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I'm not suggesting that we entirely grasp evolution in it's entirety. However, even in observing the impact on living organisms on their enviroment, biologists observe within the contexts of evolution. Ecology was one of the first fields to be heavily altered by evolution and the roots of those thoughts are almost the entire basis for Darwins work.
Very true, I do not deny this... however, my reasoning is thus: When sin entered the world, it introduced death, not only to man, but upon all the ecosystem as well. Because of this, it has introduced an overbearing strain upon the ecosystem that was never meant to be there. This strain is what causes organisms to become extinct, and is, I believe, compatible with the second law of thermodynamics. Because of sin, our planet is constantly going from order to disorder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mman
Yes, I don't expect you to immediately believe this, and moreover, I was expecting this kind of questioning that I readily and honestly admit is still quite over my head... but I've given you not only that website, but the email addresses of two of my most trusted professors and friends. I'm still learning a great deal of all this. You considered the website I've given biased... Why? Because it bases it's belief on the Bible, and comes from a creationist perspective? I ask, would an evolutionist website be any less biased? Both seek to prove there respective points, and thus both are biased in at least some form or fashion. However, as I have stated, if you truly believe in evolution, you're not alone... what is most important is establishing a relationship with Jesus Christ, which is why I've posted what I've posted. My concern is not whether Evolution or Creation are correct, my concern is that when I check out (whenever that may be), I'll be able to invite all you guys to my pad in heaven... I wrote what I wrote to proclaim that, whether you believe it or not, whether you want it or not, Christ loves you, and wants to be in your life... and as I have said, I do this as a friend of all of you. Whether you accept Christs Lordship or not is between you and Christ, and whether you want me as a friend or not, that's between you and I... but my door is always open, and though I may joke and curse and say some shit, I do consider all y'all my friends... If I didn't give a shit, I'd have upped and left a long time ago.
Again, you're speaking beyond your understanding. Evolution IS the basis for much of modern science's greatest achievements, even on the cellular and molecular levels. In fact, part of the founding of genetics as a field of research was on the basis of supporting the existence of evolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daddy Warbuk$
Hmmmm, Gozen, or maybe, just maybe, I have read Gnostics.
Such as the Gospel of John, familiar? I'm sure you know that's the one where Jesus blatently contradicts all depiction of him in the bible, care to discuss in length? Care to tell me what Jesus said to John we he called him aside, I have always been curious since it's not mentioned.
See I have fun on the board, you, fucktard, take it seriously.
Relative dating is something that I didn't study in college, I took engineering, and would love to discuss thermodynamics with you anytime you choose. Am I familiar with the term? yes, can I discuss it with a dick with ears who tries to overstate his intelligence? Probably not.
You're living in a glass shack, stop trying to toss those stones.
Why should we listen to you prisoner when you base all your beliefs out of admitted ignorance and fear? I have been to the site and all it does it restate its beliefs over and over again with references to different bible quotes. There is no more valid argument there then what you are writing here.
No, an evolutionist website isn't biased because its views are based on scientific evidence. If there were real evidence of creationism it would be there. Science's goal isn't to disprove religion, it's to explain what we know about the natural world with the evidence we have collected. The fact that this comes into such conflict with religion only serves to prove who archaic religion truly is.Quote:
Originally Posted by prisoner38911301
Ignorance and fear? Umm, no. I've admitted my own ignorance in certain aspects of creation science, which I have stated that I'm still learning. However, I would rather be truthful and admit that I am still learning many aspects of creation science rather than bullshit everybody. And though I have told you that Hell awaits those who do not wish to have a relationship with God, I've presented that as plainly and gently as I can. Yeah, it's not something anyone wants to hear, and I surely didn't want to hear it the first time... but whether you believe believe in Christ or not (and I'm no judge, as I don't know your spiritual condition, nor claim to), He believes in you. And as I've stated, Christ loves you, and I have offered friendship several times. I'm not holding a gun to your head forcing you to accept Jesus, nor am I saying that ANYONE here is a horrible, filthy sinner... If that were so, then I'd be pointing three fingers back at myself. As I have stated, if you don't believe in the Bible, or are willing to attempt to look at it objectively, then NOTHING it says will 'prove' anything to you. And again, I say that even if you do not agree with the young Earth creationist stance, the main focus of my writing this is so that some of you, any of you, would come to the saving knowledge of Jesus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mman
Took you long enough to Google it, anyway here's your answer:Quote:
Originally Posted by Daddy Warbuk$
Happy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pistis Sophia, Book One, Chapter 40
If you'd attempted to discredit evolution through use of thermodynamics then the discussion would shift there, but you wanted to debate evolution and you immediately denounced carbon dating and then relative dating. Now you admit you've never even studied it. This is rich. I wonder how long this would have to go on before you finally admitted you've never even gone to college and that you're really a 12 year old, as we've pretty much agreed you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daddy Warbuk$
Gotta go to class, then the rest of the night is Englilish Paper time (with triple space action...). Catch you guys in a couple of days, after I get this stuff done and I get some much needed sleep.
Piece Like an AK,
Kev Out.
Why are you guys discussing this with g0zen? He's a sociology major that knows jack-all of working scientific theories. If you could get scientists to lecture him for 5 hours on a bunch of nonsense, he'd believe it.