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YES!! Now THIS is the kinda thing I got my GBA for :D
Cripe, GBA looks like its pulling off some Saturn worthy animation levels in that movie...(weapons and some of the explosions,etc.)
BTW, this HAS been announced for USA release? RIGHT?? -_- (presumably by Sega, they're publishing Gunstar Super Heroes, and they also published Astro Boy:The Omega Factor (also by Treasure) in the USA..)
So anybody know for sure about a USA release for this game?
Yes.
LOL
That video makes me wet.
I love Game Boy Advance. Games like this are the only reason portable gaming is actually worthwhile.
I just started playing Advance Guardian Heroes and it's very awesome. I never got to play the Saturn original so I've no idea how it stacks up, but as its own game AGH is great and really makes me excited about Gunstar Heroes (and makes me want to go get Astro Boy).
It's actually a WHOLE LOT worse than the original,Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
Looks damn nice, a lot better than AGH.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed AGH, but it looked pretty shitty.
Is there a reference I'm missing?Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
Found it! ;)
What does it matter? Imports work on US systems.Quote:
Originally Posted by dhowerter
I still think Gunstar Heroes sucks and have never understood why people are so enamored with it, but I'd like to try this new one. I hope it doesn't have those patented overly complex Treasure controls, but I'm going to guess it does.
What "overly complex Treasure controls"? The only games I can think of that are somewhat complicated are Silhouette Mirage and Sin & Punishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaneda
Are you kidding? In addition to Silhouette Mirage and Sin and Punishment, there's Astro Boy, Mischief Makers, Alien Soldier, Radiant Silvergun, and Dynamite Headdy. So pretty much every Treasure game I've ever played.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaoofNee
I like how the weapon combos actually change the look of your weapon sprite. Chaser + Laser actually looks like a lightsaber, and Fire + Shot looks like a big bazooka.
Fuck the PSP, I'm just going to buy this and call it a day.
Astro Boy: Jump, Dash, Punch, Laser, and three supers?
Mischief Makers: Dash-dash, shake-shake. Not bad.
Dynamite Headdy: Jump, attack, lose head. Complex?
Haven't played RS or AS, so I can't vouch. I seriously, can't see what you're saying. Most of Treasure's games are easy to learn but difficult to master, like Othello or message board trolling. But, I can't turn your view away from something you didn't enjoy all too much when you experienced it: David Hume would cry.
Astro Boy had way more moves than a hori shooter/platformer needs, Dynamite Headdy had like a dozen dumb heads to keep track of and a first level tutorial that I remember took too long, Mischief Makers...been ages since I played, but it sucked and had weird puzzles, I just remember the controls sucking along with it, Radiant Silvergun has like 6 different shots and close range swords and shit, Alien Soldier is similar to Astro Boy with way too many commands to keep track of. Basically, Treasure takes a simple genre and prevents any sort of pick-up-and-play that better games usually allow. Oddly enough, Ikaruga, while one of their deepest games, is probably their simplest.
In Dynamite Headdy you can skip the tutorials. There is jump and throw your head...the rest of the heads you pick up just use the throw your head button and do different attacks. It is easier than Mario World. I could go on about the other games but I don't think this is a big deal.
Control-wise, or difficulty? Because I could never get past the last couple of Headdy levels back in the day ;__;Quote:
Originally Posted by Valgar
I'm not sure that's what's going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by sleeveboy
Quote:
some things have been altered and perhaps even improved. You can't, for example, combine weapons this time around -- but in exchange you're given access to three different weapons at all times (Red and Blue each have their own unique variances on Rapid, Homing, and Explosive fire).
Dynamite Headdy had the simplest and most straightforward control scheme you could want. You're complaining because it had like 6 different powerups in the whole game? How did you play contra then, douche?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaneda
Speaking of Contra, Gunstar Hearoes has the same control scheme as it and metal slug, with one added button to change weapons. Does that really throw a wrench in the works?
Astroboy even had a jump and a punch button, with two supers mapped to the triggers, and a double jump/dash. It was about as tried and true as it gets. I don't know how the fuck that qualifies as overly complicated, unless you're the type that's overwhelmed by Double Dragon 1. Anyway, I'm not going to go on, but Treasure is known for pretty simple control schemes really. Possible exception being Alien Soldier. And maybe silhouette mirage.
Control, Headdy does get hard. It took me a good week to beat it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
But there’s not enough cynicism in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
I was just trying to pick up the slack.
It's called the spread gun, asshole!Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Wasn't complaining about GH's controls. I was just wondering how they'd try to make a run and gun more complex than it should be.Quote:
Speaking of Contra, Gunstar Hearoes has the same control scheme as it and metal slug, with one added button to change weapons. Does that really throw a wrench in the works?
Basically, I can and have destroyed all games that I've come across. It's just that as an experienced gamer, I find Treasure's control schemes gratuitously complex. Radiant Silvergun is "the mother of shooters" because you have swords and a million dumbass manuevers. No thanks. The best arcade games have managed to make ultra deep gameplay with only 2 or 3 button commands, that's really all you need.Quote:
Astroboy even had a jump and a punch button, with two supers mapped to the triggers, and a double jump/dash. It was about as tried and true as it gets. I don't know how the fuck that qualifies as overly complicated, unless you're the type that's overwhelmed by Double Dragon 1. Anyway, I'm not going to go on, but Treasure is known for pretty simple control schemes really. Possible exception being Alien Soldier. And maybe silhouette mirage.
Iuchi just wanted to make a different shooter where you were loaded with weapons (6+sword), and they ARE all used. He did this and made a smart control scheme using 3 buttons (and it makes sense). It doesn't matter if CAVE or whoever uses 2-3 buttons in theirs, because it isn't the same idea.
Yeah, I was gonna say, RS only has 3 buttons.
But it did have a 3 button scheme. All of Treasure's games packed alot of depth around a very simple control scheme. RSG used 3 buttons for 3 kinds of attacking and kept that fluid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaneda
Frankly, you can ruin a shooter by trying to streamline the controls too much. Have you ever tried to play the arcade version of Mars Matrix with the one-button layout? It's cumbersome.
You can end up setting off the Gravity Hole Bomb by accident- this is something that should have had its own button. It doesn't kill the game for me, but it's sort of an annoyance. If the JAMMA spec has support for 3 buttons, Takumi should have stuck to two as they did in Giga Wing & Night Raid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
haha Frogucada, you're like Treasure's goalie. Looking back on the thread, you go for the throat of anyone who dares blaspheme. My point is that Treasure crams like 20 moves into 3 buttons and I don't dig that style.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
And yea, Mars Matrix JAMMA is horrid. I played like one coin of that and had my fill.
Eh, selectively. Obviously I'm a big fan, but it's more objecting to the specific arguments being made. I still don't see how Gunstar has an abundance of moves or how having powerups in Headdy is confusing. It just sounds absurd to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaneda
Treasure is the very definition of "hit or miss". But seeing as how this is, for all intents and purposes, a port of a Genesis game (and no, don't even think about correcting me), I can't see this being a miss.
Its not a port when its a sequal with all new levels and graphics.
It's pretty much the same game though on a new system, is my point. Like Conker for Xbox without the multiplayer. Not TECHNICALLY a port, but kind of.
Conker is a remake, its the same game with better graphics and edited swearing. Plus they added an expanded Multiplayer mode.
Gunstar Super Heroes is all new levels, its a sequal. Different story and such. Like how Half-Life 2 is a sequal to Half-Life. New levels, new story, new graphics.
What?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
It looks the exact same. It'll play the exact same. The original was good, so this will be. That's all I was trying to say. If Doom 2 came out over a decade later and was the way it was, it'd be very "port"ish.
No it doesn't, and no it won't. I don't remember being able to do flying kicks and uppercuts in the original, the characters are much bigger, which will probably affect the pacing of the action (hence the forward scrolling rail levels instead of stuff like the mine cart), and the weapon system is clearly changed, there seems to be a super bar... I could go on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
OK, so there are some minor (as I see them) differences.
Even if there weren't, it's still completely and utterly retarded to call it a port, or even a remake. Rehash at worst. Is Sonic 2 a port of Sonic 1? It's nonsense.
OK, it's a rehash with little graphical upgrade. That's what I meant to say.
Alright, fair enough.
Still, given the fact that it's been about 12 years since the last Gunstar Heroes game, this feels like much less of a rehash than your average yearly Metal Slug sequel.
No, I am not saying that it sucks...I was trying to say that a competent rehash of a good game = a good game.
Yeah, Ikargua and Advance Guardian Heroes were really really different from their prequels. This looks alot more faithful. I still think it looks different enough, but whatever. I'm glad the foundation is the same.
Woot new video! 7 minutes!
http://www.1up.com/do/download?cId=3139811
And shit does that look nice. And add Flicky to the list of Sega homages.
Looking good. I was a little concerned about the stage where Red just stands in one place on top of a ship shooting things until I realized you can move the ship around in circles to avoid enemy fire.
It looks like a retread of part 1, but if it's good, I'll play happy.
http://sega.jp/gba/gunstar/home.html
Official page is up, and I have some quickie impressions of the first stage. http://got-next.com/features_read.php?id=149
I think I played it for about an hour and a half across the three E3 days, and from what I've seen, it is pretty much a kickass rehash, so both you cynical bastards can come out to complain and fans of the original can breathe easy.
OMFG!
Saw the video and I was wondering about some of the changes to that first level, like that robot miniboss, chopper guys while scaling the pyramid and sliding down the other side, pinky not having her buddies with her to shoot at you from one of the arms plus stampide with bombs flying at you.
It looks incomplete to me with all of that's missing, otherwise it's good.
http://sega.jp/gba/gunstar/images/screen_5.gif
This made me grin ear to ear.
Holy shit. First pre-order in months. Hands down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
I played it with Sqoon looking over my shoulder and that's probably why I died so quickly. The game couldn't possibly be hard for me, no sir. The fact that I lasted only a little longer the other two times I played it must have been freak accidents.
Though compared to Robotron 2084 its a piece of cake.
http://www.gunstar-s-heroes.com/
I wonder who did the art?
I think it's still HAN. In-game it definitely looks like HAN's stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valgar
You'd be suprised. It was done by the Arizona Cardinals own, Kurt Warner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valgar
I disagree. It's definately not HAN on the site, and it's probably not him doing the sprites either. I think it might be Hisashi Fujita, if I had to guess. Actually it's probably someone new. In-game it's probably Dad Oginon.Quote:
Originally Posted by dementia_
LOL. POTY.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clash!
I'm assuming whoever did the art for Advance Guardian Heroes did this art. Just compare to the face portraits at AGH's official site. Was it not HAN who did the AGH art (which I personally prefer)?
Han did, in fact, do AGH's art, but HAN has a very distinct style, especially in the way he does faces, and GSH doesn't appear to match up in that regard. The gundam influence on the legs is very unlike HAN, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMonkeyMan
I'm revising my guess on who it is to Naoki "Naokiman" Kitagawa, actually. He did the art for Astroboy and Ippo (though obviously he didn't design the characters), the mecha design for Bangai-O, etc. It definately more resembles his work than HAN's.
Why does this game look and flow so much better than AGH?
I mean, I enjoyed it, but it has nowhere near the polish that this one looks to bring from that amazing video.
This should have been made for the Game Gear a long time ago.
The flow you could chalk up to a different director. Graphically... Again I think the sprite artist is probably different. But AGH's weak background art was really puzzling to me, because most of the artists were the same as Astroboy's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
Honestly, AGH was sort of a fluke. Ippo is one of the best looking games on the GBA, especially in terms of the sprite work. Astroboy looked great. Even Tiny Toons was very well animated and had very good sprite work.
Yeah, I love Ippo and Astro Boy, I was just very confused about AGH.
Just wondering if you knew something about time constraints, lack of funds, whatever. There has to be a reason.
It did have a pretty short development cycle, but so did Ippo and Astroboy (Tiny Toons was in the shop forever though, oddly enough). So maybe it could have benefitted from a bit more time in the shop, but that can't be the only reason. I think it might have had a bit to do with HAN having not directed a game in 5 years or done sprites in close to 8. One of the background guys was new, too. That's all I can think of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
Honestly, here's the real reason: Treasure is just inconsistent.
Well thanks, Mr Insight. Some of their games are better than others because they're inconsistent. That's like saying someone's wet because they're covered in water. Redundant zilch.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
The video, screens and impressions from Sqoon and Sam Keenedy @ 1up.com have me drooling. This is the game that has forced me to put a GC-GBA player on my to-buy list. Can't wait to play this with my Hori pad. :)
I was just telling a friend the other day that I wouldn't buy any more GBA games. Treasure has made a liar out of me.
The original came out for SMS/GG. It was, surprisingly, not bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swift
They changed/removed some levels in that one, though
Yeah, which was handled well. Rather than try to awkwardly recreate the original on incapable hardware they actually changed it and redid stuff to suit the GG. I think it came out well.Quote:
Originally Posted by rezo
The SMS one is now beleived to be a hoax, btw. The SMS Dynamite Headdy surfaced though, and is surprisingly excellent. It's not a hack of the GG one at all, but an honest-to-goodness port, with full screen graphics, a new intro, and somewhat reworked levels. Harder, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by kedawa
http://www.sega.co.jp/segachan/ch2/gunstar_pr1.html
streaming video there.
http://mojs.tk/~aleen/gunstar_pr1_bb.wmv - mirrored.
Yes, if you watch during 1:20 you can see MELON BREAD in the top left. I need new pants now.
So you're saying that two floating eyeballs, a floating red nose, and floating triangles that compose a mouth turn you on?Quote:
Originally Posted by Valgar
The video find is nice. That M.Bison guy makes a return, as does one of the greatest bosses ever -- Seven Force.
Those bosses look fucking amazing. I missed the giant segmented baddies in Astroboy, but they are back with a vengence here. I love how it re-imagines so many of the old fights so that they still new. And the graphics look unmatched on GBA. I can't wait.
The gunstar-s-heroes.com page also updated today. It's a pretty slick site, especially for a Japanese one. Looks like it reveals the history/plot that leads up to this game, but I can't read it of course.
Man, I've been avoiding this thread for months. The game looks awesome, but there's too many spoilers in here. I must leave again until it comes out, but unless the reviews abolutely kill it (1up had some negative impressions, but Jeremy Parrish might just be on crack) there's no way I don't buy this day one.
Jeremy Parish is a long-time Treasure hater. I wouldn't put much stock in his opinion.
I just watched the 7 minute video and this game looks fucking great! I can't wait.
All he said really was that it was broken into wildly varried and gimmicky sublevels, and now you'll have 3 more balanced weapons at any given time, instead of two shit ones and a good one. But somehow those are bad things as far as he's concerned. I'm not worried.Quote:
Originally Posted by StriderKyo
Indeed. Oh how I want this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
So it's out in japan now. Need ROM now.
http://sega.jp/community/segavoice2/vol11.html
New interview. Anyone know any good translation sites besides babelfish. The ones I used to use went down.
U.S. box art.
http://www.gamestop.com/common/images/lbox/161051b.jpg
http://sega.jp/gba/gunstar/images/package_l.jpg
vs
http://www.gamestop.com/common/images/lbox/161051b.jpg
The layout of the Japanese box art is much better. I'm surprised that the U.S. box art didn't incorporate part of the background from the Japanese box art.
I doubt that box is final, anyway
Usually once the ESRB rating and the Nintendo seal are on it, it's final.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Remember how crappy the US genesis gunstar boxart was? But yea that needs a background.
bahn's actually playing this right now. From what I hear it's nothing short of sweetness.
The U.S. box is fine, I'm just glad it uses the Japanese character art. It goes without saying that the Jap GBA boxes are almost always better. Heck, my Jap SMB Advance box kicks the crap out of the U.S. art. and it's just a simple cut of the game's logo in Japanese with a sky background. But yeah, I hate the square boxes and intrusive GBA gray logo on the side of our boxes. :sweat:
:) :) :) droolQuote:
Originally Posted by Rocca
This game is amazing. Although Sqoon is right, they maybe went too far trying to revisit everything from the first game. However, every boss or character or stage that's revisited has been reworked and plays totally different so it doesn't feel like a rehash as much as just too homage-packed. The vehicle stages are awesome, though, and the bosses are every bit as amazing as the best stuff Treasure has done. NAMI=boss god.
Awesome game although I'm not sure if I like it more than the original. I'm saving most of my play time for when the real thing comes out.
This game is much easier than what they had at E3. I breezed through Minion Soldier; I could barely make a dent in him back in May. I'm really busy with Sly 3 and Urban Reign, and I can't wait to really play it on the GBA Player - it is fantastic with the GC controller.
Ok, I polished off the game with Red quick impressions:
+ Graphics are downright amazing. No slowdown, great use of hardware effects, smooth as silk
+ Giant crazy segmented bosses and shitloads of them, just like the original
+ Weapon system definately more balanced. No more hoping for the right weapon
+ New move set and control system works very well; adds just a smidge of alien soldier
+ New vehicular levels are very fun
+ Great, great soundtrack
+ Set up well for score attack and time attack
and on the downside:
- Revisits almost every boss and level from the original in some way; makes the game predictable (the attack patterns are all new, but still)
- different bazooka attacks could have been balanced better
- A little short; maybe slightly longer than the original or the same length. Game save means this could have been longer (like Astroboy)
- Nothing of note to unlock; not many options
- Moon 1 is consipicuously longer and more varied than the other levels
- the touted differences in Red and Blue's games are barely noticable.
At it's best moments GSH is wildly original, but at its worst it borders on remake. But then if the worst thing I can say about a game is that it's too much like Gunstar Heroes, then I guess they're doing alright. Overall an ace effort. Better than the original in alot of ways, even.
The final boss rush is downright brutal as is. I hate to think how they did have it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sqoon
So even if this is basically a remake, you can't unlock the orginial GH?
I wouldn't call it basically a remake, but parts of it toe that line. And no, that's a pretty ridiculous thing to expect from a GBA game. They'd have to actually port it over and it would take up 1/4 of the total space on the cart and really take away from the main game.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonic6
Ah...got ya....either way I've been waiting since '93 for a new(er) GH...so I'm picking it up no matter what.
Frogacuda, how does this compare to Astro Boy: Omega Factor? Regardless of license, at the end of the day, which one would you suggest, if I could only get one?
Gunstar is the better game, but it's also signifigantly shorter, and Astroboy has a ton of crap to unlock, and other replay incentives, so if you happen to be the kind of person that needs an artificial reason to keep playing, Astroboy is a fuller package. Suffice it to say that you're going to be happy with either, but if it was me, I'd get Gunstar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kev
But really, if you can only get one, save up and get the other eventually. They're among the best reasons to own a GBA.
Thanks for the excellent impressions, Frog. Sounds like Treasure has squeezed amazing juice form another "underpowered" system. Can't wait to see the effects with my own eyes.
I just wanted to quote this because I now find it very humorous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Here's my official report:
http://www.got-next.com/previews_read.php?id=209
I heard differently... turns out that he loves Treasure, but tends to be divided on what he likes and dislikes when it comes to their projects.Quote:
Originally Posted by sleeveboy
My full review. Suffice it to say, at the end of the day I loved it.
Frogacuda- Loves a Treasure game! The pope is not surprised. News at 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Both your's and Bahn's review have me really interested. I don't mind it's short. Gunstar Heroes is one of those games that begs for replaying, not huge levels. But you know... It really has me itching for another Mischief Makers, GBA pleeeeeeeeeeease. Something with snappy control on a tiny screen= me XD grabble. Har har har, me make-believing that GBA will never die and everyone will produce these dream games.
Don't even hope for a new Mischief Makers. Treasure has burnt the Enix bridge witht he legal debacle surrounding Rakugaki Showtime. Enix still holds the rights to the characters. It's just not going to happen.
And really, Wario World was enough for me. I've honestly never been the type who really needed sequels from Treasure. To me, Alien soldier and Silhouette mirage were sequel enough to Gunstar. I like the original properties from Treasure, but with the industry how it is today, no one seems to be willing to foot the bill for the development of a new franchise and Treasure doesn't have the money to develop an original property on their own. Sucks.