Religion

So, according to prisoner, believing in Evolution is having faith that all the thousands of articles that have been written on evolution and the decades of research based on the theory of evolution are true. But believing in creationism means having faith that they are all wrong and that some stories people tell are the truth, despite overwhelming evidence against them.

No, again... I hold that the earth is 10,000 years old (at most). All those guys were the same kind of human that we are today, and that (I believe) we have always been.

Look, I understand that from an evolutionary standpoint, this just doesn't make sense. As I said, I used to be a diehard athiestic evolutionist, then a Christian evolutionist (God used evolution to create the world)... You are right in that it doesn't add up. Some honest-to-God Christians can do the doublethink thing, mainly because they don't take the time to compare what Evolutionary theory and Biblical Creationist theory have to say about the two. Yes, the two don't mesh... but I chose to trust God. To me, it all came down to this: I see organisms and cycles in nature that not only are orderly, but seem to have a specific function. I see signs of engineering in the world around me. If you find a Rolex on the ground, do you think that the sand coagulated over billions of years to form a device with specialized mechanical function? Or do you see a carefully crafted precision time piece (thank you Kay Jewelers...)? I don't know about you, but I see a super-expensive Swiss time piece, not a product of millions of years of chance. I see the same specific, specialized function in living organisms, and it stands that where there is an engineered function, there is an Engineer.

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Originally Posted by Daddy Warbuk$

Gozen,

Actually I am aware of the method, but it's 6 of one things, a half dozen of another, does it really fucking matter if it proves the same point? Settle down, cowboy, you're going to pop an artery you annoying sack of shit, I'd hate to be your dad, nerd.

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Now this is classic.

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Originally Posted by Mman

So, according to prisoner, believing in Evolution is having faith that all the thousands of articles that have been written on evolution and the decades of research based on the theory of evolution are true. But believing in creationism means having faith that they are all wrong and that some stories people tell are the truth, despite overwhelming evidence against them.

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Evolutionist use biology, chemistry, physics, mathematics, and all the subsets of those sciences... so do Creationist. How they put the data together is what differs. Same data, different construction. Chlorophyll is chlorophyll, irregardless of whether the scientist studying it is an Evolutionist or a Creationist.

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Originally Posted by prisoner38911301

No, again... I hold that the earth is 10,000 years old (at most). All those guys were the same kind of human that we are today, and that (I believe) we have always been.

Look, I understand that from an evolutionary standpoint, this just doesn't make sense. As I said, I used to be a diehard athiestic evolutionist, then a Christian evolutionist (God used evolution to create the world)... You are right in that it doesn't add up. Some honest-to-God Christians can do the doublethink thing, mainly because they don't take the time to compare what Evolutionary theory and Biblical Creationist theory have to say about the two. Yes, the two don't mesh... but I chose to trust God. To me, it all came down to this: I see organisms and cycles in nature that not only are orderly, but seem to have a specific function. I see signs of engineering in the world around me. If you find a Rolex on the ground, do you think that the sand coagulated over billions of years to form a device with specialized mechanical function? Or do you see a carefully crafted precision time piece (thank you Kay Jewelers...)? I don't know about you, but I see a super-expensive Swiss time piece, not a product of millions of years of chance. I see the same specific, specialized function in living organisms, and it stands that where there is an engineered function, there is an Engineer.

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But there is not perfection like this in organisms. Organisms are almost always existing just barely. The littlest change in temperature or atmosphere or makeup of the air we breathe is enough to make our systems crash in on themselves.

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Originally Posted by g0zen

Now this is classic.

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Truth is truth brother.

You're an annoying fuckwit.

I don't know about the rest of you, but it is easier to have faith in myself, than it is to have faith in something a lot of dickass nutbars are telling me, considering how irregular what they are telling me is compared to everything else I've experienced in my life.

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Originally Posted by prisoner38911301

Evolutionist use biology, chemistry, physics, mathematics, and all the subsets of those sciences... so do Creationist. How they put the data together is what differs. Same data, different construction. Chlorophyll is chlorophyll, irregardless of whether the scientist studying it is an Evolutionist or a Creationist.

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Wrong, evolutionist do not use biology. Biologists use evolution. In fact evolution is the basis for nearly all current important biological knowledge.

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Originally Posted by Mman

Wrong, evolutionist do not use biology. Biologists use evolution. In fact evolution is the basis for nearly all current important biological knowledge.

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Correct.

However on part two of your statement, that evolution is the basis for all current important biological knowledge is jumping the gun. I agree that it is a large part of the studies, however we aren't advanced enough to be able to grasp evolution at the molecular level.Which is were the key to unlocking the past remains. Today, as in the past, observation of current living organisms impact on our ecosystem is still the tool biologists use the most.

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Originally Posted by Daddy Warbuk$

Truth is truth brother.

You're an annoying fuckwit.

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Why? Because I showed you had no idea what you were talking about in this discussion? I even had to correct you on the Gnostics, whom I'm sure you've never actually read anything about but rather heard somewhere and picked it up as a talking point to try and feign intelligence. The same with Relative Dating, you completely discount it without showing any credible reason.

You're an idiot and I've handily proven it. Now, your simpleton feelings are hurt and you're lashing back with whatever grade-school curse word transmutations you can think of. Keep'um coming, I say. You're just digging a deeper hole for yourself.