College students and Communism: The great retardation

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Originally Posted by IronPlant

-_' do you talk to many of the math teachers on campus?

Math is considered to be its own language by a lot of people. Asking me how someone can learn math with out learning how to read, is like asking me how someone can learn to read, with out knowing how to read.

So how does someone learn math with out knowing how to read? The same way anyone learns any language.

Though I will admit written text does help people learn complex math subjects on their own. Which is helpful when they do not have the option of an actual person to show them how to do something.

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Let me phrase it another way. You say that a lot of people consider math to be a language. So, for you to understand math, you would have to be able to think, no? How do you form a coherent thought, if not with the same language apparatus that allowed you to learn the rules of morphology, syntax, vocabulary, etc? You cannot even grasp what those mathematical symbols mean unless you have something about them internalized. How would you do that without language? This goes for all native speakers of all languages, mind you, not just English.

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You are such a teacher. All of them spout that sort of shit. They act like their subject is the end all of all the subjects at the school. Every class is nothing but a means for their class. History teachers think everything is part of history, English teachers think English is the soul of humanity, Math teachers think they are the gods of modern society, science teachers think science is culmination of all the other subjects.

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You sound a lot like most students, who say that every class they take is meaningless and only designed to take their money. ;)

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When I say this, I don't mean it against you Melf, but teachers like that can kiss my ass. Assholes like that are why I end up having a paper due the same night that I get 60 calc problems to do, because you know "OMG THEIR CLASS IS THE WORLD."

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Doesn't this same thing happen at work? Few bosses in the real world care what else you have to do, when it comes to finishing something for work. It's called life. Learn to multi task, man!

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Originally Posted by Tragic

The argument of majors... I dunno. It's a pointless arguement like you said. I think nearly every major has a good place in the world, some just lend themselves to getting a job more than others.

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Bingo.

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Originally Posted by Melf

Let me phrase it another way. You say that a lot of people consider math to be a language. So, for you to understand math, you would have to be able to think, no? How do you form a coherent thought, if not with the same language apparatus that allowed you to learn the rules of morphology, syntax, vocabulary, etc? You cannot even grasp what those mathematical symbols mean unless you have something about them internalized. How would you do that without language? This goes for all native speakers of all languages, mind you, not just English.

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You know how that reads?

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<Melf> Like oh my god, the human brains ability to make language is so awesome. I like need to dedicate my life to learning about it. ^_^

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Shit man, I fucking love tits, but I'm not going to claim that people who study breast, are super important.

To me, a subject being important does not make a major in that subject important.

See this is where this is no longer an objective conversation. It should be obvious to you that I have different ways of ranking the importance of things than you do.

I apparently rank knowledge that produces skills and end products higher than you. And to me it seems that you hold skills in a lower regard than the knowledge itself.

I rank tech, eng, and medicine higher because I value the end product a lot. I think you disagree with me because you value a subject being interesting more so than something boring that is more useful.

Its like, I look at something and want to know what you can do with it. You look at something, and you want to know how interesting it is, or how important is it.