Dead or Alive 4 - Official

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Originally Posted by FuryFox

I'm not sure graphical power is all that's at hand here. The art design for DOA characters was pretty much fulfilled in Ultimate. Their goal isn't to make them photorealistic, but rather fully-realized 3D anime characters. Looking at some of the unlinked screenshots, the game looks very good, but not a huge step up...but I don't see why it would be necessary. Things they could do to improve the graphics while maintaining their art design would be to add better physics to hair and clothing, add bulging/flexing musculature, better breast motion, character "skinning", detailed hand and finger animation, and just better animation overall.

I'm not saying any of these improvements are being made, but they'd be things you wouldn't catch in a screenshot.

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They for sure didn't improve the hair; it's one solid piece and it looks like shit.

Just like everything else in those shots.

1.5 ;)

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Originally Posted by MarkRyan

Take the jump from DOA3 to DOA4 and apply it to Half Life 2 and you likely have a good idea of what Xbox 360 can do (assuming these shots are real).

Now lay off the fanatical defenses. Geebus. I didn't kill your grandmother.

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No, but you proved that someone doesnt need to know anything about videogames and technology to get a job for a major game "journalist" site.

Did anyone think a game like DKC or Yoshi's Island was possible on SNES in 1991? Did anyone think a game like Doom 3 was possible on Xbox in 2001 (hell, or even in 2004)? Did anyone think that any of the dozens of hi-res, filtered, z-buffered PSX (Crash 2/3, WipeOut 3, etc.) titles was possible on that shitty hardware? Did anyone really think that Gran Turismo 4 could be played in 1080i on that shitty hardware?

No to all of the above. Fact is, we have no idea what Xbox 360 is capable of right now, especially since all we've seen are a few screenshots of a few *launch* games.

Yeah...but I don't think you're going to see the large jump over the years with the XB360 as you would in traditional consoles.

Why do you say that? Do you have any reason at all to think this system will be different from every system before it?

I feel ya, at least SNES' SMW looked better than NES' SMB3. There should be a major evolution. I guess Namco is just going to release a title with a lot of boobs on the launch day for getting clients.

Well yes. The tools available to developers will be top notch, and therefore, people have less reason to make better ones.

Well, I dont think these pics are definitive of the power of the X360 - If that is indeed what they are. They probably are just definitive of the programmers' lack of experience on how to get the most out of the system at this point. Either that or laziness on their part - I'm sure we'll end up seeing a lot of games that SHOULD look better but may not due to the rush of trying to get games for this thing on the shelf.

The second pic looks pretty good...they all look pretty good if you don't look at them too hard.

Something does not look right about these pictures -- and not just in a "omg this isn't toy story lawl" sense. The lighting of the models seems way off, and the characters almost look superimposed on top of the backgrounds. The shadowing looks really inconsistent too (look at the first and last picture -- one has very hard shadows, one has very soft shading, but they are both in daytime lighting.)

FuryFox brings up a great point -- more developers need to spend time working on making things look better in motion this generation, for two reasons: the effort on increasing graphical complexity and detail may be hitting the point of dimishing returns, and relatively the animation aspects of real-time graphics is way behind the rendering aspects. Look at that other game people are talking about today (Ninety Nine Nights?), you can put 100 soldiers of reasonable photorealism on the screen but they still all move in the exact same way!

Of course, this is all irreveleant if the game plays the same as all of the other DoA games (at least DoAU provided a solid online model, which by itself was a significant addition.) But who actually plays launch games, anyway? (Team Ninja should just partner up with Illusion, make a DoA h-game, and be done with it. Jeez)

-Dippy