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10 Feb 2005, 02:00 PM
toxic

The Impossible Games Collection.

As I grow older, I realize that game designers have done the world a great favor. They have made games easier. Easier to learn, easier to beat ... and they even reward you for playing these games for hours (bonus characters and levels). This wasn't always the case.

I was a crazy completionist back in the NES days ... I think by 1990 (when I bought my Genesis) I had completed over 120 games.

Here is my list of the "games that got away"

DEADLY TOWERS:

http://www.allretrogames.com/nes/nesdeadlytowers.jpg
The cover art on this game was great. But there is a problem. This game gives you barely any direction, the control is shitty, and the game is repetitive. The graphics will make your eyes bleed, and there is nothing remotely rewarding about the game. I doubt it even has a proper ending. For some reason, at the time of its release, there was much else in the fantasy/action/adventure genre .. so I suffered through it.

SOLOMON'S KEY
http://chameleonsden.com/products/ni...lomons_key.jpg
One of the greatest games by TECMO for the 8-bit generation. 49 levels of mind bending puzzles. It's not bad enough that you have to plan out your moves, you also have things trying to kill you ... and oh yea .. you have 3 lives to do it with.
(Also, another TECMO game called MIGHTY BOMB JACK is pretty unforgiving also (but I think it had unlimited continues))

BATTLETOADS
http://chameleonsden.com/products/ni...attletoads.jpg
My memory is hazy on this one. It was a two week rental for me. I get a feeling there was one stage I couldn't master, and I threw in the towel (Might be that flying bike stage). After beating TMNT, I was feeling there was no side scroller I could not master. This game humbled me to no end.

UTILMA EXODUS (NES)
http://www.emulationstation.com/pics/sm_1115a.jpeg
The first Ultima falls under the "horribly broken" category. The magic system is rediculous, and the random encounters go from "one hit and dead" to "holy fucking impossible" within the same area! Everything about that game is unrelenting.

ATHENA (NES)
http://www.emulationstation.com/pics/sm_268a.jpeg
Another one of those shit-tastic side scrolling adventure games for the NES. Not only do you get weapon/armor upgrades that make no sense, the collision detection on some of the weapons is off. Making the game much harder than it should ever be. Factor in no continues, and you have a fine companion to Deadly Towers.

There are still difficult games today (Super Monkey Ball comes to mind) but with the emergence of the internet and strategy guides ... the idea of playing the same stage over and over again for 4 hours seems quaint.
10 Feb 2005, 02:04 PM
Joust Williams

Timelord
Truxton
Action Fighter

lots more ;o
10 Feb 2005, 02:10 PM
Fe 26

I recall the Gen's Gouls and ghost or ghost and goblins or whatever, being hard as fuck.
10 Feb 2005, 02:23 PM
Mzo

Battletoads is doable, I can still beat it now.

I'll back you up on Athena, though. The furthest I ever got was the sky level. 5, I think. That game was so bad =(
10 Feb 2005, 02:31 PM
Zerodash

Adventures of Batman and Robin on Genny= Hardest fucking game ever.

Also, Street Fighter...but that's just because the control sucks.
10 Feb 2005, 02:32 PM
Timber

Legendary Wings:

http://www.boomspeed.com/gigas2097/o...-Wings-box.jpg

It was the bane of my childhood. Someone bought it for me and I instantly loved it but even after years of trying to complete it I fell short. But I did complete the arcade version on one credit, the NES one was just cheaper in a lot of ways and it drove me insane.
10 Feb 2005, 02:34 PM
Fe 26

A lot of the genny games, preSonic were really hard.

A lot of them were ports of arcade games, and I guess it didn't dawn on them that they needed to remove the "you die and put more money in" factor.
10 Feb 2005, 02:35 PM
JMET

Solomons Key owned me completely...
10 Feb 2005, 02:38 PM
rezo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xeno G

Legendary Wings:

http://www.boomspeed.com/gigas2097/o...-Wings-box.jpg

It was the bane of my childhood. Someone bought it for me and I instantly loved it but even after years of trying to complete it I fell short. But I did complete the arcade version on one credit, the NES one was just cheaper in a lot of ways and it drove me insane.

I beat the NES one.

Only NES games I remember not being able to finish now are the ones with those "3D mazes". I'd always make it to them, and then become to bored and lost to ever get past them. Games like wizardry, and the second golgo 13(made it through the first one somehow)
10 Feb 2005, 02:39 PM
mollipen

Even putting in the code so that you didn't die when you were hit by enemies, I STILL could not beat Athena back when I played it. Inevidably, an enemy would hit me, I'd bounce backwards, and into a pit, falling to my death. That game was just stupid hard.

Target Earth for Genesis was another good one. ECM claimed that he beat it without using the cheat code, but I still to this day don't believe him.
10 Feb 2005, 02:41 PM
kingoffighters

Impossible Mission for 7800. It was impossible.
10 Feb 2005, 02:41 PM
Dipstick

Impossible Mission 2. The original release of the game really was impossible, as the key to get through the last door was behind said last door. Dof.

One random game I'm going to throw out is Legacy of the Wizard for the NES. That was built like a lot of old NES games, where once you knew what you had to do the game wasn't hard (just annoying) but until then GAAAH the game was impossible to figure out what the hell you had to do.

Deadly Towers is possible once you figure out how to glitch your way past the Dragon. After that, the biggest challenge is playing long enough without comitting suicide.. which is no small feat.

I'm just waiting for someone to throw out Marble Madness, because I can utterly obliverate that game (the NES version anyway, as odd as that sounds). :sweat:

-Dippy
10 Feb 2005, 03:20 PM
g0zen

Beyond the Beyond.

Enemies that level up with you + Underpowered Characters + Random Encounters EVERY FIVE STEPS + Insanely Annoying Puzzles = Unbeatable.
10 Feb 2005, 03:35 PM
Zerodash

I almost forgot about:

Mechwarrior 2: Ghost Bear's Legacy Yeah, fly into the belly of another dropship with jumpjets. Oh, and screwing up = falling into outer space.
Super Star Wars I gave up.
Turok 2 Save points? Good level design? I spent more time lost than killing things. :(
Kingdom Hearts I could have beat it. But the game was too tough for me to be able to enjoy the nolstagia. Given away.
10 Feb 2005, 03:37 PM
Lordmrw

I actually beat Deadly Towers back in the day. I was still in my "oh my god, videogames!" faze, and it never dawned on me that the game really sucked. I will never bother playing that piece of shit again. You know what game whipped my ass back in the day? Golgo 13. I've beaten games like Battletoads, the Immortal and such where it seemed like even God himself didn't want you to finish it, but fuck Golgo 13 and its first person mazes where every goddamn wall looks the same. I even tried making my own maps, but once I got to Act 6 or 7, don't remember which, I gave up.
10 Feb 2005, 03:37 PM
Bacon McShig

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zerodash

Adventures of Batman and Robin on Genny= Hardest fucking game ever.

Winnah.

It's really too bad, too, I love tAS and I'd really like to see all the stages.
10 Feb 2005, 03:55 PM
Zerodash

Someone 'round here (damned if I remember who or in what thread) claimed to have beaten Batman & Robin...without gamegenie
10 Feb 2005, 03:59 PM
Cowutopia

Anyone ever beat Gauntlet?

Quote:

Originally Posted by toxic

There are still difficult games today (Super Monkey Ball comes to mind) but with the emergence of the internet and strategy guides ... the idea of playing the same stage over and over again for 4 hours seems quaint.

I miss it. I have no willpower though, so if after 4 hours I still haven't got it, to the internet I go. Makes games so much shorter and less rewarding.
10 Feb 2005, 04:00 PM
Joust Williams

That's why I went back to a "no strategy guides" stance just recently. Games hold more value when they last longer.
10 Feb 2005, 04:01 PM
mollipen

Back in the day, I actually loved and beat the first Golgo 13 game. Damn that indeed was a hard game. And it's one of those games that you hate to play again, because at the time it was awesome, but now the way it looks and plays is just sort of sad.
10 Feb 2005, 04:01 PM
galvatron

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zerodash

Adventures of Batman and Robin on Genny= Hardest fucking game ever.

nuh huh. I beat it with a week of just playing 1 game a night until I exhausted all lives/ continues.

For me:

Battletoads: it was in reach as I did get to level 11 once and consistently got to level 10 (damned suction cup bike...), but I went off to college and left the NES home. Now I'd have to work back up to being that good.

Zanac: As I couldn't bear not getting fully powered up, including shooting the stone face for super weapons, and invoking the game's full wrath (it's got dynamic difficulty levels based on how well armed your ship was) needless to say I got worked.

R.C. Pro Am: How do you stop the one car from just taking off and zipping around the track?! Also, as I said earlier, I couldn't resist powering up, so I always spelled Nintendo and got my car into a the higher league and promptly got my behind kicked.

Cobra Triangle: no excuses, it was just beyond me. If it wasn't jumping a waterfall, it was getting all my swimmers kidnapped or getting worked by a sea monster.

There are others that I didn't beat/ didn't get far on, but that was because even as a kid I didn't play a game that didn't immediately appeal to me. I actually hated games like Metal Gear, TMNT, and Metroid since I wanted instant action...I thought "why play something crappy when you can beat contra again?"
10 Feb 2005, 04:06 PM
mollipen

Quote:

Originally Posted by toxic

There are still difficult games today (Super Monkey Ball comes to mind) but with the emergence of the internet and strategy guides ... the idea of playing the same stage over and over again for 4 hours seems quaint.

My problem with games today and strat guides is that there are too many games that require one in order to play it properly, or to find a lot of the extra stuff. Extras shouldn't be obvious, but damn, make them so that in playing, I could actually figure out about them. Too many games have like an item that you would almost never find at one exact point, and if you don't happen to just come across it, you completely miss out on getting the extra character or whatever.

I'm playing Star Ocean 3 now, and I think this game is guilty of this. You get to a point where progression is damn tough without creating items and new weapons, but you almost need a strategy guide to really get involved in that.
10 Feb 2005, 04:11 PM
epmode

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cowutopia

Anyone ever beat Gauntlet?

i'm 95% sure it's not possible, due to random level generation in later levels.
10 Feb 2005, 04:11 PM
galvatron

Quote:

Originally Posted by shidoshi

My problem with games today and strat guides is that there are too many games that require one in order to play it properly, or to find a lot of the extra stuff. Extras shouldn't be obvious, but damn, make them so that in playing, I could actually figure out about them. Too many games have like an item that you would almost never find at one exact point, and if you don't happen to just come across it, you completely miss out on getting the extra character or whatever.

Well, not only that, but I find I often think of the solution to a problem and not enter it correctly or just rule out the solution from over thinking things. Like in Elemental Gimmick Gear, there's a point where you roll into a ball and spin into a hole, but if you hit it from the wrong angle you just appear to spin against the hole as if it were just a texture on the wall...guess who gave up on the hole and wandered the maze for an hour. If there wasn't a FAQ to read, I'm sure I would've been even more pissed when I tried again and it magically worked.
10 Feb 2005, 04:13 PM
toxic

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mzo

Battletoads is doable, I can still beat it now.

I'll back you up on Athena, though. The furthest I ever got was the sky level. 5, I think. That game was so bad =(

I probably shouldn't have included Battletoads in my list. I have a history of problems with games that has vert-up or vert-down scrolling action (The later "falling" boards of Earthworm Jim comes to mind).

I also could have included many 16-bit shoot-em-ups. I just didn't have the skills required to beat those games. Legendary Wings is probably the hardest shmup I have beaten ... and I don't think that ranks as one of the hardest.

Another game that people list as "impossible", but I beat was Ghost and Goblins (Arcade and NES). I also beat Gauntlet .. but I think it took about 20 dollars worth of quarters and a few friends to do so.
10 Feb 2005, 04:16 PM
bbobb

What's with the lack of Chakan in this thread? That was easily one of the hardest games ever made... right up there with The Adventures of Batman & Robin.
10 Feb 2005, 04:27 PM
Mzo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zerodash

Someone 'round here (damned if I remember who or in what thread) claimed to have beaten Batman & Robin...without gamegenie

Regus. And I believe him. As long as you get the right weapon powerup and keep it, it's possible.

Quote:

Originally Posted by galvatron

Cobra Triangle: no excuses, it was just beyond me. If it wasn't jumping a waterfall, it was getting all my swimmers kidnapped or getting worked by a sea monster.

Cobra fucking Triangle, I never beat that one >=[

But I really liked it. Same with Snake, Rattle, and Roll... never beat that game but I love it. Fuck, Rare was so good back then.
10 Feb 2005, 04:28 PM
galvatron

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mzo

Regus. And I believe him. As long as you get the right weapon powerup and keep it, it's possible.

No game genie for me either... and since Regus and I agreed on the strategy, I believe him too.
10 Feb 2005, 04:30 PM
Mzo

Quote:

Originally Posted by toxic

Another game that people list as "impossible", but I beat was Ghost and Goblins (Arcade and NES).

I only beat the Saturn version of GnG (because of unlimited continues), but I did do it twice to see the real ending =/
10 Feb 2005, 04:44 PM
Cowutopia

Quote:

Originally Posted by epmode

i'm 95% sure it's not possible, due to random level generation in later levels.

I thought it was possible on the NES, just insanely difficult.
Don't you have to collect letters to form some password, and then you've got one shot to get it right or something like that? Then you face a boss?
10 Feb 2005, 04:49 PM
JMET

Quote:

Originally Posted by shidoshi

Even putting in the code so that you didn't die when you were hit by enemies, I STILL could not beat Athena back when I played it. Inevidably, an enemy would hit me, I'd bounce backwards, and into a pit, falling to my death. That game was just stupid hard.

Target Earth for Genesis was another good one. ECM claimed that he beat it without using the cheat code, but I still to this day don't believe him.

I beat Target Earth without cheating, TMNT, Snake Rattle and Roll.. all fell to my controller... yet Solomons Key still laughs at me... :(

Just remembered that I also beat Festers Quest, Clash At Demonhead, Goonies 2, which I also felt to be hard...
10 Feb 2005, 04:56 PM
dog$

Quote:

Originally Posted by galvatron

R.C. Pro Am: How do you stop the one car from just taking off and zipping around the track?! Also, as I said earlier, I couldn't resist powering up, so I always spelled Nintendo and got my car into a the higher league and promptly got my behind kicked.

RC Pro Am doesn't end.
Basically, once you get past Track 32 you've seen all the game has to offer. By the time you get to Track 64 the trophy case fills up and new trophys simply knock old ones off. Somewhere past 32, all three cars do the zippy-cheating shit too. The furthest I got was 70 something.
10 Feb 2005, 04:58 PM
Cowutopia

EP: Check this guy's walkthrough..
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/nes/file/gauntlet_b.txt

I certainly never beat it. Think the farthest I got was World 3 or 4. Then I realized I missed a clue and just turned it off.
10 Feb 2005, 05:42 PM
Rumpy

I could never land the fucking plane on the carrier in Top Gun for the NES. I might have done it once in the 1000 times I tried. God that annoyed the hell out of me. And Blaster Master. That shit just confused me and I couldn't get into it.

I could never land the fucking plane on the carrier in Top Gun for the NES. I might have done it once in the 1000 times I tried. God that annoyed the hell out of me. And Blaster Master. That shit just confused me and I couldn't get into it.
10 Feb 2005, 05:50 PM
Gohron

I was never able to beat any of the Contra games without the 30 lives code.
10 Feb 2005, 05:52 PM
kingoffighters

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rumpy

I could never land the fucking plane on the carrier in Top Gun for the NES. I might have done it once in the 1000 times I tried. God that annoyed the hell out of me. And Blaster Master. That shit just confused me and I couldn't get into it.

Memories..... I could only land the plane once or twice, ever.... And have gotten to stage 4 maybe once or twice as well (probably coincides with me landing the damn plane). So freaking hard yet I tried and tried again.
10 Feb 2005, 05:53 PM
Mzo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gohron

I was never able to beat any of the Contra games without the 30 lives code.

The only one I never did straight was the hardest difficulty in the Alien Wars. I used the ol' rubber band on the controller trick to rack up points for 30 lives for both players -_o
10 Feb 2005, 06:02 PM
g0zen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gohron

I was never able to beat any of the Contra games without the 30 lives code.

A couple of friends of mine did it and taped it. They made me watch it. I made fun of them.
10 Feb 2005, 06:04 PM
Chux

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mzo

Regus. And I believe him. As long as you get the right weapon powerup and keep it, it's possible.

Cobra fucking Triangle, I never beat that one >=[

But I really liked it. Same with Snake, Rattle, and Roll... never beat that game but I love it. Fuck, Rare was so good back then.

I swear I was fighting the last boss on Snake, Rattle, and Roll for like 45 minutes, it must have been a glitch.

I never got around to beating Milon's Secret Castle.
10 Feb 2005, 06:05 PM
PKBMax

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cowutopia

EP: Check this guy's walkthrough..
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/nes/file/gauntlet_b.txt

I certainly never beat it. Think the farthest I got was World 3 or 4. Then I realized I missed a clue and just turned it off.

That's crazy. What pain in the ass to reach the end.

BTW Gamefaqs hates your link.
10 Feb 2005, 06:07 PM
Cowutopia

Thanks, I'll fix it later.

I think the greatest would be if you made it to the end and fucked up the sequence. Insta-death! LOL
10 Feb 2005, 06:11 PM
Glass Joe

I whipped Athena back in the day. The last boss is impossible to beat unless you have the golden harp(there were many harps but only one golden one) that you can only get at one point of the game(the bottom of hell if I remember right). The only shitty thing is there is NO indication that you need that harp.

I called the Nintendo hotline to find out about that boss and there was 1 specific guy that they wanted me to speak to. This guy couldn't beat that boss either and wanted me to call if I did to let him know how. I called back 3 different times and got 3 different bullshit stories about how to do it from this same douchbag.

I kept at it and the final time I called he told me you needed that one specific harp. When I told him all the other bullshit stories he told me didn't work he said,"I never said that!" and I told him he was full of shit.

Actraiser 2 belongs on this list. That game is tough as nails.
10 Feb 2005, 06:11 PM
galvatron

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mzo

The only one I never did straight was the hardest difficulty in the Alien Wars. I used the ol' rubber band on the controller trick to rack up points for 30 lives for both players -_o

Strangely, I did that in H.S. (except I used a glass on the button) and thought of it as one of the hardest fought victories I ever had in a game. A few years later, I come home from college, pop in alien wars and proceed to run right through it...maybe continuing once. Absolutely nuts...I thought there had to be a harder than hard difficulty I was playing on since it wasn't even half as hard as I remembered.
10 Feb 2005, 06:16 PM
Cowutopia

Yeah, Alien Wars is fairly easy, mostly because the boss patterns are way too simple.
10 Feb 2005, 06:37 PM
Jeremy

Batman and Robin for the Genesis was one of the hardest games I ever played, so much action, so little time. Legendary Wings wasn't all that hard for me, until the final stages when too much shit happened to really keep track of. I got pretty far in RC Pro-Am, and I remember seeing my existing trophies disappear and being quite pissed. I viewed it as "all of that hard work for nothing", a recurring theme with later Rare games.
10 Feb 2005, 07:00 PM
Omni

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glass Joe

I called the Nintendo hotline to find out about that boss and there was 1 specific guy that they wanted me to speak to. This guy couldn't beat that boss either and wanted me to call if I did to let him know how. I called back 3 different times and got 3 different bullshit stories about how to do it from this same douchbag.

I kept at it and the final time I called he told me you needed that one specific harp. When I told him all the other bullshit stories he told me didn't work he said,"I never said that!" and I told him he was full of shit.

:lol: That's awesome.

I wanna work for the Nintendo hotline!
10 Feb 2005, 08:23 PM
SamuraiMoogle

TMNT my brother and I could finish. Fucking Battletoads we could not. We played the fucking shit outta Battletoads too. We got pretty damn far too. I think the main reason we never finished it is because we ALWAYS played Co-op.
We actually had all the driving levels, swimming,snakes,rat race all the shit down pat but we just could not finish it. Playing Co-op is madness and probably made us kick the shit outta of each when one of us would die.

Battletoads stands out by far for me just because of all the time we invested into it.
10 Feb 2005, 08:48 PM
Jetman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mzo

Battletoads is doable, I can still beat it now.

Are you using warps?

Either way with or without warps the shit was hard - as you could only get up to the Snake riding thing with the warps,I think. I got as far as the last tower level w/o warps and gave up the ghost.

Ghosts and Goblins - the Red Arremer's would almost always own me - I had a bait and run tactic to beat them that got me pretty far, but not far enough to beat the game.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chux

I never got around to beating Milon's Secret Castle.

Yeah, I was going to mention this one. One of the first games that I played where I couldnt for the life of me figure out how to go to the next level.Probably easily beatable with a FAQ, but frustrating as hell w/o one.

Ikari Warriors minus the invincible cheat code was pretty rough - Hell, even with the cheat code it was unbeatable ( - I know I've mentioned this in another thread) as you would just come to a wall with nowhere to go with missiles flying through it at you.

Good mention on Ultima: Exodus , Toxic. I remember my mom buying that for me back in the day. She told me that once I beat that game she would buy me another but not until, I beat that one. Talk about cruel and unusual punishment. I think I literally bashed the game in with a hammer when I was with some psycho friends --- Mom, didnt ever buy me another game : (

One of the more recent ones that I played, and am surprised no one mentioned is Street Fighter 2010 - un - fucking beatable. And I really wanted to beat it to see if the story tied in to the Street Fighter series. :(
10 Feb 2005, 10:31 PM
Grave

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glass Joe

Actraiser 2 belongs on this list. That game is tough as nails.

True, but that's not why I stopped playing it. I just didn't find it to be nearly as interesting as the first in the action sections, it seemed like it was lacking in personality... and the lack of sim mode was no good. Still, though, tough game. I had a complete copy I sold to gt2378b not long ago, but considering that he doesn't seem to post ever, I doubt he'll chime in with his progress on it, heh.

Battletoads always beat the shit out of me as a kid. Someday I should go back and try to beat it. I doubt I have the time to dedicate to it now, or ever, but I'd like to finish it just to be able to say that I have.
10 Feb 2005, 10:56 PM
Jetman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grave

Battletoads always beat the shit out of me as a kid. Someday I should go back and try to beat it. I doubt I have the time to dedicate to it now, or ever, but I'd like to finish it just to be able to say that I have.

My videogame skills had to evolve to serious memorization because of BattleToads. I dont think it was physically possible to do the motorbike courses just off instinct and fast reflexes. I think I ended up writing down ramp positions and shit like that on paper to where I finally had the whole thing memorized to the point that I could get by.
10 Feb 2005, 11:38 PM
NeoZeedeater

I still want to know if Fist II has an ending. I never beat it if it does.
10 Feb 2005, 11:49 PM
gamevet

Shadow of the Beast: I played the Amiga version so many times, but as soon as I hit the level with the Eye Ball like enemies, I ended up dying. There were no continues in this game.
10 Feb 2005, 11:50 PM
amitavc

during my younger days, Bayou Billy was quite a pain.
11 Feb 2005, 12:00 AM
Super-Eggroll

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetman

Good mention on Ultima: Exodus , Toxic. I remember my mom buying that for me back in the day. She told me that once I beat that game she would buy me another but not until, I beat that one. Talk about cruel and unusual punishment. I think I literally bashed the game in with a hammer when I was with some psycho friends --- Mom, didnt ever buy me another game : (

I received this game for my birthday (I specifically asked for it) and was told the same story - complete the game, or no more games. This was mainly due to the fact that NES RPG's were sold at ridiculous prices at the time (I believe it set my parents back about $80).

So I persevered. I struggled my way through that game, and actually came to enjoy playing it. If you ever get the chance to play it, there's several jabs at other Nintendo games imbedded in the game dialogue that are slightly amusing, and it has a plethora of games-within-the-game that you can mess around with. These were usually things I made up to make the game more fun in between dungeons - games like "How Many Times Can I Rob/Kill The Merchant And Outrun The Guards Without Dying" and attacking Lord British over and over again assuming that at some point in time I would be powerful enough to kill him (never happened).

The game is no cake-walk, but it is beatable. I will say that playing subsequent RPG's afterward proved little challenge comparitively.

- Total agreeance on the Adventures of Batman and Robin. Those that brave that game and win (without cheating) possess teh mad skills and shall be elected Secretary of Gaming under my new regime.

- Chakan was difficult, but I blame poor game design for my failure to skip across the platforms properly. Not a bad game, but needed a few bugs worked out of it. I think the closest we'll ever get to a Chakan sequel is that new Darkwatch game.

No votes for the DC Ecco The Dolphin game? I flung many a controller playing that particular game, lemme tell ya.
11 Feb 2005, 12:05 AM
gamevet

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetman

Good mention on Ultima: Exodus , Toxic. I remember my mom buying that for me back in the day. She told me that once I beat that game she would buy me another but not until, I beat that one. Talk about cruel and unusual punishment. I think I literally bashed the game in with a hammer when I was with some psycho friends --- Mom, didnt ever buy me another game : (

You could have told her you beat it. How would she know wether you did or not?
11 Feb 2005, 12:09 AM
Super-Eggroll

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamevet

You could have told her you beat it. How would she know wether you did or not?

Where were you when I needed this advice?

I spent so many hours playing that game, I grew to cherish the tinny music of Ultima:Exodus.

Especially the Ambrosia BGM.

I don't know why.
11 Feb 2005, 12:13 AM
Brisco Bold

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zerodash

Also, Street Fighter...but that's just because the control sucks.

Five hours, two calloused thumbs between a pal and myself, and Sagat was still telling us to "Try again, chief!"
11 Feb 2005, 12:17 AM
Omni

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamevet

You could have told her you beat it. How would she know wether you did or not?

Maybe he has some respect for his mother you insensitive prick.

:p
11 Feb 2005, 01:02 AM
Tracer

Quote:

Originally Posted by shidoshi

Target Earth for Genesis was another good one. ECM claimed that he beat it without using the cheat code, but I still to this day don't believe him.

Start on the second controler right?

Yeah, I've never beaten that game.

I nominate Ecco the Dolphin: Defender of the Future as one hard nut to crack.
11 Feb 2005, 01:04 AM
Jetman

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamevet

You could have told her you beat it. How would she know wether you did or not?

The Gamer's Code of Honor I live buy forbade it.

No, I was determined to beat that POS.I made it personal,"What did you call my Grandma, Ultima?Oh, You are so gonna get beat!"

Which is why when I couldnt beat it, I played dirty with the hammer. I actually got to the last castle, and was owned by the final boss. A floor....I kid you not.
That was the last straw in my fragile, juvenile mind.

And yes, Eggroll that sad Ambrosia music is still in my head too.

Honestly, I want to say I did tell mom I beat it, before she bought me another though she found the shattered remains of Ultima in my closet.I dont know why I kept it - guess I figured I'd mangle it some more "Office-Space-on-the-printer-style" later, I dont know.
11 Feb 2005, 01:04 AM
Clash!

Chakan, Chakan, Chakan, CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKAN! Its not possible, the game is too fucking hard. You have like 8 levels to choose from right off the bat and they are all really hard. Enemys kick your ass no matter what. Chakan himself is to blame, with his wonky control (especially jumping).
11 Feb 2005, 01:19 AM
Revoltor

Bayou Billy is impossible. I know there's an awesome game tucked away somewhere in there. They were really close to a classic.

I've beaten Contra without the code or any continues. I've also landed the plane hundreds of times in TopGun. Refueling mid-air is a different story.

Recently I've found Friday the 13th to be impossible too. Come to think of it, a lot of those LJN games were really hard. I wonder what the ending to X-men was? (I know for most it was one where you smashed the game into pieces and burnt the remains)
11 Feb 2005, 01:38 AM
kevincal

Lets see. Silver Surfer on NES, wow...just wow one hit and you're dead. Awesome music though. Fri. 13th....not gonna happen. TMNT 1 insanely hard. Mario bros. The lost levels very tough. Rayman...ugh Beating Tempest 2000 is quite the chore. Cybermorph!! Oh man..long game..lol

Landing on the aircraft carrier in Top Gun was some sick inside joke the programmers thought up..I'm guessing. MYST...That game is so boring and the ambient music is like a tranquilizer to me. Plus those damn puzzles go right over my head. Getting 100% in GT3....weeks of your life gone....a lot of arcade fighters seems to be set on insane difficulty, actually most arcade games seem that way...lol
11 Feb 2005, 01:55 AM
Master of 7s

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revoltor

Bayou Billy is impossible. I know there's an awesome game tucked away somewhere in there. They were really close to a classic.

Hard as hell? Yes. Impossible, nope. I used to beat that thing repeatedly back in the NES days because I liked the music at the end so much.

Quote:

Recently I've found Friday the 13th to be impossible too.

I watched a friend beat this thing back in the day.

To this day I still don't know how he did it.
11 Feb 2005, 01:57 AM
Revoltor

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master of 7s

Hard as hell? Yes. Impossible, nope. I used to beat that thing repeatedly back in the NES days because I liked the music at the end so much..

Holy shit. You fucking rock!

I guess I should try again now that I'm older.
11 Feb 2005, 02:01 AM
Omni

You're never too old to get your ass whooped by pixels.
11 Feb 2005, 02:06 AM
Revoltor

I'm not looking forward to grounding a thug 10 times in a row to kill him (all while another one of his friends looms around)
11 Feb 2005, 02:17 AM
taloony

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lordmrw

Golgo 13. I've beaten games like Battletoads, the Immortal and such where it seemed like even God himself didn't want you to finish it, but fuck Golgo 13 and its first person mazes where every goddamn wall looks the same. I even tried making my own maps, but once I got to Act 6 or 7, don't remember which, I gave up.

I believe this. I gave up far earlier than that though.
11 Feb 2005, 02:20 AM
Master of 7s

Revoltor: Jump kicks.

It's all about jump kicks. They take priorty over virtually EVERYTHING.

Know the range of your attacks and show absolutely no mercy. Pop the bastard with one kick to stun him, then just keep doing in one spot it till he's dead. More often that not you'll be out of their attack range so they cant' retaliate.

Moreover, if you get ahold of a whip in the latter stages. KEEP IT!

I can't emphazize that enough. The last boss is a cake walk with a whip in your hands.
Because of the range on the damn thing you can just stand in the middle of the screen and whip the shit out of him and there isn't a damn thing he can do.
11 Feb 2005, 02:26 AM
Revoltor

Thank you sensei. I will practice this strategy night and day.
11 Feb 2005, 02:41 AM
Master of 7s

Go now, young student, and bring honor to the school of Eight-bit Kick.

*GOOOOONNNNNNGGGGG*
11 Feb 2005, 08:53 AM
g0zen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revoltor

I've also landed the plane hundreds of times in TopGun. Refueling mid-air is a different story.

Screw that, try to land the plane in F-117 Stealth Fighter for the NES. Now -THAT- game was impossible.
11 Feb 2005, 01:32 PM
Tsubaki

I always found Blaster Master NES to be too hard for me to beat. I got pretty far but after a certain point...
11 Feb 2005, 02:22 PM
Mzo

My friend John used to beat Bayou Billy all the time. I never did. God I hate that game.

I'm going to try it again this weekend, damn my eyes.
11 Feb 2005, 02:32 PM
kingoffighters

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revoltor

Recently I've found Friday the 13th to be impossible too. Come to think of it, a lot of those LJN games were really hard. I wonder what the ending to X-men was? (I know for most it was one where you smashed the game into pieces and burnt the remains)

My friend finished Friday the 13th... I have no clue how he does it, but this game was a total waste of time to me. I got whacked within 2 minutes of playing everytime.
11 Feb 2005, 02:50 PM
George

Colony Wars: Vengeance was a whore and a half. I gave up on the level where you had to fly past these floating generators in space, grapple them EXACTLY with your tow hook, and take them back to your mothership WITHOUT TOUCHING ANYTHING, or the fucking thing explodes and it's mission failed.

Contra: Hard Corps was a total bitch for a while, but a whole lot of dedication turned it into a little puppy (and one of my favorite games of all time.)
11 Feb 2005, 02:53 PM
Regus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mzo

Regus. And I believe him. As long as you get the right weapon powerup and keep it, it's possible.

Correct.

Galvatron knows what to do, just pump up the bat bolos to max and you'll take down any boss in no time. The only real challange in this game (IMO), is the marathon session of bad guys the game tosses at you in all the levels leading up to the mad hatter, I especially the out door level were you have to jump over the fire flowers. Personally, I think this game's difficulty level is over exaggerated.

On a similar note I'd place Contra Hard Corps on the same level as Batman & Robin in both quality and difficulty. It may seem daunting at first, but it is completely beatable.

I also beat Chakan, once, and only once. Great ending, but what an ordeal! Chakan's sloppy movements really do hinder you.

A few games I could never finish:

- Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1: I could make it past the electric seaweed, then I would just fall apart.

- Battle Toads: The turbo tunnel would rape me every time.

- Desert Strike: I could NEVER beat the mission in level 3 in which you had to protect the school bus full of diplomats. That shit was so damn hard.

- Undeadline: This was featured in an issue of Gamefan's graveyard, ECM said this game was super hard, he wasn't kidding.

- Target Earth: This game is no joke.

- Mars Matrix: This is one of those games in which I wish I were a better player, but it will never happen.
11 Feb 2005, 02:56 PM
Prince Planet

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clash_Master

Chakan, Chakan, Chakan, CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKAN! Its not possible, the game is too fucking hard. You have like 8 levels to choose from right off the bat and they are all really hard. Enemys kick your ass no matter what. Chakan himself is to blame, with his wonky control (especially jumping).

Possible. My old law school roommate and I beat it finally (although he had the contoller in hand on the last stage, so he gets the real credit). I wouldn't want to try it again, though...hard as freaking hell, and just plain irritating. If I went back and played it, I'd probably use the cheat that warped you directly to the elemental stages.
11 Feb 2005, 03:05 PM
Cowutopia

I Second Colony Wars: Vengeance.
11 Feb 2005, 03:47 PM
toxic

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince Planet

Possible. My old law school roommate and I beat it finally (although he had the contoller in hand on the last stage, so he gets the real credit). I wouldn't want to try it again, though...hard as freaking hell, and just plain irritating. If I went back and played it, I'd probably use the cheat that warped you directly to the elemental stages.

Holy crap .. I totally forgot about Chakan. What a pain in the ass.
11 Feb 2005, 05:26 PM
Jed

Kenseiden was the bane of my 12 year old existence. I have no idea why, it wasn't that difficult, but it consistently whipped my ass.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned ET. I tried to play it again a couple years ago, and still couldn't figure out what the fuck to do.
11 Feb 2005, 05:32 PM
NeoZeedeater

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jed

Kenseiden was the bane of my 12 year old existence. I have no idea why, it wasn't that difficult, but it consistently whipped my ass.

That's one of my most replayed games ever but there's still one training level I never beat. I skip it most of the time since it's optional but even when I do attempt it I continuously fail.
11 Feb 2005, 05:33 PM
Mzo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regus

- Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1: I could make it past the electric seaweed, then I would just fall apart.

I made it to the Technodrome. I was at the hallway before the Shredder, and I died. There's these jetpack guys that fly across, and the only way to kill them without taking damage is either Don's bo when he's low on health, or a scroll.'

THAT's the secret, hoarding like 100 scrolls for each turtle and using that the rest of the game. I never did it, of course, got to the Technodrome playing regularly, but having that many scrolls would make the game a lot easier.

There're also some retarded ass jumps in that game.
11 Feb 2005, 06:14 PM
Shakey

Quote:

Originally Posted by g0zen

Beyond the Beyond.

just thought I'd say that this is one of the worst RPGs ever made.
11 Feb 2005, 06:40 PM
Hot Like Wasabi

I don't know if any one tried the Transformers for NES (Japanese release only I believe) but I couldn't last 2 minutes without dying.

Hardest.Game.Ever
11 Feb 2005, 06:56 PM
Frogacuda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zerodash

Adventures of Batman and Robin on Genny= Hardest fucking game ever.

Yes. Also SwordQuest Waterworld.
11 Feb 2005, 07:27 PM
Glass Joe

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jed

Kenseiden was the bane of my 12 year old existence. I have no idea why, it wasn't that difficult, but it consistently whipped my ass.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned ET. I tried to play it again a couple years ago, and still couldn't figure out what the fuck to do.

When you and I are on opposite teams in Splinter cell just call me Kenseiden ;)

The real question here is, WHY THE FUCK DID YOU TRY ET A COUPLE YEARS AGO?????!!?!?
11 Feb 2005, 07:55 PM
sedition

lord of the sword SMS

the only game that my brother and I didn't beat for the master system..

i think it is doable, but :bang:UGH!! anyone do it here?
11 Feb 2005, 08:24 PM
NeoZeedeater

Quote:

Originally Posted by sedition

lord of the sword SMS

the only game that my brother and I didn't beat for the master system..

i think it is doable, but :bang:UGH!! anyone do it here?

It took me a while but I beat it. The cruel thing about that game was the limited continues. It was just begging for some sort of save points.
11 Feb 2005, 08:46 PM
Joust Williams

That's the thing about old games. The ones that have no continues seem very hard, because while the action may not be intense, you have to be on your game the whole time. That's the deal with me an Action Fighter. As a shmup (well, the shmup part of it), it's much less manic than other impossible stuff, but you only got the time + 5 lives or so (like Spy Hunter).
11 Feb 2005, 11:25 PM
Rocca

Quote:

Originally Posted by g0zen

Beyond the Beyond.

Enemies that level up with you + Underpowered Characters + Random Encounters EVERY FIVE STEPS + Insanely Annoying Puzzles = Unbeatable.

That must have been the most boring and unfair game that I've played. I just gave the game back after reaching that Emerald Cave or whatever. It's not one of those "love it or hate it" type games, its just terrible.
11 Feb 2005, 11:38 PM
gamevet

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frogacuda

Yes. Also SwordQuest Waterworld.

Those games made no F'n sense. I'd follow the clue numbers in the book and would end up with the same damn clues 10 minutes later. I'm surprised anyone beat the first 2 games.

Quote:

Originally Posted by g0zen

Beyond the Beyond.

Enemies that level up with you + Underpowered Characters + Random Encounters EVERY FIVE STEPS + Insanely Annoying Puzzles = Unbeatable.

The game was hard at first, but with a little effort it became much easier.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocca

That must have been the most boring and unfair game that I've played. I just gave the game back after reaching that Emerald Cave or whatever. It's not one of those "love it or hate it" type games, its just terrible.

I paid $59 for that game. :bang:

Needless to say, I kept up the fight and beat it. The worst part about the game, was the one character that was cursed. I believe he finally broke the curse, around the second half of the game.
11 Feb 2005, 11:59 PM
rezo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocca

That must have been the most boring and unfair game that I've played. I just gave the game back after reaching that Emerald Cave or whatever. It's not one of those "love it or hate it" type games, its just terrible.

I believe I did the same thing. Terrible game. It was pathetic how, instead of providing a variety of small animations during story scenes, the sprites would just sort of twitch whenever they were happy, angry, incontinent...
12 Feb 2005, 12:14 AM
Nick

Jim Power on the SNES is harder than Batman & Robin. It was even in 3D and came with glasses. I guess the programmers got a kick of imagining all these kids dying every one goddamn second while wearing these stupid red-and-blue-lensed paper shades. Throw the glasses off in anger and turn off the 3D scrolling if you want, the game is as close to impossible as anything I've ever undertaken.

For a kick after you've failed miserably, put in the invincibility code and see what you're expected to go through for the one-screen ending. You will curse the developers with your every breath for weeks.

Athena was an interesting game, but I never beat the last boss. I used to play it at a friend's house, so I only got limited time with it. The Nintendo hint line also gave us the wrong weapon for the last boss, so we would get there and there was no choice but to lose.

Who said Zanac? I used to beat that game every night, going for a higher score. It's one of my all-time favorites.
12 Feb 2005, 12:17 AM
toxic

Kings Field was another one of those games that was rediculously hard (in certain areas). It was one of the first wave of PS games I bought, and took over two years of casual playing to beat it.

This is kind of a reach .. does anyone remember that high profile Genny game (it had great graphics, and came out later in the gen's cycle) that was a side-scrolling platform game. It was similar in gameplay to AstroBoy/MegaMan. The main character was a robot/droid that could be upgraded with power ups. It was pretty difficult.

Hey ... I found it. Vectorman.

http://www.gamasutra.com/db_area/ima...shot_small.jpg

Was this a difficult game? I remember that it was.
12 Feb 2005, 12:20 AM
sethsez

Vectorman was pretty hard at points, but not anywhere near some of the games mentioned here.

It was also really awesome.
12 Feb 2005, 01:11 AM
Vasteel

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jed

I'm surprised no one has mentioned ET. I tried to play it again a couple years ago, and still couldn't figure out what the fuck to do.

If my memory of about 20 years ago serves correctly, ET just looped over and over again- I might be wrong.
As for Atari 2600 games- "Demon Attack- TOUGH!!!"
Spider Fighter wasn't fucking around either.
Rayxanber II will spank your ass.
Chakan is hard, but there is a groove to it.
Batman & Robin and Target Earth are fucking sick.
Magician Lord and Nam '75 will wear an ass out.
Personally, I think 1 crediting Radiant Silvergun is a feat.
And to this day, please don't laugh, the last boss of Ninja Gaiden will spank my ass with a belt.
I still haven't beaten Super Mario Bros. Either! The shame!
I think the toughest game I have ever beaten is Pulstar. People say Batsugen is also really tough, but I didn't think so.
12 Feb 2005, 01:19 AM
Frogacuda

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater

That's one of my most replayed games ever but there's still one training level I never beat. I skip it most of the time since it's optional but even when I do attempt it I continuously fail.

I'm proud to say I beat all those training levels. Took a long while though.

The SMS version of Space Harrier deserves a mention too, I think. I can 1-credit the arcade one, but I can't beat the SMS one without using the UUDDLRLR code.

But SwordQust Waterworld.. come on, there was a $10,000 prize for anyone who could beat it, and it was never claimed.
12 Feb 2005, 01:51 AM
gamevet

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vasteel

If my memory of about 20 years ago serves correctly, ET just looped over and over again- I might be wrong.
As for Atari 2600 games- "Demon Attack- TOUGH!!!"

E.T. wasn't that hard. It was boring and somewhat frustrating, but with a little effort it could be beaten. When you beat the game, you'd see E.T. getting pulled up to the ship, in a beam of light.

Demon Attack was not that hard of a game. Much like the arcade game Phoenix, it basically looped back to the beginning once you made it to the last level.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frogacuda

But SwordQust Waterworld.. come on, there was a $10,000 prize for anyone who could beat it, and it was never claimed.

Have you played the Swordquest games? The game relied on clues that would reference a page and sentence within that page. You would then try to make meaning out of the clue and find the next page reference. Like I said earlier, you'd often end up with the same clues again and again.

I was probably around 12, when I played the first Swordquest game. I have it sitting in the closet with my Atari 2600. I don't know if I still have the book, but I should probably pull the game out and give it another try, just to see how bad it was.
12 Feb 2005, 02:04 AM
toxic

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamevet

E.T. wasn't that hard. It was boring and somewhat frustrating, but with a little effort it could be beaten. When you beat the game, you'd see E.T. getting pulled up to the ship, in a beam of light.
.

Yea, ET wasn't difficult. Just tedious (those feds would come out of nowhere and nab ya).

The hardest game (I use this loosely) for the Atari was Indiana Jones. The game made no sense, and the instructions were cryptic at best.

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