EASTER EGG OMG
Go into Containment with a sniper rifle and zoom in on the light side of the Halo wrapping the sky. Look around a bit, and you'll notice Frank O'Connor's smiling visage hidden in the texture. I wonder if there're any more?
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EASTER EGG OMG
Go into Containment with a sniper rifle and zoom in on the light side of the Halo wrapping the sky. Look around a bit, and you'll notice Frank O'Connor's smiling visage hidden in the texture. I wonder if there're any more?
The new maps are hawt hawt hawt hawt sex. My interest in Halo 2 has been renewed.
I'm especially loving the Urban Stage.
Too bad they come 3 days before I have to leave the bloody country. Oh well. At least all the maps will be waiting for me when I return. I hope that Bungie can keep pumping out maps that are the quality of these.
Well of course Halo 2, the largest media release of all time and the fastest selling game ever, would do horrible on PC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Changeling
Yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah, Turf is amazing. I especially like it when you get 3+ team slayer going on, shit really hits the fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fighter-X
Yeah I know, what's up wit dat?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
Ouch, this is actually one of the most poignant things Opaque has ever posted. I love how PC fanboys always like to claim their FPSs are better, more popular, etc. Yet, HALO 2 has probably outsold the lot of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opaque
Well they are better because they use a keyboard and mouse. Also because the PC market is booming right now, and the console market is in a huge slouch, which is why FPS's sell so much better on PC.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
God damn't g0zen, havn't you learned anything in this thread?
Short answer: No.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrAnDX105
Long answer: LET'S SEE YOU DANCE SUCKA, YOU GOT NOTHING ON ME!
You just got served.
http://www.lik-sang.com/news.php?artc=3495Quote:
Originally Posted by BrAnDX105
This is what it sounds like... when whiny PC Gamers cry.
welcome to last yearQuote:
Originally Posted by AstroBlue
it doesnt work all that well
I have given Halo a shot on the XBOX and just didn't like it. I just can't see buying maps. If there was alot more content and gameplay changes, then I could see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Destro777
I agree with you on 2fort but I couldn't disagree with you more when you say that there aren't memorable maps for UT. C'mon. Deck 17 . Hall of Giants. Faces. Hydro 16 . I really could go on and on. Those are memorable to me. If they aren't to you, thats cool. I could say 2fort is basic and there isn't much stategy involved, only sniping. We both know that that is complete shit, but I digress. UT has these same moments as 2fort does in my eyes. Halo fails to reach this zen-level of gameplay because it is held back by a controller.
If Halo 2 came out on PC at the same time as the XBOX, what would you have bought? The answer is obvious and the reasons are too.
I really want to know why you think that Unreal doesn't have the "fun" that Halo 2 has. What is the difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by BrAnDX105
It only sold like that because it is on the XBOX. Lets see Battlefield 2 or Halo2.... C'mon. Of course Halo would do ok on PC but it wouldn't be "the largest media release of all-time" Kinda like the way Halo was recieved on the PC. Quit being blind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opaque
Yawn.. Humor... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by BrAnDX105
I got it now.. Yer droppin a newsflash that more people have XBOXs than they do PC's. Wow! Amazing. Who would have ever thought.
The PC game market has shrunk about 15% last year and the year before. I dare say that the PC game market is floundering, as no games are selling unless they are by Valve, or Blizzard, or EA. When I started at EB there was a huge wall dedicated to PC games, now its relegated to one of those four ways where they normally put dance pads and Mad Catz controllers. A game thats on both the PC and Xbox will sell twice as many copies as Xbox, and guess what, publishers know this. Why do you think Ghost Recon 2 was canned for PC?
It doesnt speak well of the future of the platform, especially when you can have a game like Doom 3, top of the line type stuff, 90% accurate on a 4 year old console (and a better, more well-designed game to boot). We might be looking at the same sort of thing that killed arcades 10 years ago, when the cheaper, more convenient hardware started closing the gap and started to render the previously more-advanced tech useless.
And guess what, most people dont want to spend hours downloading mods and map packs and character packs and patches and drivers for PC games so they can play the game hunched over their 17" when they can buy a $50 game and a $70 live package for their $130 console that is, yes, just as much fun. And can be played on their huge TV while theyre lying on the couch.
As for the mouse keyboard stuff... if you started playing m+k first, thats what feels better. If you started playing controller first, thats what feels better. Thats all there is to it. There are people who still swear by the SpaceOrb 360, probably because it was one of the first ways they played these games.
The PC market isnt coming back until 2007 at earliest
Console games sell more than PC games? No shit?Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
I think EA discovered this about a decade ago. Glad to see you finally caught up.
I love the arguement "There is hardly any shelf space for PC games in a store the size of a fucking broom closet!". If you are going to judge something by the size of its shelf space, then the GBA is an utter failure. Also, when I walk into Best Buy, I need to walk past 3 rows of PC software to get to the 2 rows of ALL the console games. So much for your theory.
Your other points are valid. But what? PC Gaming is going to cease to exist? PC Gaming will become like Apple/Mac gaming is? Is that what you are saying?
I'm gonna have hot sex with three people all day tomorrow, sad am I that I don't have access to the hot sex everyday :/
No man, Im not saying market share has shrunk, I said game sales have shrunk. PC games are selling less and less each year.Quote:
Console games sell more than PC games? No shit?
That PC fanboys like Changeling cant see that he's in a very very very small minority and that most people prefer a console experience like Halo 2 over a PC experience like UT2004.Quote:
PC Gaming will become like Apple/Mac gaming is? Is that what you are saying?
As for where the PC market is heading... eh... it looks like its gonna be consisting of MMOs and niche strategy games. Not too too exciting. As for PC game sales in that particular store... when I started they made up about 55% of total sales. Now its like 10%.
Deck 17 is a classic.
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Originally Posted by diffusionx
I think most people are lazy or uninformed and like the ease of use that Halo 2/XBL provides. Its not that it is a better experience, its that it is just easier for the average, casual gamer to pick up on.
Until they enable a true KBAM on consoles, FPS will always pale compared to PC ones. Plain truth.
The level of competition, the variety of play and games, the payouts (CPL), the leagues, the communities. Its all on PC. If you are serious FPS player, it is where you play.
Halo is just all PC FPS's blurred into a blender and spit out for the masses. Like the McDonalds of FPS.That's not a knock. They took what made GoldenEye great, added a shitload of features, and with the advent of XBL, you have a million dollar seller and phenomenon.
Spoken like a true elitist jackass.Quote:
Originally Posted by toxic
Ohsnap, you called me a jackass! I feel stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I'm sorry I have caused you to go into internet rage because you play the FPS equivalent of Armies of Exigo.
LAWL.
It's the truth though. The south is eating up Halo 1/2 like it was fucking gravy and grits. Most country boys neither have the knowledge or the money to have a computer that will run a new FPS shooter at top quality, mod it, etc etc. BUT, they do all have the newest consoles. One’s like the Xbox, that have awesome online play.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I actually wouldn't have it any other way. I can see that I am in the minority. Fuck, look at all the misinformed posts on here(not all though).Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Everyone can go have fun with Goldeneye2. Just remember, you people have no idea what you're missing. Your loss.
Yes, slightly superior graphics and the ability to play as a gundam. I'm sure their souls weep nightly.
I would love to see you try and prove this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Changeling
Pot. Kettle. Black.Quote:
Originally Posted by Changeling
Not only am I casual (because really, 600+ hours on a game is very, very casual) but I am also completely average (I mean just look at my montage, I have no skills that deserve mention what so ever).Quote:
Originally Posted by toxic
Obviously toxic is right.
I know exactly what I'm missing: jack shit. Come the end of this year any game you get on PC will be easily ported to Xbox 360; where it will probably run better, and I can play it in a comfy chair on a big HDTV. And for right now my selection of current gen games is literally about 2 or 3 times bigger than yours and is defenetaly filled with more AAA titles. I've worked at GAmestop, I read magazine, and I frequent TNL, I know exactly what is going on in the PC world, and it's because there are so few games out there that interest me that I have yet to get a more powerful PC. Stop acting like an ignorant douche, you don't know more than anyone here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Changeling
I own Unreal Tournament 2004, and Ive played the maps and mods you've talked about. The game isnt all that. Hell, I installed it to give it another try last week and was blown away at how underwhelming it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Changeling
I dont know to what extent other people on this thread have with PC FPS games but mine is extensive. Say whatever you want, but I know exactly what Im missing and its not that great. If it was great Id be playing it instead of letting it collect dust on my shelf.
He's right you know. Since Quake III and CS passed in my life, both addictions that lasted many many years (I was playing DoD regularly until about a year ago.) there just hasn't been a new multi fps experience that is top-notch fun. I still play almost every FPS that I can get my hands on, but more and more my PC FPSes are shelved after I tire of the single player game due to lackluster multi play.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Battlefield 1942 would be just as "meh" on consoles as it is on the PC. And oh look, Star Wars Battlefield certainly is. Halo 2 isn't even THAT amazing, I got tired of the maps back in late December/early January, but I'd rather play it then all of the PC FPSes on my shelf at the moment. Except maybe Quake III or DoD.
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Originally Posted by Opaque
I'm trying to figure out why your addiction validates/contradicts any arguement. So you are not someone in the norm, congratulations.
Also, great job on owning 12 yr olds, and deep south Frat boys. If you posted "pub footage" like that on Gotfrag, you would be laughed off of the forums. Next time, post some movies from a CPL event or other major tournaments. Then you can brag.
How much money has 600 hours of Halo garnered you? Besides wasting the best years of your life.
Keep working at it, you'll figure it out someday.Quote:
Originally Posted by toxic
You're silly, and obviosuly don't realise regardless of who I'm playing against a no scope is still something only the top players can pull of with regularity. Even though there ar no 12 year olds in my video I would like to point out that the Halo: CE world champs were about 15 at the time that they won their first MLG event. I would say that age has very little to do with skill, and if you think otherwise it shows just how out of the loop you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by toxic
Also what is this CPL, if it stands for Computer Pro League like I'm guessing, then why on earth would I be playing an Xbox game at one of their events? Oh, but here's a fun by the by, some of the guys on my regular team, and almost all the guys from by Big Team Battle group, play in the MLG. In fact, one of them almost won MTVs best gamer on campus contest. But please, continue to tell me about how I only play with shitty players, I find it humurous.
I didn't realise playing PC games made you money. Shit, maybe I am playing on the wrong system.Quote:
Originally Posted by toxic
Opaque, you should stop playing games for fun and enjoyment in your spare time and instead join the CPL and join up with losers like fatal1ty to make money.
edit: I mean, hell, look at these awesome dudes!
http://attach.cga.com.cn/cgaattach/w...2887055475.jpg
THEYRE PRO GAMERS AND YOU CAN BE TOO!
Yeah son, for reals. You're wasting your goddamn life.
:lol:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Opaque
Way to own yourself. Call me 'out of the loop' and you have no idea what CPL is. It validates my point that serious FPS players (and you obviously are a serious Halo FPS player) are YEARS behind the PC FPS players.
http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/...pl?read=591918
Read up, maybe you and Mr. Mtv Pubstar can go make some cash.
You know it's funny, the top pro's play only custom games set to MLG rule sets, and everyone I know plays MLG rule sets almost exculsively when we play customs. Yet never once, have I ever heard anyone mention the CPL, or it's gametypes, or rules, or anything like that. I remember now that StK started out doing a smaller "pro" circut before MLG came about, but then they, and everyone else with talent, jumped ship to the big time. I'm betting that CPL was what htey left.
So what have we established? The CPL is to MLG as Arena Football is to the NFL. You know, I think I'll stick with the Online MLG.
I can tell you right now what Unreal 2004 doesn't have that Halo 2 does, and that is the team dynamic and social aspect of playing Halo 2 that makes it so fun. I have never played 1 game of Unreal 2004 out of my hundreds I had logged that I had as much fun at as when me, chux, Mzo, Gosh, Cow, Mog (and whoever else I am forgetting) did playing Halo 2 on Turf the other night. There is no team dynamic in Unreal 2004, there is no social aspect in Unreal 2004, and despite what you believe that goes a long way in terms of fun and longevity when playing games. There really is no way you can tell me otherwise either. Unless you're playing with "l33t" players I can say that on average 2% (obviously a general figure I made up, and I'm sure if I didn't note of it, you would attempt to pick it apart to try and find inaccuracies) of people actually use the microphones when playing Unreal 2004 online. Otherwise you have the bullshit command line talking interface that every other PC game has had since Doom. You need to realize that playing videogames is about fun, and not about playing the games on what platform is the best. I'm not playing these games to be the best, I'm not playing these games for perfect controls, I'm playing these games to run Chux's white ass over with a Warthog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Changeling
No I'm dropping a newsflash that your PC gaming industry that you're so protective over is doing worse and worse every year. Quit humping your PC and you may realize that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Changeling
I've kinda lost track of what I was initially arguing about, and that was in regards to online interfaces and playability online, and how Unreal 2004 doesn't have anything on Halo 2, or any Xbox Live 3.0 game out there. It's not because of gameplay, it's not because of balance, it's because of fun, and that really is what Xbox Live provides. Until PC gets some sort of standardized manner to comminicate with friends, join games, and other such non sense PC online gaming will be a step behind consoles (which it never will because of the way PC gaming works, and Gamespy is just utter crap). I never though I would ever say that considering PC gaming has always been the pinicle of online gaming, but that just isn't the case anymore. And until these elitist PC gamers open their eyes and realize that Quake 3 didn't just come out, and Counterstrike isn't this worldwise phenominon like it used to be there will be threads like this, with pages more full of arguments just like this.
CHUX IS WHITE OMGWTF!
:lol: Oh man. I retire from TNL for the day. Sorry for wasting all y'all's time.
" CPL is to MLG as Arena Football is to the NFL"
Backwards. And who the hell is StK? Look, I'm glad you have fun playing Halo 2. I would never think to stop you. But console shooters really are the JV circuit.
And how do you jump ship from something established to something no one has heard of in the quest to be the best player? That doesn't make sense.
Dear BrAnDX,
You put Mzo, Cow and Mog (three people who have barely played in the last five months) in your list but you didn't put me (someone who has played with you almost every day since forever)? I hate you. I fucking hate you.
Opaque.
I was actually directly referring to a specific game the other night, which you didn't happen to be in. But yes, Opaque is fun too. BUT I STILL DON'T WANT YOUR PITY TEAMS! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Opaque
I'm talking in relation to Halo 2. If the top Halo 2 pros are playing in the MLg instead of the CPL, there is obviously a reason for that. Besides, this discussion isn't about wether I should be playing PC or Console games anymore, it shifted to what I should be doing with my Halo 2 ability, so deciding wether pro PC or Pro console leaugues are better than the other is pointless and irrelevant. Keep up, it's not that hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
StK is the top Halo group btw. They've been the world champs running since the early days of Halo:CE. They've nearly never lost, and are some of hte few people that can afford to participate in these tournaments (since of course, their winnings will always pay for their airfair plus extra).
Nice edit save. Just because people you roll with don't mention it, it means its a joke. Ok. That keeps in line with your usual thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opaque
It's funny, I didn't think the CPL which has been around since 1997, and is offering 1 million dollars in prizes, was the Arena League. But, I am better off arguing with your friends, because they are the ones who influence your decisions.
I don't care what you do with your Halo ability. I'm happy for you. But don't give me this CPL and MLG and BBQ or whatever, because I actually know what the CPL is and am of the opinion that MLG is nonsense.
I would like to introduce you to Xfire, Ventrilo and Steam.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrAnDX105
Thier total cost? : $0 a month.
If it's so fucking big and if it's paying so fucking much, and keep in mind I'm only talking about Halo 2 right now, how come the top players aren't competing in it? Am I to be led to believe that no names are off winning millions of dollars but the top players in the world are winning low thousands because they just don't care? I have a feeling that either the CPL doesn't pay much for Halo 2 wins and the rest of the money goes to PC games, or the CPL just doesn't offer Halo 2 tournaments very often.Quote:
Originally Posted by toxic
"I have a feeling that either the CPL doesn't pay much for Halo 2 wins "
Because it's like winning a hopscotch tournament. They both are really, but this is worse.
CPL is definitely more well known than MLG
Anyone who plays games 'professionally' should probably kill themselves though
Look what I found, this is a wuote from an interview with the founder of CPL.
So what have we learned? The CPL really doesn't care about Console gaming and from what I can tell pays next to nothing for the wins; that's why the top Halo 2 players stick with teh MLG.Quote:
Consoles
What are your thoughts on some of these console tournaments popping up in places?
Playing on a TV with a gamepad or joystick simply does not seem that interesting to me. Although I'm sure many would disagree.
Do you see the CPL working with any of these console tournaments or possibly creating a new league specifically for them?
Not anytime soon.
What do you think console makers need to incorporate into their next console designs to help encourage these tournaments more?
Port them to PC, like the developers of Halo are doing.
Do you see these tournaments becoming as popular as the PC gaming tournaments or will the console arena always be considered more for those that are less hardcore and unwilling to fork over the dough for a tricked out PC rig?Not really.
I found out some prize info, by the by. Both the CPL and the MPG offer 10,000 to the winning 4v4 team at normal events. Except the MLG keeps track of points and allows entry to their nationals based on performance, where the winning 4v4 team get's 50,000 dollars. Also, it looks like their are significantly more MLG tournaments than CPL tournaments, atleast when it comes to Halo 2. So maybe the pros do play at CPL, but it's a side though.
But please Toxic, continue to tell me that the CPL really is the big time for Halo 2. Because, you know, you would know better than the fucking founder.
Yeah, CPL guy is saying "console shooters suck" ;p
But he wasn't saying that CPL is better for Halo 2. He was saying "post your vids there and they won't be impressed by the level of skill", you know, because that's what this thread deteriorated into.
Well, if it isn't a L33t tournament, then it should be easy for you to show up and own everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opaque
I did a little more reading up on it, and you are right. This is the first year the CPL has recognized Halo2, and is only offering 10,000 dollars for top prize. That can increase if the interest is higher. (Counterstrike paid out 100,000 to the top team)
My original point was, just because you and a few other console players log in 100's of hours into a game, doesn't validate that its a good game. It just means you are great at a generic FPS with nerfed controls.
Once the top Counterstrike, UT players start quitting thier games to play Halo 2, then you can say how great it is. That is not happening.
Halo had its shot at the big time (PC release), and blew it. Instead of being this transcendent experience, it was just mediocre. You can argue that Bungie didn't try, because they already own the console market, and that would be a valid arguement.
Who cares about the top players of anything? David Beckham isnt gonna quit soccer for the NBA anytime soon but that doesnt mean that soccer is a good sport IMO. But to a Brit, the fact that LeBron isnt playing footie doesnt mean that soccer is worse than basketball.
This is all news I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
Ha ha, this is so dumb.
Pro gamers need to kill themselves.
Halo 2 multi is one of the best multiplayer games I've ever played, and I'll continue to play it and the awesome new maps they've released.
THE END
If you put your controller down and have someone run by your screen on Halo, your reticle will follow them. CPL DONT STAND FOR THAT SHIT.
Opaque started this whole tangent by saying he was awesome and played 7000 hours, so that validates any and all arguements he has to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Which, as you just illustrated, is fucking dumb.
Well, when someone like Opaque keeps letting us know how good he is, it's only right to say "well, you're good at something rubbish".
I'm good at fucking the bitches
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Originally Posted by The Dave
Wheres the CPL tournament for that?! I'll give it a try.
No I countered one of your points by saying that average and casual players aren't the only ones playing console games and using Live. To which you responded with some nonsense bullshit about how I haven't made any money from playing then suggested I play in a pro circut that hardly supports Halo 2 in the first place, then called me out of the loop because I'd never heard of it (which obviously I hadn't because it's primarily a PC league). You changed the topic and I followed suit to show you that you still have no idea what you're talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by toxic
I might also want to say that the reason why the Halo 2 champ is offered $10,000 is because the game was released in 2004. CounterStrike was released in what, 2000? It's a big difference. And UT2004 plays basically the same as UT, which came out in 1999 (except for Onslaught, the cheesy Double Domination, and Adrenaline... I still think UT's gameplay is better FWIW).
Like I said, you tried to validate an arguement, by saying you played 7000 hours and are great at it. That is how you validated that point. My initial contention was that the average player is looking for a lazy, convienent FPS game. Halo fits that bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opaque
So after that, the arguement comes back to Halo being a generic FPS with nerfed controls.
Awhile back, my friends and I played GoldenEye for hours. We had a blast, probably the most fun I have had on a video game. That doesn't mean its the greatest FPS ever.
....Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dave
Such anger! I apologize on behalf of Halo 2 for being a fun game. It didn't mean to upset any of you in any way, but sometimes things like this just happen. I promise that it had nothing to do with the lacklustre sales of superior PC titles such as Mortyr 2.
Also, Opaque kicked my ass on the new maps a couple of days ago. I will have my revenge.
Not likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riptwo
But I have to try...for my brothers in Kyoto!!!
Even if you would combine a glorified AIM with an average VO-IP service with Steam you still woudn't have near what Xbox Live offers for all of it's games that are online. And isn't steam only meant for games with the Half Life 2 engine? Because if so I could really care less what Steam has to offer in terms of online gaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by toxic
What would you say is the best multiplayer FPS ever? Because honestly, Halo 2 matches up to the other ones Ive played (Half-Life DM, TFC, CS, DoD, Quake 2, Q2CTF, Jailbreak, Q2Pong, Quake 1 DM, Quake 1 TF, Quake 1 CTF, Quake 3, Quake 3 CTF, that TFC clone for Q3, Battlefield 1942, UT, UT2003, UT2004, Red Orchestra, Alien Swarm, Tribes, Tribes 2, AvP, AvP2, Daikatana, Jedi Knight, Jedi Knight 2, Soldier of Fortune 2, RTCW: ET, NOLF, Red Faction, TimeSplitters, TimeSplitters 2, Halo 1, and a few Im forgetting). If someone were to tell me that Halo 2 is the best online FPS out there I'd say, "you have a point". Its not a bad choice by any means.Quote:
That doesn't mean its the greatest FPS ever.
If the best people can do to establish H2's "superiority" is mention how easy it is to join a game, then something is wrong.
I'm assuming the game you speak of is this one. Becuase the other games you were in with me that I can find I was editing video during (instead of playing) and almost everyone beat me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riptwo
I would also like to point out how intelligent and level headed DiffX has been throughout this whole thread. JOY! :icepick:
I could name a lot of things that make it the best online FPS ever, and I have a million times in the past, just like many others here. Feel free to look up one of those posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
Well, it doesn't have the most balance (not even close), it doesn't have the best level design (symmetrical or asymetrical, also not close), it doesn't have the most experienced players (also not close)....so I dn't know. Pick up and play is not a criterion that I care about.
I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here. Like I said, play what you want. Just curious as to what makes it stand out.
I'd definitely put Halo 2 in a list of TOP FPS GAMES.
It pisses me off when Opaque proclaims it as the best though, because of how unbelievably ignorant he is on the subject.
Motherfucker never played nothing.
After the new patch, it very well is completely, and almost unbelievably balanced. Shit, I can fight anyone with almost anything now. A single plasma rifle can take on a BR, an SMG can take on a sword, a brtue shot can take on dual wielders or the rockets. Really, every weapon has a reason to be feared now, there is no balance issue. Also, play Lockout, Containment, Ivory Tower, Beaver Creek, Headlong and especially Turf then tell me that Halo 2 doesn't have incredible level design.
Shut your fucking mouth. You're just mad becuase I knocked up your girlfriend and Morphix won't pay for the abortion.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dave
I won't either. Stop calling.
OK...and I don't think it does. I think the architecture is too simple too look good for 2004 and the maps have either little flow or cluster flow where it's like Morbius for UT or something.
Exactly. It's one of many choices. It really boils down to your play style, and how much fun you have when you play it. Saying any one FPS is the greatest is stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
I'm not arguing that Halo 2 isn't fun, or convienent. I am arguing that it isn't the best.
I'll give you an analogy Diff. Imagine Armies of Exigo (a complete copycat, slightly above average RTS) gets released on XBL (EA figures a way to make RTS games work on consoles with a controller). It becomes an instant hit. Millions of people buy it because its the best RTS game on the console and it has easy multiplay capability.
Does it deserve to be mentioned as one of the greatest RTS of all time?
Hey man, you didnt answer my question. In your opinion, what *is* the greatest multiplayer FPS ever?
I want to say TFC is but Valve ruined that game with their shitty patches from v1.5 on. Likewise, CounterStrike got worse over time.
And to Joust: I dont think balance matters a whole lot. Quake 1 has absolutely no semblance of balance whatsoever but a good argument can be made for it being the best DM FPS ever.
THere is no best. Quake 3 is a very good pure DM game of high skill. Tribes was a very good teamoriented game of chess with an extremely large number of players. I don't think you get points because you can cobble a bunch of stuff together and its pretty good but not great at anything.
About the balance, I don't think anyone *who is not fond of Q1* would play Quake 1 now if it came out.
Opaque, just for kicks, give me a 'Played it' or 'Havent played it' on the following games, once for 5 minutes doesnt count, be honest.
Team Fortress:
Counterstrike:
Day of Defeat:
Battlefield series (specify):
Quake series (specify):
Unreal Tournament series (specify):
Tribes series (specify):
Soldier of Fortune series (specify):
Doom series (specify):
Jedi Knight series (specify):
So then you are saying a certain version of TFC is the best FPS ever?Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
It's impossible in someones lifetime to play the required amount of time to make that kind of assessment. Like any video game arguement, comparing one game from one generation to another isn't possible either. Also, with certain FPS, the game can change radically from update to update. (Cstrike 1.5 is considered the best by some. Whereas DOD 3.1 is considered the best by others). Even Halo 2 experienced this when it was released. Alot of the top players still preferred the original.
I have logged 100's of hours into TFC,DOD and Goldeneye. Dozens of hours into Quake/Doom/Wolf etc. and casually played Halo, Far Cry, Call of Duty, [fps of the moment]. So, I really can't comment on the best, except I have had the most fun with TFC, DOD, and Goldeneye.
Shit, if I knew that all along I wouldn't have been arguing. We all know better than saying Halo 2 is the greatest FPS ever. I know I definately never said that.Quote:
Originally Posted by toxic
We all know "It came from the desert" is the best FPS ever:
http://exotica.fix.no/gallery/games/...mTheDesert.jpg
Steam has been around since the summer of '03. Also, all HL1 games have built-in voice. It's one reason why they are so popular.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrAnDX105
Good job, X-bot.
Brand, please tell me that's XBox Live Enabled.
Like I said, I stopped playing UT2k4 because it wasn't as fun as Halo 2. I've had UT2k4 since it came out, played it for 6 months then just dropped it. I've had halo 2 since it came out, played it til like January when I started having network issues and picked it back up a month later and have been playing it nightly. The feeling of community is better in Halo 2 for me.
The gamebreaker for me is being able to play and have fun with the kids from the boards instead of anonymous leet kids on the intarweb.
Which is why I stated that as a question, because I didn't know the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by toxic
I can't really say much in regards to games using the Half Life engine online (and Steam for that matter), I played Counterstrike very breifly and it just wasn't my cup of tea. I do know that even if a game has a built in VO-IP service (Unreal 2004) most people who play the game don't use it. I'm not sure if that's the same for HL, but I'm damn sure that's how it is for Unreal 2004.
And X-bot? ZINGER!!! (most uninspired insult ever, at least put some heart into it toxic)
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Originally Posted by Geohound Omega
Exactly what I said before, yet the people arguing with us fail to recognize that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chux
I will post this quote for the 3rd time because it really sums up why I enjoy Halo 2 more than most MULTIPLAYER PC FPS's.
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Originally Posted by Me
My white ass enjoys being ran over, as well. That being said, there is an open invitation for those with turf to play tonight, as I'll be there.
I had Mzo all up in my grill last night, it was the hawtness.
If there is no best, then how can PC FPSs be better? ARGUMENT INVALIDATED.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
WHY SURE DAVE, I'D LOVE TO!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dave
Team Fortress: I played TFC for about a week or two pretty hardcore, then never really picked it up again. I loved being a Spy.
Counterstrike: I played it on the PC maybe one night heavily. I played the Xbox one for awhile, loved it.
Day of Defeat: Never played it.
Battlefield series (specify): Never played it.
Quake series (specify): I played Quake III (like everyone else) for a hella long time. I was pretty much exclusively interested in instagib servers though. Great fun.
Unreal Tournament series (specify): My PC came with 2001 installed, so I played it and loved it. I still reinstall it on occasion to play CTF on Facing Worlds.
Tribes series (specify): A friend of mine was a huge fan of Ariel Assault on the PS2, and eventually started playing it on the PC. I never could get into it.
Soldier of Fortune series (specify): I played through and loved the original SOF game. Blowing Iraqis' arms and legs off at 5 feet with the Desert Eagle was the hotness. I positively loathed SOFII, both on the PC and Xbox. The multiplayer on the Xbox was the worst of it, though.
Doom series (specify): Ultimate. Doom.
Jedi Knight series (specify): I played Dark Forces back in the day, loved it. I then skipped ahead to Jedi Knight, loved it too. I played a little of JKII multi, but got bored with it pretty quick.
I used to hang out at a crappy lan cafe, and I've played a lot of stuff for atleast 2 hours. I know that doesn't really count, but it was long enough to make me not care about them anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dave
Team Fortress: I've played maybe four hours of TFC, it was fun but just too old at this point.
Counterstrike: Between the PC and Xbox version I've put well over 50 hours on this game.
Day of Defeat: Haven't played.
Battlefield series (specify): I've played 1942 for a few hours and Vietnam for a few hours as well.
Quake series (specify): Quake 2, not very much though.
Unreal Tournament series (specify): UT2003 and UT2004. I've also played Unreal Championship and Unreal 2.
Tribes series (specify): Haven't played.
Soldier of Fortune series (specify): Haven't played.
Doom series (specify): Doom was my first FPS, and I've played 2 and 3.
Jedi Knight series (specify): I played both the first and the second one, no idea how much time.
"If there is no best, then how can PC FPSs be better? ARGUMENT INVALIDATED."
No it's not. There is no one best. There is no one best NFL team necessarily, but that doesn't make Arena football teams as good as NFL teams. Way to go, logic
You're the one with faulty logic. There IS a best NFL team, you know how we know that? BECAUSE THEY COMPETE WITH EACHOTHER AND ONE WINS THE SUPERBOWL! REBUTTAL INVALIDATED!Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
Silly Joust. There is one best NFL team...
http://www.newtown.k12.ct.us/~ndmc/I...20patriots.jpg
Um no...first of all, many years, analysts will say that the best team didn't win. Second of all, If I have 5 equal things and they are better than 5 other things that are all different, there is no best, but they (the first 5) are better.
Stop owning yourself, gozen, and get a REAL education.
This is ridculous. You're trying to say that ALL PC FPSs are better than ALL Console FPSs just because of the keyboard & mouse thing? I think you're the one in need of a real eduation. OPINION INVALDIATED!Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
"You're trying to say that ALL PC FPSs are better than ALL Console FPSs just because of the keyboard & mouse thing?"
No, I said there is no *one* best FPS. I did not say ALL PC shooters are better than the best console shooter. AND I didn't even say it had anything to do with K+M.
I just gave that 5 thing as an example so someone with a 1st grade education could understand it. Some of the second 5 could very well be PC shooters. duh
Then you've just completely contradicted what you said before.
It'd take a Doctorate to untangle your flawed logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
No I didn't. PC shooters on average are better. The best shooter is on PC. That doesnt contradict anything.
You just said there was no best. Man, you really have a short memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
Yeah, there is no best. Because there are several PC shooters that are equally as good IMO. I was talking as if you were to make me choose one. It would be on PC.
Not very hard. It's like here's 5 marbles that are the same, and here's 5 that are all worse than those. Pick one marble that you think is best.
GUESS WHICH ONES I WOULD NOT PICK
LAWL. Watch him try to spin himself out of the hole he just fell into.
What are you doing? Providing commentary? You're pathetic.
GUESS WHAT HE WILL DO NEXT
Oh my god, he's angry! This is fantastic. :tu:Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
I'm not angry. You're just an idiot. Someone who is 22 should not be saying "watch him crawl out of the hole he dug", especially when they say something logically flawed like "If there is no best, then how can PC FPSs be better?"
Joust Williams wins troll of the year.