of Mzo.
Even I wouldn't play Too Human.
Too Human wasn't actually that bad, it just wasn't that good, either. It existed, I beat it, the story was shit but the gameplay almost had something worth the effort. Honestly it's just shelf filler, not good enough to be worth playing or bad enough to really dislike.
James