Not changing, evolving. There is a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
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Not changing, evolving. There is a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
Math is just logic applied to physical objects and ideas.Quote:
Originally Posted by arjue
It's only perfect because man made it that way.
"Not changing, evolving. There is a difference."
Well, if you can guarantee that they're closer to the truth, I suppose.
even so. Its hard for me to describe, but the sheer fact that 1 + 1 = 2 is quite amazing. meh, I'm just making myself look retarded.
I wouldn't call it amazing.
If I have a cell phone, and that's 1 item, and I hold it next to a ligher which is also 1 item, I have both a phone and a lighter which is now 2 items. There is nothing amazing about that, humans just gave it a name.
*also raises hand*Quote:
Originally Posted by Master of 7s
We're a species that specializes in creating things for our own use. We couldn't survive if we didn't. Thus, that's how we tend to view the universe... if something exists, it must have been created with intent.
Doesn't make it so, though. I can look at "the beauty of nature" and think that it had to be designed for it to be so beautiful, but then I can watch a praying mantis mate and then be eaten alive by the female and think "nah."
Then again, I've never been big on the concept of a higher purpose to existance. It's like trying to infer a narrative in a nature documentary... accept the images for what they are instead of trying to apply a greater meaning to it.
Shit works the way it does, because it does. If didn't work that way, it would work whatever way that other way is. Things all working together says shit about their being a god, it just means you live in reality.
Saying "omg all this stuff is so orderly, there must be a god" would be like me getting 4 boxes, putting them right together, and me throwing rocks into them, and then saying "well the rocks all went in the boxes, it all works together so well, there must be a god."
It works because it works, there is not an alternative where it doesn't fucking work. There is no purple fluffy other where cows fly for no fucking reason at all. If anything, such an unorderly world would prove there was a god, because it would take a being of great power to make a world of contradictions that worked. AND if you did live in a world where cows did fly, you would consider that the standard and still say shit like "man that is so orderely and exact."
Order does not prove the existence of God. If anything it helps disprove God.
Joust, I've already explained this before. Science uses aparatus to quantify and detect things beyond our senses, science is primarily not based on sensation (that's called empiricism, which is the basis of a limited amount of branches of science). If a scientist used his fingers to estimate the temperature of stuff in experiments, would it really be science? He's got a digital thermometer to do that and convert the temperature into a discrete number which can only be interpreted one way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
I can't see x-radiation, it's beyond my senses, but I have a nice little ionisation chamber that can detect x-radiation and convert it into a numerical representation that my senses can take in and not alter or interpret differently
It's impossible for something to have an impact on the physical world and not leave a footprint; there will always be one way of detecting it. It will be beyond our technology, not senses.
No...it doesn't do anything.
There is only one thing I know for sure...that I am alive. As weird as it sounds, it is true. I cannot guarantee anything else. I can make very good guesses, but that's it.
"I can't see x-radiation, it's beyond my senses, but I have a nice little ionisation temperature that can detect x-radiation and convert it into a numerical representation that my senses can take in and not alter or interpret differently"
Yes, and how do we go about creating such a thing? If we could not observe the effects of certain things upon other certain things, we would never create such instruments. Our senses, combined with our brainpower, drive our technology.
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