Bush gives 58 million acres of National Forests to industries

"Oh wait, that's when you all get outraged and demand Animal Control come and dope these animals take them somewhere far away."

Riiiight, that's what I do when the deer come up to our back door.

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Originally Posted by g0zen

This is bullshit. Loggers don't log just enough to prevent forest fires, they log until the area is depleted.

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Uhm, I'm pretty sure they only do that in South America. With the rainforests and stuff. It's not like these companies are going to plow through fields with freakin' tractors or anything.

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Originally Posted by Joust Williams

Yeah, loggers do things like thin out what should be to prevent really bad fires, etc. What they cut down is sold, sure, but there's nothing wrong with that.

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Oh.... really?

The Natural Order of Things is that every once in a while, there's a big fucking fire, wipes out the old stuff, and behold, new stuff grows. Preventing really bad fires, oddly enough, is exactly the wrong things to do.

Huh? So the "natural order of things" is what we should abide by?

If thinning out a forest prevents fire AND gives us jobs and money, we shouldn't do that?

There's no arguing the natural order with someone who sleeps with his cat. Sorry I brought it up.

Yeah, because you were just about to look like an idiot. Better quit while you're behind.

"There's no arguing the natural order with someone who sleeps with his cat."
You have a problem with that?

Oh jeez, there goes my net cred.

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I think it's absolutely a terrible idea to open up the National Forests right now, not a decade after they went under protection. The logging industry makes lots of jobs and money, yes, for the logging industry. Fuck em! Keep the forests closed to all that for at least 20 years, then talk about selectively opening them up. I don't think we're having a run on trees quite yet.

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Originally Posted by Joust Williams

You have a problem with that?

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Don't listen to him. What you have is beautiful and should be celebrated. God speed, feliniphile.

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Originally Posted by YellerDog

The Natural Order of Things is that every once in a while, there's a big fucking fire, wipes out the old stuff, and behold, new stuff grows. Preventing really bad fires, oddly enough, is exactly the wrong things to do.

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You're simplifying it...

The true natural order is that every once in a while there is a small fire, that burns up all of the small trees without any defenses against fire (leaves low on the tree, flammable leaves, etc) and also burns the organic-buildup that has amounted over the years prior to the fire (leaves falling, decay, etc). When you prevent these fires, the organic buildup on the floor becomes greater and greater, which in turn causes any fire that would break out to be far worse than normal, and will burn up all of the trees, not just ones without defenses.

So when smaller fires occur, it keeps huge fires from breaking out and allows the large trees left afterwards to re-seed the ground that was burnt.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

Eh, just to play devil's advocate, its a well known fact that logging companies take great care of the forests, better care in fact than the Department of the Interior, with regards to replanting and what not.

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Logging companies will destroy land. My family has some property we've had logged before, genrally we hire a ranger to supervise and make sure the logging company is leaving it in a suitable state and replant. I'm not sure why but recently we had a section done without a ranger's supervision, and when we saw it last summer we found they had devistated the area and hadn't cleaned anything. The logging companies only take care of the environmental stuff if there is someone riding them on it.