Dead or Alive 4 - Official

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

Did anyone think that any of the dozens of hi-res, filtered, z-buffered PSX (Crash 2/3, WipeOut 3, etc.) titles was possible on that shitty hardware?

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Just a correction, but the PSX doesn't do filtering (if you mean texture filtering) or z-buffering. Most later games used a lot of workarounds to overcome those limitations, but the hardware never did any of those.

Anyway, it's not worth judging a system's ultimate capabilities based on first gen, titles. The documentation and devkits 3rd parties get are usually still incomplete well after a console's launch. It takes time for a knowledge based to be built up. Having said that, MS's SDK was far above par for the Xbox, and I expect it's the same for the 360.

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Originally Posted by Giga Power

Pretty much what you said, but with a leap over Ultimate on the same scale as the one from DOA2-3.

Seriously.

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I really don't remember the fighters in DOA2 (DC) looking a ton worse than DOA3.

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Just a correction, but the PSX doesn't do filtering (if you mean texture filtering) or z-buffering. Most later games used a lot of workarounds to overcome those limitations, but the hardware never did any of those.

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No shit, Einstein. If you read my post, youll see that I said the games were filtered and z-buffered, which they were - it was all done in software. Thats why I said it was so surprising to see these games do these computationally-intensive things on such crappy hardware.

All signs point to that new masked wrestler being Lisa. That's what a lot of people are speculating anyway. Especially considering Itagaki's promise of Lisa's appearance in future DOA games.

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Originally Posted by galvatron

I really don't remember the fighters in DOA2 (DC) looking a ton worse than DOA3.

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I felt that way too, about DOA2->DOA3, and then from DOA3->DOAU, but if you look at any of these games next to each other, the leap in quality is ridiculously huge.

No, it wasn't done in software. Z-buffering and texture filtering cannot be done in software on a machine that does transformation and rasterization in hardware. Those games were not z-buffered, nor were their textures filtered (in real-time anyway).

Damn, there's some jaded people here. First of all, this is a definate step over DOA Ultimate when you factor in the HD resolution. Second of all, games today don't look like DOA 3/Ultimate for the most part. Games today look like PS2 games. This is a HUGE leap over what the PS2 can do, hence a huge leap over what we're getting these days.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

Maybe part of the problem is the art direction, I dunno.

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That's exactly what I think it is. People are expecting tons of detail in the fighters, but they're influenced by anime. They're always going to look a bit plasticy and smooth because that's the look Team Ninja is going for anyway.

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Originally Posted by outRider

No, it wasn't done in software. Z-buffering and texture filtering cannot be done in software on a machine that does transformation and rasterization in hardware. Those games were not z-buffered, nor were their textures filtered (in real-time anyway).

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Jason Rubin, co-founder of Naughty Dog: "Like for instance, Crash 1 had no Z-buffer, Crash 2 had a Z-buffer."

Naughty Dog FAQ:

11) Q: Naughty Dog created the first software z-buffer for the PlayStation. How did you do it?
A: Greg coded it. We don't know how it works. It just does.

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That's exactly what I think it is. People are expecting tons of detail in the fighters, but they're influenced by anime. They're always going to look a bit plasticy and smooth because that's the look Team Ninja is going for anyway.

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This is completely right.

DoA won't get much better looking than DoAU.

I can't be bothered to read the whole thread, but I personally believe those pictures are fake. It is obviously some ghastly photoshop joke from some DOA-fanboy.