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I think this looks beautiful. Hopefully the script and performances are as good as the art direction :)
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I think this looks beautiful. Hopefully the script and performances are as good as the art direction :)
Whoa.
I know. I've watched it like 10 times. I can't stop looking at Woody's teeth.
It's most excellent.
Anyway, yeah, it should rock the house.
Linklater + PK Dick + Keanu Reeves = This may totally rock
I loved the book so I was feeling pretty skeptical when I hear about this, but the trailer looks damn good. I'm excited.
WOW. I must see that.
What PK Dick story is it based on? Is it of the same name? I don't think I've read that one.
It is of the same name, and it's one of his better works IMNSHO. I'm looking forward to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
Whoa, that looks awesome. Linklater really loves that drawn over film stuff. It looked neat in Waking Life, but this is so much better and so freaking cool.
I know nothing of PK Dick, or his work, but this movie sounds really cool. Beyond just the amazing art style of the film.
Linklater rules, his filmography is so varied. Slacker, Dazed and Confused, Waking Life, School of Rock, Before Sunset, Before Sunrise, SubUrbia, plus he is remaking The Bad News Bears.
Holy shit...I saw stills of this in production, but of course it made no mention of that style. I never thought the undercover suit could work in a movie, but that is absolutely perfect. As long as the script isnt fuck on this one it could be my favorite movie ever.
PS - Read some PK Dick if you have not, but do not start with this novel. Its slightly obtuse and much more personal than most of his works.
Agreed there- it is not the entry level PKD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mman
I know this project has been bouncing around for a while. Charlie Kaufman was working on it for a while, but no longer. That's some awesome visual work though. Reminds me of Waking Life.
Fuck!
OMG @ visuals. Very cool looking.
Whats going on here... newfangled rotoscoping?
Sorry to be the sole troll in an otherwise troll-less thread, but is anyone worried about how the movie itself will be? I think the visuals are kind of cool, but that alone didnt make me orgasm with excitement. Maybe I just need to read the book or something to see where you guys are coming from? I mean the premise is what? From what I got from the preview,everyone's being recorded,and Keanu's brain is mutating.......am I missing something? spoil away if ya gotta.
I'll download it just for the visuals. If its a good movie, thats even better.
Well, its based on my favorite book of all time, so that is why I am pretty jazzed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetman
The basis of the story is that John Archer (Keanu) is an undercover narc. He lives with a group of guys and records everything that goes on the house and edits into reports that he gives to his senior. When he talks to his seniors he is always wearing the changey suit (cant remember the actual name, but it is the suit that cycles randomly generated images of people) so when he reports he reports on himself the same way that he reports on everybody else. The main drug he is investigating is Substance D, or Death, which seperates the hemispheres of his brain. Eventually this leads him into all sorts of problems with his identity and paranoia. It is all pretty intellectual and not so much a sci-fi story (like most of PKDs works) but a story of addiction that PKD saw happening to himself and his friends. Its a really well done story full of tragedy and comedy, that could entirely be ruined in movie format. I have high hopes though that this will turn out pretty amazing.
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Originally Posted by Mman
Sounds weird. Why does his suit always change? Does he go undercover AS different people,and is just losing his identity and forgetting who he is?
I'm a huge PKD fan, but I thought Scanner Darkly was sort of shit. However, I'm always willing to give things another try, and will gladly watch the movie.
GAH, something fucked up, lets try this again. He only goes undercover as Bob Archer. Not only is he forgetting who he is, but he is becoming two seperate people, each unaware of the other. The Narcs wear the suits whenever they are in the office to prevent their idenity from being revealed. The suit is a Scramble suit, and this is howt the book describes it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetman
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Basically the design consisted of a multifaced quartz lens hooked to a miniaturized computer whose memory banks held upt oa million and half phsysiognomic fraction-representations of various people: men and women, children, with every variant encoded and then projected outward in all directions equally onto a superthin shroudlike membrane large enough to fit aroun an average human.
As the computer looped through its banks, it projected every conceivable ey color, hair color, shape and type of nose, formation of teeth, configuration of facial bone structure - he entire shroudlike membrane took on whateverphysical characteristics where projected at any nanosecond, and then switched to the next...
In any case, the wearer of a scramble suit was Everyman and in every combination during the course of each hour. Hence, any description of him - or her - was meaningless
All you need to know that were it not for PKD we would not have Bladerunner, Total Recall and Minority Report. 3 of the greatest SciFi movies ever.
Okay, that sounds like it might be an interesting premise,and have something to back up those cool visuals.I might have to look up some PK Dick stuff.What else has he written that you all recommend?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mman
Well, any collection of his short stories are pretty amazing, but as for novels I would reccomend
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? (the basis for Blade Runner)
Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said
The Man in the High Castle
Those are probably the best places to start.
Cool. Thanks Mman. I have a couple of other books I need to buy, so I may try and pick some of those up to, if I can find em on the cheap.Like videogames I have an equivalent book pile of shame that I need to work on too so Ill just add those to it...:sweat:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mman
Just go to your local library.
I'd be on their most wanted hit list for jackholes who dont ever turn in books on time/ or ever.....I once had an amazing feat of racking up a $20 late fee at a library. $20!! At 2cents a day or whatever they charge thats like a bunch of days...a bunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Revoltor
I'm better off buying, then I can read at my own leisure.
Well Amazon is pretty cheap. You might luck out and get a good deal from one of the marketplace sellers too.
This looks really cool and different. Definately interested in seeing more.
They should do the Aeon Flux movie like that.
Yup. Well... not like rotoscoping hasn't been used since like... Snow White, but I know what you mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
Looked like it, yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
Either that or it's Jet Set Radio The Movie.
Interesting, but kinda ulgy in a way. I don't know. I never really liked hyper realistic-looking animation styles.
I just picked up a copy of A Scanner Darkly at the bookstore today... going to get started on it tonight.
No. Its being directed by Richard Linklater, one of the most talented writer/directors working today. The guy knows how to play the game, too. Not many other directors would have gotten the funds to take 3 years to make something like Waking Life, or get A list actors like Uma Thurman to do a movie like Tape.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetman
Looks great! I'm defineatly checking this one out.
It looks okay, but I don't think the visual style is that amazing.
Anyone else catch that spoiler at the end of the teaser involving Winona Ryder's character? If you check out the cast credits at IMDB you'll see Arctor's wife and daughter listed as characters. Probably just flashbacks, but interesting to think about.
Word has it that the film won't come out until March of 2006. The animation technique takes forever. It'll be worth the wait, I'm sure.
New trailer -
http://pdl.warnerbros.com/wip/us/med...lr2_qt_700.mov
bought the book and plan to read it before the movie hits...
Looks really cool. I was just watching the bonus disc of Sin City and they mention that Scanner Darkly was filming at the same time they were filming. That's a hell of a production schedule.
Bob Sabiston is head of animation, I dig his stuff. He was the art director for waking life. He also directed one of my favorite liquid television shorts grinning evil death.
Really nice use of the M83 track in the trailer. Last I remember hearing a long while ago this was supposed to be out in March. Trailer says Summer. Cannot come soon enough.
In an effort to be as trite and e-worthless as possible I present my post.
IMHO, PKD FTW. Movie looks pretty. Neo still sucks at delivery. Ticket sales +1
Too bad the casting fucked it up. If Keanu Reaves and Wynona Rider would drop dead, the world would be a better place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinopio
This is the only time I have ever wanted to kick someones ass via the internets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Fuck you Yoshi... you're talking shit about my girlfriend.
I've got a huge canvas Waking Life poster hanging up at home. I'm definately looking forward to A Scanner Darkly.
I don't know what I think of Richard Linklater. I enjoyed Waking Life but it was so far from a traditional movie with stories and character development that I don't know what to think of him. I heard the same about Slacker. The diologue in the trailer sounds very unnatural... I don't know, we'll see. It surely looks cool though.
Is this every going to fucking come out? :(
Did you read the book?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
LOL, what the hell do you know about stylistic visuals?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
I don't like the style. I mean, I'm a fan of animation, and I'm not opposed to rotoscoping, but this just looks like a normal movie stuck through a few Photoshop filters. I know there's more to it than that and all, and I respect the work that's been put into it, but the end result doesn't impress me as animation or as stylistic visuals.
Also, Waking Life was trash.
:mad:.Quote:
Originally Posted by sethsez
I didnt' like Waking Life as a movie, but technically it was amazing. I really enjoyed listening to the commentary.
This is absolutely correct, but it's not a complaint, really. I don't consider this a cartoon. Much of the animation process in this film, as in much of waking life, has been automated using software to break down images into vector shapes, and then the animation itself is keyframed using vector meshes, and while it still requires some work, like you said it's different than something animated from the ground up over a rotoscoped foundation like, say, Snow White, or Fire and Ice.Quote:
Originally Posted by sethsez
I kind of just take it for what it is; A neat looking in-between of live action and animation.
There was nothing technically amazing about Waking Life. It was interesting to look at, but as a work of animation it was as amazing as a shockwave Flash experiment.Quote:
Originally Posted by TobalRox
I happen to think it was an interesting movie, though I appreciate that it's not for everyone and it doesn't achieve the kinds of things most people expect from a movie (a story, characterization...). It was a loosely connected series of philisophical discussions that formed a greater argument. As such it was intelligently written, and while frustrating at first, it does come together by the end. I respect that it wasn't a pretentious load of pseudo-intellectual half-assedness like a lot of movies that try to touch on that sort of thing, but a real, honest discussion, made less dry by skit-like presentation and the interesting visuals.
I know it's not trying to be a full cartoon or anything, but like I said, the end result just doesn't do anything for me. It looks... cheap, in a way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
See, I always thought it was a pretentious load of pseudo-intellectual half-assedness. I mean, I respect what it was trying to do and all, but it was a spiffy looking movie set to the rambling thoughts of a stoner on a really good high. There are some interesting things in modern philosophy from people who actually work in the field and do actual research, but the movie settled for "man, have you ever looked at your hand? I mean, really looked at it?" bullshit.Quote:
There was nothing technically amazing about Waking Life. It was interesting to look at, but as a work of animation it was as amazing as a shockwave Flash experiment.
I happen to think it was an interesting movie, though I appreciate that it's not for everyone and it doesn't achieve the kinds of things most people expect from a movie (a story, characterization...). It was a loosely connected series of philisophical discussions that formed a greater argument. As such it was intelligently written, and while frustrating at first, it does come together by the end. I respect that it wasn't a pretentious load of pseudo-intellectual half-assedness like a lot of movies that try to touch on that sort of thing, but a real, honest discussion, made less dry by skit-like presentation and the interesting visuals.
Nice to see the Waking Life debate is continuing years later. :D
I got into it with Don Bluth's executive producer over it once. Good times. Some of the old animation guys were dead against it. New fangled nonesense. 'Course most of their jobs are extinct these days, so there's that. Adapt or die!
It HAD people who're in the field, in fact in many cases they were people of some prominence (Robert C. Soloman, Aklilu Gebrewold, etc.). I don't know what it is you were wanting from a movie about existentialist philosophy that this didn't deliver.Quote:
Originally Posted by sethsez
No, was the book badly acted, too? I don't see what you're getting at. I wasn't talking about the wording, just the way the actors are being directed.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
do walk-on comeos while most of the movie was rambling from people of no consequence.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
For reals. I studied philosophy for years, and Waking Life was NOT stoner philosophy at all, but actually a fairly well-rounded presentation of a lot of the existentialist side of philosophy.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Now, existentialism itself is the subject of a fair amount of debate and criticism (and not a personal favorite of mine. I spent most of my time in analytical philosophy), but that aside, Waking Life did it justice.
You said the dialogue, not the delivery. Try learning the terms before just throwing them out there. It helps in the discussion. Anyway, what I meant was that the book is somewhat high-brow reading that may be hard to translate into good screenwriting. I still think the movie will be good because the story is so good, but I think there may be a lot lost in the translation that will give people a different idea of what the whole thing is about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Bram Stoker's Dracula kicked ass, but then I guess Oldman and Hopkins carried it. Never send an American actor to do a British actor's job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
I've watched that new trailer like 6 times already. My most anticipated film since Kill Bill.
A Scanner Darkly, unlike a bunch of his other books, has a decent ending.
the waking life was boring, just like art rock.
I really liked the use of color in some sequences of the thing, but I thought most of it was pretty mediocre. It was just cel-shading over what was obviously filmed material, although certain parts like the one with the evolution scientist had a bit of personality. It kept my interest for about 20 minutes, but I became dissappointed when the movie obviously went nowhere at all, it was just a documentary with a thick, thick layer of pretentiousness.
But I was speaking of how it sounded so you should have been able to figure out which sense of the word I was using (which is not incorrect, so stop busting balls).Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
But I don't know about how it's written, since it's out of context, but it sort of reminded me of that same kind of unnatural tone from Waking Life, and that's not going to fly in a (relatively) more mainstream kind of movie.
I felt that way about halfway through, but I think it pulled together in the end. It wasn't really pretentious as much as just dealing with a kind of high brow subject matter. It did it in an honest way, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by rectal_area
You're wrong, dialogue occurs in novels the same way it does in movies; characters talking. When you said the dialogue sounded off, there was nothing unreasonable about me thinking you meant there was something wrong with the writing. Now, if you'd just said from the start that the acting or the delivery seemed strange there'd have been no confusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
You're the one who got pissy when I asked if you'd read the book.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
I don't know what makes you think this movie is mainstream, or atleast more mainstream than Waking Life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Keanu Reeves, Winona Ryder,etc have a much broader appeal than a bunch of actors who haven't been in anything since Dazed and Confused. And previous movies based on books by Dick have made hundreds of millions.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Not really, they're exactly the same. They're all '90s actors who've made more than their fair share of crap movies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinopio
Paycheck and Screamers made millions of dollars?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinopio
EDIT: And before you get smartassed, keep in mind that's obviously a joke.
Well it's at least some kind of narrative with characters and a story, which alone makes it more mainstream than Waking Life, which was borderline avant-garde. I emphasized that it was a relative comparison for a reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Maybe conventional would be a more accurate word?
Need I remind you of the first time Keanu played a stoner and the cultural revolution that followed?Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Excellent!
My Own Private Idaho is a good movie...
Just saying.
Trailer is pretty damn cool. Even has M83 playing during it.
July 7th in:
Boston
Chicago
Los Angeles
New York
San Francisco
Seattle
Austin
So excited. Already have A Scanner Darkly poster hanging in my apartment.
Hopefully Mpls will get this one at the Lagoon. I'm looking forward to it as well. Comes out the same day as Pirates, but anybody who's interested will see both of them that weekend.
Why is it so many Philip K. Dick stories are made into movies, but we only get 1 based on William Gibson? Neromancer would make a great movie.
No A Scanner Darkly for me on July 7th :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinopio
Don't worry- you'll probably get it a week or two later. That's how the art-house theatres near me work.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrAnDX105
Yeah, I realize this. I've been itching to see this movie since it was first announced though, so no matter what, a limited release was bound to dissapoint me.
Yeah, I need to move near a major city. I guess WASHINGTON FUCKING DC isn't a big enough deal to get early releases.
Korly, we get it the next week.
Ya know?Quote:
Originally Posted by Korly
I was about to say something to that effect. Why the hell isn't DC on that list?
The full list.
Usually Baltimore means Muvico.Quote:
July 7
Boston
Chicago
Los Angeles
New York
San Francisco
Seattle
Austin
July 14
Albany, NY
Albuquerque
Atlanta
Baltimore
Bethesda
Buffalo
Boise
Champaign
Charlotte
Cincinnati
Cleveland
Columbus, OH
Dallas
Dayton
Denver
Des Moines
Detroit
Greensboro
Hartford
Honolulu
Houston
Indianapolis
Kansas City
Knoxville
Las Vegas
Lexington
Louisville
Madison
Memphis
Miami
Milwaukee
Minneapolis
Monterey
Nashville
New Haven
New Orleans
Norfolk
Oklahoma City
Omaha
Orlando
Philadelphia
Phoenix
Pittsburgh
Portland, OR
Providence
Rochester
Raleigh-Durham
Reno
Richmond
Sacremento
Salt Lake City
San Antonio
Santa Barbara
San Diego
St. Louis
Syracuse
Tallahasse
Tampa Bay
Tucson
Tulsa
Washington D.C.
West Palm Beach
July 28
Anchorage
Annapolis
Arlington, VA
Bakersfield
Bend
Charlottsville
Colorado Springs
Columbia, MO
Dallas
Eugene
Fresno
Ft. Meyers
Gainsville
Gaithersburg
Greenville, SC
Harrisburg
Houston
Jacksonville
Kansas City
Medford
Memphis
Peoria
Philadelphia
Portland, ME
Salt Lake City
Springfield, MA
Springfield, MO
Tempe
Toledo
Wichita
Aug 4
Abilene
Albany, GA
Amarillo
Augusta
Baton Rouge
Birmingham
Boise
Butte
Cedar Rapids
Chattanooga
Chico-Redding
Columbia, SC
Columbus, GA
Columbus, MS
Corpus Christi
Davenport
Des Moines
El Paso
Eureka
Evansville
Florence
Ft. Smith
Ft. Wayne
Grand Junction
Grand Rapids
Green Bay
Greenville, NC
Helena
Huntsville
Jonesboro
Kingsport
Lafayette, LA
Lansing
Laredo
Little Rock
Lubbock
Macon
Missoula
Montgomery
Odessa
Panama City
Roanoke
San Antonio
Savannah
Sioux City
Spokane
Tyler
Waco
Wichita Falls
Wilmington
Yuma
CANADA
July 7
Toronto
July 14
Calgary
Edmonton
Halifax
Halifax
Vancouver
Victoria
Winnipeg
Well, at least it hits Gaithersburg on the 28th. But I'll definitely be taking the Metro into DC to see it on the 14th (I'm guessing the Uptown will get it).Quote:
Originally Posted by Chux
Cleveland on the 14th, HOLLA!
they spelled Sacramento wrong.. anyway i'll probably see it in SF on the 7th... and, WTF i posted in this thread earlier and my post is gone.
Wow, Hartford is actually getting it.... I'll have to check it out.
We're always the one step right after San Fran/New York limited openings thanks to the Cedar Lee. They mostly show stuff I don't care about but I love having them here for movies like this, same goes for the Cinematheque.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrAnDX105
Saw a trailor for this and the visuals bother the hell out of me.
Truth. Cedar Lee is my saviour for movies like this. I've never been to Cinematheque though, where's it at?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris
I also never realized you live in the Cleveland area. Fancy that!
edit: Also, can we make this thread subtitle "The Matrix set in Orange County?" like the other one, because that's just fucking hillarious.
Saw it last night. It was pretty much what I expected, which was a faithful retelling of the book combined with Linklater's flair for realistic yet interesting dialogue. I wish it was a bit longer so that it spent more time on the identity crisis and detox parts that are more prevelant in the book, but they made up for that by really nailing the ending.
3.5/4
Inside the CIA. Awesome place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brand X
Sweet, this is next for me after Pirates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinopio
Is this coming to the mainstream theatres toward the end of the month? If that's the case, I'll just wait so I won't have to deal with Uptown traffic/parking.
I just saw a new ad for it and they just said limited release. No audio or text saying it's going to go wide release :(.
I'm jealous of those who have already seen this. 2 more days until it opens for me. :(
Shit, it opens here in Columbus on Friday too.
I'll check it out before the weekend is over.
There's a screening in ATL tonight, going to catch it with some folks after work. The book was fantastic.
Its finally coming to ATL? I checked like a week ago and couldn't find any showings in GA. Hmm I might have to check it out when I'm off from work again.
I think Im gonna see it again. I could hardly stay awake the first time. No fault of the movie, I was just exhausted. The credits listed Radiohead for 3 or 4 different songs. Im curious as to which ones are by them.
I'm all about some Philip K. Dick, and will be checking this out tomorrow when it opens in Raleigh. I'm also in the process of running through the book again to see how it measures up.
Sweet, looks like wide release is tomorrow! Palisades is getting it. There is a crap load of movies coming out I want to see.
i saw it today, and i dont know if i liked it or not. i got the story and the ending, i just dnnno.
Saw it last night.
I never read the book, so I was kind of lost on some parts.
They never got into why the cops needed to wear the scramble suit. If they knew who he really was when they sat him down for the psych evaluations, why did he need to wear the suit? I find it hard to believe that he would be a narc and nobody would know his real identity. Then again, the psych evaluators didn't call him "Bob" but "Fred."
When he was looking at the surveilance cameras, the chic he was sleeping with changed forms from Donna to the other woman. Was that because of Substance D messing with his brain?
I left the theatre wanting more. I would've like to see more of Bob's conflict with both sides of his brain playing out. - Maybe that did happen and I didn't catch it. If that was the case, they didn't make it clear enough to me in the movie about how the drug was messing with his brain. They should have spent more time in the end on the detox center and the farm.
Saw it. It was disorienting and confusing for much of the movie, and didn't do much to slowly build to the ending. It kinda set things up in the beginning, meandered for an hour, and then got on with the story at the end.
Charlie Kaufman's script did a better job of foreshadowing and setting some things up, and making certain points clearer. It seems like a tough book to adapt (though I never read it) so I can sympathize, but I don't know how much I really liked it in the end.
The did a pretty poor job of conveying the split-personality thing. I didn't really get it.
They say it's because of the amount of corruption in the department, they want to protect him from the other officers. Presumably the psych officers know nothing about any of the cases that could cause a face to be of use to themQuote:
Originally Posted by Beefy Hits
Sounds like so far we are in agreement about them needing to flesh out the split brain thing more. Having read the book I knew what was going on but I certainly noticed that it may be confusing for someone who hadn't.
Saw this the other night and not really sure if I liked it.
The style was original for sure, but the story just didnt pull me in. Like Frog said it meandered for the whole middle half, and while a lot of the drug induced banter was fun to watch and listen to, it would have been better if I watched it wasted,and it didnt really add to the movie's plot.
And the ending totally fucking sucked. No pay off at all for our time spent watching Keanu's downfall.
Some other things I didnt quite get or that annoyed me:
How was Keanu able to "pop" pills into his mouth while wearing the suit? I saw him do that at least twice. Maybe he was imagining taking them?
The line at the end of the movie? Was that referring to fictional characters who had died trying to corale Substance D, or real life people Phillip K. Dick knew that he was dedicating this too?
For those of you who read the book, does it end the same way as the movie? If so, then lame and im glad I didnt read it. I mean its a different ending and it leaves you wondering if Keaunu, Bobby, or whoever's, training kicked in and worked, but it just needed more payoff. I mean he did repeat that mantra at the end so I assume he put some pieces together somewhere down the line eventually?