Next Generation magazine returning.

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Originally Posted by sethsez

Oh great, a "what is art" debate. These are always fun.

Architechture, on the whole, generally doesn't have much to say about the human condition. However, that doesn't mean it's not art.

Piercing dissonance isn't particularly beautiful, but that doesn't mean it can't be art.

Sorry, but claiming that all of videogames are not art because of Tony Hawk, Sonic, et al is like claiming that music isn't art because commercial jingles exist. The existence of commercial products does not preclude the existence of art within the same medium. And since no two people agree on what "art" actually is in the first place, it's a meaningless debate.

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Listen to this man, he speaks with intelligence.

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Originally Posted by sethsez

Architechture, on the whole, generally doesn't have much to say about the human condition.

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Architecture has plenty to say about mankind's place in nature and the individual's place in society.

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Originally Posted by sethsez

Sorry, but claiming that all of videogames are not art because of Tony Hawk, Sonic, et al is like claiming that music isn't art because commercial jingles exist.

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Give me an example of a videogame that is art (there are a handful that have come dangerously close).

I'm just waiting for Bandit to post a free subscription link in his thread.

http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/a...chmentid=15343

Video games I've played recently that have artistic qualities:

ICO, Rez, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, Gran Turismo 4, Killzone, Metal Gear Solid 1/2/3, Zone of the Enders, Siren, Street Fighter 3, Metroid Prime 1/2, Zelda Wind Waker, DOOM 3, Legend/Sword of Mana...

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Originally Posted by The_Meach

Architecture has plenty to say about mankind's place in nature and the individual's place in society.

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Videogames have plenty to say about mankind's competitive nature and our neverending struggle to acheive complete mastery of our surroundings.

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Give me an example of a videogame that is art (there are a handful that have come dangerously close).

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I can't, because we haven't actually definied what art is yet. Personally, I consider Ico, Syberia, Planescape, Ikaruga, THHGTTG (text adventure), etc. to be art to varying degrees. But then, there are those who think "art" is defined by the creator, and those who think it's defined by the observer. There are those who think it's defined by the form (in visual art, this would be the actual colors, shapes, etc) and those who think it's defined by what the form conveys.

Define what art actually is, in a manner that everyone agrees with, and then we'll talk. Until then, it's just arguing in circles about something that we don't even define similarly.

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Originally Posted by sethsez

Define what art actually is, in a manner that everyone agrees with, and then we'll talk.

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This argument is over. Eveyone shut the fuck up now.

sethsez has summed up nearly everything I have learned in art school in 3 years in the matter of 2 posts.

:tu: :tu: for you!

I think it's a matter of whether or not I want to pay 4.99 an issue to read one's blatherings about the epiphany on life he had while playing Wipeout Pure.

I could give a shit less.

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Originally Posted by MarkRyan

Video games I've played recently that have artistic qualities:

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I agree that many games exhibit artistic qualities.