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Don't ask me....
It was Chojin's idea!:D
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Its a hard pick......
while we're at it ill bump up my post count too :)
Ack!
ill have to go with the Phillips CD-i.
I vote for King. :)
poop
:lol:Quote:
Originally posted by Ashod
I vote for King. :)
What the hell is this post? It's the PS2 that has a similar good to shitty ratio to that of the 3DO...
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Vote NONE OF THE ABOVE!!Quote:
Originally posted by Ashod
I vote for King. :)
did i sa y poop yet cause id just like to restate it for the record
poop
why is your text always red? its kind of annoying.
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or are you trying to be annoying?
I dunno, I think it's kind of original. I get most of the folks who don't post here daily confused as it is.Quote:
Originally posted by Rhydant
why is your text always red? its kind of annoying.
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or are you trying to be annoying?
And I voted for the FM Towns.
Leafs rule!!
I'm not trying a damn thing!!Quote:
Originally posted by Rhydant
why is your text always red? its kind of annoying.
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or are you trying to be annoying?
I'm BEING original. If it's too much for you, I don't know what to tell you.
Otherwise, DEAL WITH IT.
Have a blessed day. :o
One other thing-why is your text always white? It's kind of annoying.
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Or are YOU trying to be as "annoying"? :o
I like soup!
How about the Saturn and the Dreamcast? I for one would much rather have the GC and the XBOX then both of these dead, bailed on too soon systems. Anyone else?::evil:
Let the pussy aching begin.
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Let the pussy aching begin.
FUCK, that's funny! :lol:
Nigel...
You might as well have some Tampax handy...
*Mods, can you add the FM-Towns and also Saturn And Dreamcast?*:)
You should really get some sort of medication if your vagina hurts.Quote:
Originally posted by Nigel-The-Landstalker
How about the Saturn and the Dreamcast? I for one would much rather have the GC and the XBOX then both of these dead, bailed on too soon systems. Anyone else?::evil:
Let the pussy aching begin.
And I think the DC had more games at launch than the GC does now.
That's what signatures and avatars are for.Quote:
Originally posted by Seven Force
I'm BEING original.
And why so hostile?
Alot of good those games did for it huh? Besides, I don't think anything besides NFL2K and Soul Calibur was any good anyway. Sonic was decent, nothing more.Quote:
Originally posted by StriderKyo
You should really get some sort of medication if your vagina hurts.
And I think the DC had more games at launch than the GC does now.
WTF??Quote:
Originally posted by Nigel-The-Landstalker
Alot of good those games did for it huh? Besides, I don't think anything besides NFL2K and Soul Calibur was any good anyway. Sonic was decent, nothing more.
I'd take those two over 3/4 of the GC's launch ANY DAY.
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Originally posted by Nigel-The-Landstalker
Alot of good those games did for it huh? Besides, I don't think anything besides NFL2K and Soul Calibur was any good anyway. Sonic was decent, nothing more.
If your talking about launch games, well the DC had a better launch lineup, than any game console at launch. PSX had Battle Arena Toshinden, Ridge Racer, and what, Gameday. PS2 had Ridge Racer 5, Tekken Tag TTT, Street Fighter EX3, and Madden 2001. Most of those games were disappointing, and only Madden was considered a killer app in the US. Dreamcast had NFL2k, Sega Rally 2, Soul Caliber, Sonic Adventure, Virtua Fighter 3 TB, Ready to Rumble, Mortal Kombat Gold(Sucks), Blue Stinger, Airforce Delta, and Sega Bass Fishing. The DC launch lineup was considered the best amount of software at launch, for a console.
The biggest reason that DC failed, was because many people had more faith in PS2. The Dreamcast did very well in the US, and had several titles that nearly sold a million units, and the best games per console sales ever. Every DC owner purchased at least 4 games per console purchase. Most consoles average around 1.5 per console sold. Dreamcast even sold better, at this point in X-box and Gamecubes retail availability. It was'nt the X-Box or Gamecube that killed Dreamcast, it was the PS2. Japanese gamers had thei heads so far up Square and Konami's asses, it was'nt even funny. PS2's launch lineup sure was'nt the reason, cause it sucked. Japan actually had an increase in DVD purchases, right after the PS2 launch, because the console was a better DVD player at the time, than it was a viable game provider.
If your talking about games overall, I'm still playing my DC over the PS2, or Gamecube sitting in my entertainment system, as the Dreamcast lineup of games available still provides a far better amount of my playtime. It was'nt until November of 2001, that PS2 had a worthwhile library of games, only because games like Gran Tourismo 3, Metal gear 2, and Final Fantasy X came out.
As far as the Saturn goes, it was a better game playing experience than the PSX was for me. Sega Rally was the best racer on the market at the time, as far as I'm concerned. Virtua Fighter 2 kicked Tekkens ass all over the place, Capcom's 2-d Fighters were far superior 2 those weak offerings on the PSX, World Series Baseball blew away any MLBB offerings on the PSX and I enjoyed Shining the Holy Ark far more than FFVII. Sure the PSX had some phenominal games, but the Saturn was just out advertised, and did'nt offer Football fans a great game of Madden. It was far from a failure in Japan with over 5 million users.
3DO and Jaguar failed to sell even a quarter of the systems that Saturn or Dreamcast sold. They were complete failures.
Soul Calibur not withstanding, name 2. The DC sucked ass.Quote:
Originally posted by StriderKyo
You should really get some sort of medication if your vagina hurts.
And I think the DC had more games at launch than the GC does now.
I'll leave it to someone else to explain why the DC was pound for pound 2 of the best years of domestic gaming ever.Quote:
Originally posted by Zorro
Soul Calibur not withstanding, name 2. The DC sucked ass.
But NFL 2K demolished Madden, Power Stone was a truly original take on the fighting genre, Tokyo Extreme Racer outdoes any racer on GC to date (although F-1 could change that), Sonic Adventure was outstanding, House of the Dead 2 is a classic, and even Sega Bass Fishing provided crazy fun. And you can't say "Soul Calibur notwithstanding", since it is better than anything on the Cube so far, and was considered the best 3D fighter ever made until VF4 showed up two and a half years later.
But I wasn't talking about good games, just joking that the GC hasn't seen many games period, quality aside (DC had 16 games available on launch day). I like my Cube just fine, but it's no Dreamcast.
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Originally posted by Zorro
Soul Calibur not withstanding, name 2. The DC sucked ass.
Probably because you never owned one. Unless you've really played the games on a DC, your just another blind gamer playing hyped games on a PS2 or what not. I'm still waiting for the other consoles to provide such a deep lineup of games. Hmmm... Who has 3 of the current top 5 best selling games in the US. That would be Sega with #3-Virtua Fighter 4, #4- Sonic Advance, and #5- Sonic Adventure 2: Battle.
Here is the official launch lineup of the Dreamcast with a total of 19 games.
Sonic Adventure
Soul Calibur
Ready 2 Rumble Boxing
Mortal Kombat Gold
Power Stone
Marvel VS. Capcom
King of Fighter Dream Match 99
Hydro Thunder
Trickstyle
TNN Motor Sports Hardcore Heat
Tokyo Extreme Racer
Manaco Grand Prix
Flag to Flag
NFL Blitz 2000
NFL2k
House of the Dead 2
Blue Stinger
Airforce Delta
Armada
I could defineatly pick Armada, Soul Calibur, Tokyo Extreme Racer, Marvel VS. Capcom and House of the Dead 2 out of that list. I also enjoyed Airforce Delta, and Ready 2 Rumble. You may not like NFL football, but NFL2k was considered the best game of NFL at the time.
These games didn't make it out in time for the DC's launch. MvC and KoF came out in october, Armada in november or december.Quote:
Originally posted by gamevet
Marvel VS. Capcom
King of Fighter Dream Match 99
Armada
And King of Fighters '99: Dream Match is the best game ever made, for my money, justifying the DC's existence by itself.
Pound for pound, as it was stated, the DC was THE most mediocre system ever. Besides the few games that saw the light of day on it, the DC turned out to be nothing more than a rookie developers testing kit. Sonic Adventure and SA 2 were garbage. Sega waited until they killed it to bring out the remakes and the big guns. I really could go into a drawn out list, like some guys love to do, but I truly feel that, for the most part, video games died after Sega killed the Saturn. There were some truly unique games, games of skill, that blessed the Saturn. Every system after that has been nothing more than crappy attempts at big name publishers trying to cash in, with a few spots of sunshine in between. I doubt that we will ever see the hay-days of the SNES and Genesis ever again. The XBOX is struggling just like the Gamecube, simply because all of the games and game ideas that are on them now, have already been done on the PS2, again, a few bright spots excluded. Originality is gone and the market is collapsing. Sooner than later, there will be no "new" games, just rehashes.
Of the 32 DC games that I once owned, I played 4 to completion and the rest were just a laughable waste of money. I finished Grandia 2, Shenmue(snicker), Armada, and Soul Calibur(if you consider it a beatable game). Like I said, the rest were just crap. A very scant few held my interest with their multi player aspects, like Virtua Tennis and Worms Armagedeon, but past that, I really cant see why the DC had such a loyal following. Sega has never cared about their LOYAL fans and they never will. They screwed u all with the DC and they are whoring themselves out to the highest bidder these days. It is almost like pro sports is these days. The good stuff is almost all gone.
Just a sidenote. Sports games are not REAL video games and therefore never factor into my thought process. If you spend any amount of time playing a sports game, you are nuts. The level of ingenuity involved is a joke.
Look at all the people coming to the defense of the Dreamcasted. Wow.
Show me that part in the forum rules that says I can't use color...Quote:
Originally posted by Regus
That's what signatures and avatars are for.
And why so hostile?
I didn't think so.
Why am I so "hostile"? If Rhydant wouldn't bitch and moan about me using color (and to the degree he did, too), I would have been a little more tactful about it. It's not MY fault that he-just ONE user amongst a gazillion, can't stand it. If it's really that much a pain-in-the-ass, skip it. It won't bother me one bit if you do, but I'll be damned if something along the line of what Rhydant did will be aimed at me.
Have a good one.
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Originally posted by Zorro
Pound for pound, as it was stated, the DC was THE most mediocre system ever. Besides the few games that saw the light of day on it, the DC turned out to be nothing more than a rookie developers testing kit. Sonic Adventure and SA 2 were garbage. Sega waited until they killed it to bring out the remakes and the big guns. I really could go into a drawn out list, like some guys love to do, but I truly feel that, for the most part, video games died after Sega killed the Saturn. There were some truly unique games, games of skill, that blessed the Saturn. Every system after that has been nothing more than crappy attempts at big name publishers trying to cash in, with a few spots of sunshine in between. I doubt that we will ever see the hay-days of the SNES and Genesis ever again. The XBOX is struggling just like the Gamecube, simply because all of the games and game ideas that are on them now, have already been done on the PS2, again, a few bright spots excluded. Originality is gone and the market is collapsing. Sooner than later, there will be no "new" games, just rehashes.
Of the 32 DC games that I once owned, I played 4 to completion and the rest were just a laughable waste of money. I finished Grandia 2, Shenmue(snicker), Armada, and Soul Calibur(if you consider it a beatable game). Like I said, the rest were just crap. A very scant few held my interest with their multi player aspects, like Virtua Tennis and Worms Armagedeon, but past that, I really cant see why the DC had such a loyal following. Sega has never cared about their LOYAL fans and they never will. They screwed u all with the DC and they are whoring themselves out to the highest bidder these days. It is almost like pro sports is these days. The good stuff is almost all gone.
Sounds more like your just a jaded gamer, that has outgrown your hobby and are looking for the magic that systems like SNES and Genesis brought you as a kid. Get over it. I once felt that way towards the end of the 16-bit console era. I grew tired of the same old platform and shooters being done by everyone and their brother. Than the Saturn came out, and gaming became exciting again. Saturn was a great console, but to say that gaming died after Sega pulled the plug on Saturn, pretty much sums up how you feel about gaming in general.
While PSX, and N64 were not my favorite consoles (Thought Saturn was better), they did provide many hours of great gaming. I enjoyed Destruction Derby, Warhawk, Final Fantasy VII, Super Mario 64, Pilot Wings, Colony Wars, Zelda TOOT, Wave Race, Wipeout, and many other games worth mention. What exactly are you playing, if you think gaming has died since Saturn? Your jaded opinion is blinded by what seems to be a lack of enjoyment for videogames in general. I on the other hand, have'nt had so much fun playing games, since the launch of the Saturn, with all that Dreamcast gave me with online games, and exclusive content yet to be found on the other consoles.
I doubt anyone is here for any sort of serious gaming discusions since this is a joke thread.Quote:
Originally posted by Zorro
Look at all the people coming to the defense of the Dreamcasted. Wow.
I'm not sure if I totally got your point. While the climate of the industry is important, I think the happenings in the gaming industry is second to the end product. In other words, (for me) it all comes down to the games, and the DC has many of my favorites. Power Stone, Sonic Adventure, and Soul Calibur made the DC launch my all time favorite. I still play Soul Calibur to this day, Power Stone was an amazing breakthrough for fighting games, and Sonic Adventure was one of the last games to blow my mind.
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Originally posted by Zorro
Look at all the people coming to the defense of the Dreamcasted. Wow.
No, most people have moved on from this topic. The heading is'nt exactly a crowd gatherer is it?
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Originally posted by Zorro
Just a sidenote. Sports games are not REAL video games and therefore never factor into my thought process. If you spend any amount of time playing a sports game, you are nuts. The level of ingenuity involved is a joke.
Then what are they. Just because you lack an interest in sports games, does'nt mean they are'nt videogames. Play a game of Madden on a PSX, then play a version of it on the PS2. Big difference! Video games are about competition, and beating opponent, whether it be a level boss, or a sports game's opponent. The goal is basically the same, just a different way of reaching an outcome. I guess Street Fighter 2 is'nt a game either. It's just throwing punches, kicks and throwing objects. Does'nt have anyting to do with being a videogame? Is the sarcasm thick enough?
Full of wit tonight arent we?
Keep in mind...all of this is just my opinion. As a parting note, I have never been interested in "gathering a crowd".
And, no, sports games are not real games. They are simulations. I suppose that I could go on...but I will make this comparison. There are movies and there are films. If you dont understand the difference, then you are wasting time here. There are games and there are simulations. Films and movies. Games and simulations. And, to add a little something, all of the PSX games that you listed, Madden not included, I played and enjoyed. My whole point behind this was to point out the severe lack of ingenuity and creativity that developers show. Guess I took too much of an "intelectual" approach.
I'm surprised that this thread got even this many replies. This was really meant as a counter-attack.
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Originally posted by Zorro
Full of wit tonight arent we?
Keep in mind...all of this is just my opinion. As a parting note, I have never been interested in "gathering a crowd".
And, no, sports games are not real games. They are simulations. I suppose that I could go on...but I will make this comparison. There are movies and there are films. If you dont understand the difference, then you are wasting time here. There are games and there are simulations. Films and movies. Games and simulations. And, to add a little something, all of the PSX games that you listed, Madden not included, I played and enjoyed. My whole point behind this was to point out the severe lack of ingenuity and creativity that developers show. Guess I took too much of an "intelectual" approach.
That would be intellectual!
I could say the same thing about the 16-bit era. I could name maybe 30 or so titles, that I would consider different from the norm. Most titles were clones of titles done on 8-bit gaming consoles. The Legend of Zelda-A link to the past, was a lot like the original Zelda. Did it suck, hell no. Super Metroid played a lot like the original Metroid. Te game was still great. You did say, that for all intensive purposes, gaming died, after they killed the Saturn, but you then go on to say later that you enjoyed all those games on PSX and N64. I guess it did'nt really die then, did it?
Anyways, scoff at the DC all you will, but the points you have made, could easily be made of most systems out there.
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PENIS GODAMMIT!!!
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Oh I see, you're jaded - thanks for clearing that up for me. Never mind. Carry on enjoying not liking everything then.Quote:
Originally posted by Zorro
Pound for pound, as it was stated, the DC was THE most mediocre system ever. Besides the few games that saw the light of day on it, the DC turned out to be nothing more than a rookie developers testing kit. Sonic Adventure and SA 2 were garbage. Sega waited until they killed it to bring out the remakes and the big guns. I really could go into a drawn out list, like some guys love to do, but I truly feel that, for the most part, video games died after Sega killed the Saturn. There were some truly unique games, games of skill, that blessed the Saturn. Every system after that has been nothing more than crappy attempts at big name publishers trying to cash in, with a few spots of sunshine in between. I doubt that we will ever see the hay-days of the SNES and Genesis ever again. The XBOX is struggling just like the Gamecube, simply because all of the games and game ideas that are on them now, have already been done on the PS2, again, a few bright spots excluded. Originality is gone and the market is collapsing. Sooner than later, there will be no "new" games, just rehashes.
Of the 32 DC games that I once owned, I played 4 to completion and the rest were just a laughable waste of money. I finished Grandia 2, Shenmue(snicker), Armada, and Soul Calibur(if you consider it a beatable game). Like I said, the rest were just crap. A very scant few held my interest with their multi player aspects, like Virtua Tennis and Worms Armagedeon, but past that, I really cant see why the DC had such a loyal following. Sega has never cared about their LOYAL fans and they never will. They screwed u all with the DC and they are whoring themselves out to the highest bidder these days. It is almost like pro sports is these days. The good stuff is almost all gone.
So a simulation that exactly recreates a game is not a game? The mind boggles.Quote:
And, no, sports games are not real games. They are simulations. I suppose that I could go on...but I will make this comparison. There are movies and there are films. If you dont understand the difference, then you are wasting time here. There are games and there are simulations. Films and movies. Games and simulations.
I vote for King. :)
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Originally posted by Zorro
Pound for pound, as it was stated, the DC was THE most mediocre system ever.
....dammit. The main reason I was drawn to the GameGo and TNL boards was to get away from this kinda crap. Call me a snob, but I want to post with people unaffected by the whole mainstreaming the industry has taken. I'm...disappointed.
oh well
*boots up JGR*
So are you calling films and movies the same!? FILMS and movies??Quote:
Originally posted by StriderKyo
So a simulation that exactly recreates a game is not a game? The mind boggles.
bwahahahaha!Quote:
Originally posted by Rob
So are you calling films and movies the same!? FILMS and movies??
THIS IS INSANITY!
So, what have we learned here boys and girls?
*The Dreamcast only had two good games
*Companies send newbie programmers over to Dreamcast land to cut their teeth
*Films aren't movies
*Some video games aren't actually video games and a simulation of a game isn't a game
Wow, you learn something new everyday! :)
That would be like saying that cars are automobiles, which is clearly madness.Quote:
Originally posted by Rob
So are you calling films and movies the same!? FILMS and movies??
Btw - that films and movies thing has definite quote of the year potential.
You guys are killing me, no wait a minute. I think your slaying poor Zorro. Welcome to the TNL furums.
Movies are simply simulations of things that a Film doesn't simulate. Simulations of movies of a football game on the dreamcast caused the industry to have a lowered standard for games that dont' simulate other games.
Hope that clears everything up.
Ive seen Zorro around here before......All i know is that he likes the ghosts and ghouls series.
Oh man, that so damn funny.Quote:
Originally posted by Chibi Nappa
So, what have we learned here boys and girls?
*Films aren't movies
:lol:
You can all laugh now...but push me any further and I might be edged into using this little red button I have here on my switchboard. Mock me no more!!!! I have no patience remaining for your subpar intellects!!!
Cretins! All of you!(eye twitching violently)
By the way, "gamevet", I put "intelectual" in quotes for a reason. Yer quick.
Mwahhahahaha!!
And I still miss ECM.
As a parting shot...I will state that there is a vast difference between a plain movie and a film. As I stated very clearly before, if you do not know the difference, you suck.
You might want to let the guys who write dictionaries in on that.Quote:
Originally posted by Zorro
As a parting shot...I will state that there is a vast difference between a plain movie and a film. As I stated very clearly before, if you do not know the difference, you suck.
Film: Middle English, from Old English filmen
6a. A movie. b. Movies considered as a group.
Apparently they suck too. ;)
I dont recall ECM saying that gaming died after the saturn. I dont recall him saying that fighting games suffer from a lack of depth:confused: .....I think you need a break from gaming , play a little maximo or something.
First of all, ECM was a dickhead! Secondly, everyone needs to get up off of Sega's dick. They fucked everyone! If it was MS doing what Sega did to us over the years you would all be crying about how Bill Gates is the devil(not that I give a fuck about MS). Get over it! It's better for everyone that Sega went 3rd party. The guys that know they got fucked wouldn't go back anyway and the ones that don't know they got fucked are getting saved from their own stupidity.
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Originally posted by Zorro
As a parting shot...I will state that there is a vast difference between a plain movie and a film. As I stated very clearly before, if you do not know the difference, you suck.
I'm sure most of us know the diffence, between a "film", and a movie. A movie is a general term for any filmed story, which is more than an hour in length. Film, is a term used by movie critics, to show that a movie has some artisic or redeeming value. Wow!
So my point was, that if you really thought that gaming died after the Saturn, why would you play all those supposedly crappy games, after you thought that gaming held no value, after the Saturn died. Makes one sound like a complete ass, especially after you bothered to purchase a mediocre Dreamcast and 32 games. It took the purchase of 32 game for you to figure out,that you thought the DC was mediocre? Now that's funny.
Quote:
Originally posted by Zorro
You can all laugh now...but push me any further and I might be edged into using this little red button I have here on my switchboard. Mock me no more!!!! I have no patience remaining for your subpar intellects!!!
Cretins! All of you!(eye twitching violently)
By the way, "gamevet", I put "intelectual" in quotes for a reason. Yer quick.
Mwahhahahaha!!
And I still miss ECM.
No, that was just plain dry sarcasm, and poorly done.
But if MS had been making great games for two decades we'd all feel differently about the company.Quote:
Originally posted by Nigel-The-Landstalker
They fucked everyone! If it was MS doing what Sega did to us over the years you would all be crying about how Bill Gates is the devil.
What does a company making great games have to do with getting the fist right in your ass? I don't know about you but I don't care what anyone has done, I don't want the fist.Quote:
Originally posted by StriderKyo
But if MS had been making great games for two decades we'd all feel differently about the company.
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Originally posted by Nigel-The-Landstalker
What does a company making great games have to do with getting the fist right in your ass? I don't know about you but I don't care what anyone has done, I don't want the fist.
Regardless, the Saturn and DC still had a great lineup of games, even though the systems had short lived shelf life. I'm still getting more bang for the buck out of my DC, over my PS2 or Gamecube. How many great titles will the X-Box have, by the time it hits the same shelf time as those other 2 Sega consoles had.
I did love the Saturn. I think it had a ton of great games. I think the DC is the most overrated system ever. It had a bunch of decent games but I can't think of any GREAT games besides Soul Calibur, Code Veronica, and the 2k2 franchise. Even if these systems do have great games it doesn't change the fact that Sega doesn't give a fuck about the people. If they did they wouldn't have lied about continued support for the DC. They knew full well they weren't bringing those games out for the DC. They were making all of these hush hush deals with the other hardware makers. They just said that bullshit to sell the remaining stock of DC hardware. You can love them if you want, but I see them for the scum that they are. Do you continue to shop at the same store when the salemen keeps trying to rip you off? If so you're a dumb fuck. I for one go somewhere else. It's not like I really cared about any of the games they put out after the 16 bit era anyway.
Was it really that bad? Who bought a Dreamcast without knowing the odds were stacked against it lasting? It was hardly a great shock to anyone when Sega announced its discontinuation. And I sincerely doubt they did it to spite anyone; it was because they were millions upon millions of dollars in debt and PS2's launch meant thigns weren't going to get any better.Quote:
Originally posted by Nigel-The-Landstalker
What does a company making great games have to do with getting the fist right in your ass? I don't know about you but I don't care what anyone has done, I don't want the fist.
The one thing that I thought was a real screw-job was not releasing Shenmue II in the US and Canada. At that point they were on the cusp of raking in tons of money through their newfound third-party status, and selling it off to Microsoft left them going out of first-party land with their tails between their legs rather than their heads held high.
But other than that, I don't think Sega did anything to screw gamers in the Dreamcast generation.
This is always the response when I post like this. I KNEW all along it wouldn't be easy for the DC. I was even ok when I heard them announce they were leaving. The problem is from the god damn lies about supporting the system after they announced the bail out on the DC. You know they were full of shit. It wasn't just with Shenmue II either. That was just the final nail in the coffin.Quote:
Originally posted by StriderKyo
Was it really that bad? Who bought a Dreamcast without knowing the odds were stacked against it lasting? It was hardly a great shock to anyone when Sega announced its discontinuation. And I sincerely doubt they did it to spite anyone; it was because they were millions upon millions of dollars in debt and PS2's launch meant thigns weren't going to get any better.
The one thing that I thought was a real screw-job was not releasing Shenmue II in the US and Canada. At that point they were on the cusp of raking in tons of money through their newfound third-party status, and selling it off to Microsoft left them going out of first-party land with their tails between their legs rather than their heads held high.
But other than that, I don't think Sega did anything to screw gamers in the Dreamcast generation.
But they did continue to support the system - it was pronounced dead at the beginning of february 2001, and Sega's last game came out in february of this year. I agree, SoA could have done more, in the form of Rez, Headhunter and maybe Guilty Gear, but all in all they didn't just drop the thing cold.Quote:
Originally posted by Nigel-The-Landstalker
This is always the response when I post like this. I KNEW all along it wouldn't be easy for the DC. I was even ok when I heard them announce they were leaving. The problem is from the god damn lies about supporting the system after they announced the bail out on the DC. You know they were full of shit. It wasn't just with Shenmue II either. That was just the final nail in the coffin.
They did a shitty job compared to what they said they were going to do. That is lying! If you want to keep supporting them go ahead. I choose to spend my money elsewhere.Quote:
Originally posted by StriderKyo
But they did continue to support the system - it was pronounced dead at the beginning of february 2001, and Sega's last game came out in february of this year. I agree, SoA could have done more, in the form of Rez, Headhunter and maybe Guilty Gear, but all in all they didn't just drop the thing cold.
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Originally posted by Nigel-The-Landstalker
They did a shitty job compared to what they said they were going to do. That is lying! If you want to keep supporting them go ahead. I choose to spend my money elsewhere.
It was'nt that shitty. We recieved: Alien Front Online, NHL2k2,Tennis2k2,BombermanOnline,PSOVer.2,NFL2k2,NBA2k2,Bass Fishing2, Crazy Taxi2, Daytona Online, Illbleed, Outrigger, Last Blade 2, Fatal Fury:Mark of the Wolves, Sonic Adventure 2, Conflict Zone, Typing of the Dead,Alone In The Dark and World Series 2k2.
Sure we missed out on REZ, Shenmue 2, Gun Valkyrie and Head Hunter, but I think it had more to do with retail support, than Sega. Why would they take a loss, to make a couple 100 thousand DC owners happy. Really, how many of the 3.5 Million or so US gamers, were still purchaseing games for their DC? Shenmue 2 only sold about 160,000 copies in Japan. It really was'nt worth it for Sega to bring the games here, like it or not.
I bought a Dreamcast, because I knew that Sega would bring some great exclusive titles to it. I knew it was an uphill battle fo them, and knew that by the 3rd year, it would have taken a rock to the head,to convince the average Joe, to purchase a system like the DC, with all those other consoles available. I have a friend at work, who recieved a PS2 last Christmas. He does'nt know a good game from a bad one. I give him pointers, to what the good games are. I've mentioned Dreamcast to him and several others at work, in the past, and they did'nt even know what it was.
As a Dreamcast owner, I felt that Sega did everything they could, to support the system, and provided some great online gaming experience along the way.
Will I shun Sega, because they could'nt give me every last game for the Dreamcast? Why would I? I'm going to enjoy what great games they bring to PS2, Gamecube, and if I'm lucky enough to have one, X-Box. Sega is'nt one of the top 3 game publishers, because they make bad games. They just could'nt market a game console, after all the crap they commited into, like 32x and Sega Cd.
Did Sega really shit on me, as a loyal consumer? i don't think so. I would'nt have great Saturn games like Shining Force 3, Burning Rangers, Christmas Nights, Virtua Fighter Remix, Panzer Dragoon Saga, or House of the Dead, if Sega had'nt released them to those gamers who loved the Saturn. At least Sega gave us DC owners a substantial release of games, on a console that was no longer being made.
If you're going to bring lying into it, Nintendo has the all-time classic with their "N64 is an SGI workstation in the home!" hype. Next up is Sony with their missile-launching more-powerful-than-the-hardware-that-did-the-effects-for-Episode One - won't-be-surpassed-for-ten-years nonsense. Those types of lies are far more egregious, since they lead to people dropping hundreds of dollars due to fraudulent promises, as opposed to not spending money on something because it's not there. I'm not sure I even want to get into the morality of Microsoft.Quote:
Originally posted by Nigel-The-Landstalker
They did a shitty job compared to what they said they were going to do. That is lying! If you want to keep supporting them go ahead. I choose to spend my money elsewhere.
In other words, if that sort of thing is going to stop you from supporting a company, by your morals you have no business playing any games at all.
I was as pissed of as anyone, in fact probably more, that SoA sold off Shenmue II while SoE had the nuts to release it and Rez to a smaller market. It wasn't that I couldn't play the import, rather the fact that I'd suported Sega believing that they'd support the gamer back, that they'd go out with one big title that by rights shouldn't have come out, but would because Sega cares. they didn't, they went out like bitches while tiny Agetec hung on and published one of the best games in years, Mark of the Wolves. But obviously, when you're facing bankruptcy protection, the bean-counters win all the arguments. Blame the shareholders for all this if you're going to blame anyone.
It obviously wasn't an easy decision, SoJ's president was fired and died shortly thereafter. It sounds ridiculous, but when it happened I couldn't help but wonder if seppuku was involved (suicide in one form or another is obscenely prevalent in Japan). SoA and SoE followed with mass layoffs.
In the end, it came down to me being stubborn and not playing any Sega games, or looking at it realistically: Sega and its employees had suffered far more than I did in not being able to play a few games (entertainment! while people are losing their jobs!) on a lower spec system. The games will still come out no matter what I do, all that had happened was that I'd come face-to-face with the fact that the business had an ugly side which Sega, for all their good intentions had smacked into headlong.
Did they make mistakes? Hell yes. But they didn't make any of them to "screw" anyone. I'm sure if they had their way we'd all be playing 32-X and Saturn while Ken Kutaragi was working at Starbucks. The Dreamcast was wedged between Sega's reputation as a failure after Saturn and Sony's headline-grabbing PR war machine, and I think we all knew it had little chance. But man, I hadn't had that good a time with gaming since Street Fighter II on SNES.
Besides, I was gonna get an Xbox anyway. Morrowind looks sweet!
I hear ya, Strider. I was looking back at an old issue of EGM, and SOny was claiming that the PSX, could push 4.5 million Polygons per second. We all know today, that it was more like 600,000 per second. At least Sega claimed the realisic 500,000 polygons per second, with the Saturn. Sony has went on to claim that the PS2, can push 100 million polygons per second, and from the look of things, the number is more like 15 million max.
We all remember how Nintendo was pushin the Cd unit, but completely failed to bring it out. They kept on saying it was coming, but just could'nt get the facts out. Then there was the Virtual Boy fiasco. Nintendo cut ties with that machine, faster than a stripper, with a lap dance. How many games did the VB recieve, maybe 20 tops, and only about a dozen games in the US.
On a side note, it was'nt the president of Sega that stepped down, it was the president of the parent company CSK, that went into retirement, and from the looks of things, it was his time. He gave Sega a good portion of stock, before leaving and later died of a heart attack. What a stressful business.
First of all you're fucking crazy if you think anyone bought any system because of the bullshit SGI workstation or the rocket launching/emotion engine PR. The only people that even know that are the people that follow the industry, the same people that know better. And who the fuck are you to say I have no business playing games at all? We all know that Nintendo and Sony lied about the power of their systems, show me one company that hasn't done that. At least they didn't run like bitches on 4 systems in a row. The Virtual Boy was a nightmare but anyone who bought that needs their head examined. Even if you want to hold it against Nintendo it's 1 failed miserably system, not 4. If you don't think Sega shit on you that's fine with me, think what you want but don't try to force you're twisted perspective of the truth on me. As far as the people that work at Sega goes, I don't give a fuck about them. As soon as all the DC's were sold they forget we even existed. Fuck them all! And if the final count of games for the Vitual boy was 20, that means it had twice as many games as the 32X right? By the way, don't even bring up handhelds. Another area were Sega brought out some hardware and ran like bitches. I said it before and I'll say it again. After the Genesis, Sega started sucking. I don't care if I never play another Sega game that was made after the 16 bit era. I think they are all very shallow games, and a waste of money. Oh, and maybe Shenmue II only sold 160,000 copies in Japan because it fucking sucks.Quote:
Originally posted by StriderKyo
If you're going to bring lying into it, Nintendo has the all-time classic with their "N64 is an SGI workstation in the home!" hype. Next up is Sony with their missile-launching more-powerful-than-the-hardware-that-did-the-effects-for-Episode One - won't-be-surpassed-for-ten-years nonsense. Those types of lies are far more egregious, since they lead to people dropping hundreds of dollars due to fraudulent promises, as opposed to not spending money on something because it's not there. I'm not sure I even want to get into the morality of Microsoft.
In other words, if that sort of thing is going to stop you from supporting a company, by your morals you have no business playing any games at all.
I was as pissed of as anyone, in fact probably more, that SoA sold off Shenmue II while SoE had the nuts to release it and Rez to a smaller market. It wasn't that I couldn't play the import, rather the fact that I'd suported Sega believing that they'd support the gamer back, that they'd go out with one big title that by rights shouldn't have come out, but would because Sega cares. they didn't, they went out like bitches while tiny Agetec hung on and published one of the best games in years, Mark of the Wolves. But obviously, when you're facing bankruptcy protection, the bean-counters win all the arguments. Blame the shareholders for all this if you're going to blame anyone.
It obviously wasn't an easy decision, SoJ's president was fired and died shortly thereafter. It sounds ridiculous, but when it happened I couldn't help but wonder if seppuku was involved (suicide in one form or another is obscenely prevalent in Japan). SoA and SoE followed with mass layoffs.
In the end, it came down to me being stubborn and not playing any Sega games, or looking at it realistically: Sega and its employees had suffered far more than I did in not being able to play a few games (entertainment! while people are losing their jobs!) on a lower spec system. The games will still come out no matter what I do, all that had happened was that I'd come face-to-face with the fact that the business had an ugly side which Sega, for all their good intentions had smacked into headlong.
Did they make mistakes? Hell yes. But they didn't make any of them to "screw" anyone. I'm sure if they had their way we'd all be playing 32-X and Saturn while Ken Kutaragi was working at Starbucks. The Dreamcast was wedged between Sega's reputation as a failure after Saturn and Sony's headline-grabbing PR war machine, and I think we all knew it had little chance. But man, I hadn't had that good a time with gaming since Street Fighter II on SNES.
Besides, I was gonna get an Xbox anyway. Morrowind looks sweet!
i take it you've never worked in a video game store have you? seriously my friend i did for 5+ years and you'd be amazed what people A.KNOW and B.BELIEVEQuote:
Originally posted by Nigel-The-Landstalker
First of all you're fucking crazy if you think anyone bought any system because of the bullshit SGI workstation or the rocket launching/emotion engine PR. The only people that even know that are the people that follow the industry, the same people that know better.
it's sad really.
Not at all, those tall tales were widely reported in newspapers. I had friends who had never owned a game system repeating these things back to me. You think people were lined up to buy PS2s for Street Fighter EX 3?Quote:
Originally posted by Nigel-The-Landstalker
First of all you're fucking crazy if you think anyone bought any system because of the bullshit SGI workstation or the rocket launching/emotion engine PR. The only people that even know that are the people that follow the industry, the same people that know better.
Who I am is someone who is using your own logic that lying = I won't support that company. And that was my whole point, that every single gaming company has lied, so using that logic you shouldn't be supporting anyone at all.Quote:
And who the fuck are you to say I have no business playing games at all? We all know that Nintendo and Sony lied about the power of their systems, show me one company that hasn't done that.
You're right. Suddenly the clouds have parted and my insanity has ended...Sega did it all to shit on us gamers. With every 32-X sold there was another clink of champagne glasses at their sinister HQ, knowing that someone else was about to recieve the royal shaft. And on those glorious occasions when the time came to pull the plug on a system the company couldn't afford to support any longer without risking bankruptcy, a loud cheer errupted from the hooded throng of Sega executives as a monsoon of excrement decended upon their customer base. Another victory won.Quote:
At least they didn't run like bitches on 4 systems in a row. The Virtual Boy was a nightmare but anyone who bought that needs their head examined. Even if you want to hold it against Nintendo it's 1 failed miserably system, not 4. If you don't think Sega shit on you that's fine with me, think what you want but don't try to force you're twisted perspective of the truth on me.
I'm sure they're all sorry they forgot to send you a christmas card.Quote:
As far as the people that work at Sega goes, I don't give a fuck about them. As soon as all the DC's were sold they forget we even existed. Fuck them all!
Other way around. The domestic game count was VB: 14, 32-X: 36. Considering the 32-X was just an add-on, that makes it roughly 12 times as well supported as Nintendo's 64 DD...Quote:
And if the final count of games for the Vitual boy was 20, that means it had twice as many games as the 32X right?
Or were forced out of the market like Atari, SNK, NEC and several other companies.Quote:
By the way, don't even bring up handhelds. Another area were Sega brought out some hardware and ran like bitches.
If my perspective of the truth weren't so twisted I'd quote thousands upon thsouands of reviews that disagree with you.Quote:
I said it before and I'll say it again. After the Genesis, Sega started sucking. I don't care if I never play another Sega game that was made after the 16 bit era. I think they are all very shallow games, and a waste of money.
Spoken like someone who's never actually played it.Quote:
Oh, and maybe Shenmue II only sold 160,000 copies in Japan because it fucking sucks.
Wow, some intense discussion going on here... I'm bored so I'll bring my crappy opinions with me. :p
Wow, stop living in your "high" of nostalgia. The 16-bit days, if I remember correctly, had it's fair share of crap. It's not like I didn't like 2D, it's just that you become more and more jaded when companies like Acclaim release games like "Batman Forever". The same goes for the NES era. Each generation has its fair share of craptacular games, ESPECIALLY in the early life of a system. How long have the Xbox and GC been out? It's been less then a year over here!!! Give them at least another year and maybe we'll see some better stuff.Quote:
I doubt that we will ever see the hay-days of the SNES and Genesis ever again. The XBOX is struggling just like the Gamecube, simply because all of the games and game ideas that are on them now, have already been done on the PS2, again, a few bright spots excluded. Originality is gone and the market is collapsing. Sooner than later, there will be no "new" games, just rehashes.
And uh... honestly, the Dreamcast had a nice launch and all, but other than Soul Calibur, there was nothing (for me) that was a killer app. For people who liked sports, NFL 2K was their killer app. For people who liked Sonic... well I pity that they were stuck with Sonic Adventure (kidding, people!). But seriously, Sonic Adventure ain't as good as the 16-bit Sonic games (I LOVED Sonic CD and Sonic 2, they were the best of the series, IMO).
This is my opinion and mine alone, the one killer app that I got with my N64, (Super Mario 64, duh) completely wiped out what the DC had to offer. No other game has hooked me as much as SM64 did, it was like that old NES addiction coming back to me all over again. But you gotta admit, Marvel vs Capcom, MvC2, Soul Calibur, oh boy, if there is one thing you gotta give the DC credit for, it was the KING OF FIGHTERS (pun included)! (oh, the killer app for me that made me get a DC was Code Veronica, btw)
I'm not trying to bash the DC, I think that the DC had SO much potential, and although I wasn't crazy about what came DID come out, I am saddened at what "could've" been for the Dreamcast had the PS2 not been announced.
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Originally posted by SearchManX
Wow, some intense discussion going on here... I'm bored so I'll bring my crappy opinions with me. :p
And uh... honestly, the Dreamcast had a nice launch and all, but other than Soul Calibur, there was nothing (for me) that was a killer app. For people who liked sports, NFL 2K was their killer app. For people who liked Sonic... well I pity that they were stuck with Sonic Adventure (kidding, people!). But seriously, Sonic Adventure ain't as good as the 16-bit Sonic games (I LOVED Sonic CD and Sonic 2, they were the best of the series, IMO).
This is my opinion and mine alone, the one killer app that I got with my N64, (Super Mario 64, duh) completely wiped out what the DC had to offer. No other game has hooked me as much as SM64 did, it was like that old NES addiction coming back to me all over again. But you gotta admit, Marvel vs Capcom, MvC2, Soul Calibur, oh boy, if there is one thing you gotta give the DC credit for, it was the KING OF FIGHTERS (pun included)! (oh, the killer app for me that made me get a DC was Code Veronica, btw)
I'm not trying to bash the DC, I think that the DC had SO much potential, and although I wasn't crazy about what came DID come out, I am saddened at what "could've" been for the Dreamcast had the PS2 not been announced.
I'll admit, if fighters and sports titles don't excite you, the Dreamcast won't exactly be your favorite system of all time, but there were so many other titles, that the aveage gamer did'nt experience. Super Magnetic Neo was a vey unique platform style game. Jet Grind Radio was a new style of extreme skating. Mars Matrix was a great overhead shooter, with a classic old school meets new style of graphics. Shenmue, which some people did'nt have the patience to play, offered a unique gaming style, and pull you in story, but you had to tough out the first disk, to get to the real premise of the game. Skies of Arcadia and Grandia 2 were both great RPG's and some people who were weaned on Final Fantasy VII and up, could'nt appreciate the style of gameplay these 2 RPG's offered. PSO had to be played online, to appreciate what the game was about, and with over 1/2 a million online users, it was defineatly a highly enjoyable game for those who took the plung into the online community. Alien Front Online took the best of what was a FPS, and took away all the shifting through weapons menues, and brough an intense blast fest to those who took it online. Sure PC's have had a ton of great online gaming titles, but as a console, the DC offered plenty of good and great online content.
The PS2 may be a huge commercial success, but to me, it has yet to offer as much great content, as the DC has with a library of games well over 200 titles strong. The Japanese DC last month had 2 titles in the top 20 over there, and still has a loyal following, for a console that is commercially dead.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by StriderKyo
"Who I am is someone who is using your own logic that lying = I won't support that company. And that was my whole point, that every single gaming company has lied, so using that logic you shouldn't be supporting anyone at all."
Um no! My logic isn't so much lying as it is the constant fuck job, system after system that has me Sega hating. You can say anything you want about all of the other companies. Even if what you might say is true the fact is they stuck with their system(with the one exeption being VB) and kept putting out games.
"I'm sure they're all sorry they forgot to send you a christmas card."
And I care because?
"Other way around. The domestic game count was VB: 14, 32-X: 36. Considering the 32-X was just an add-on, that makes it roughly 12 times as well supported as Nintendo's 64 DD..."
I really was just being a wise ass about the 32X debacle. As for the 64DD, at least Nintendo had their right minds not to bring that piece of shit to the USA. Do you think Sega would have showed the same restraint? I don't!
"Or were forced out of the market like Atari, SNK, NEC and several other companies."
1. NEC was never really in the handheld market. They just released a system that played already existing games. That would be like me holding the Nomad against Sega, which I don't.
2. SNK pulled the ultimate Sega with the NEO GEO pocket color. Release the system and then run for the hills. Why even bother releasing it?
"If my perspective of the truth weren't so twisted I'd quote thousands upon thsouands of reviews that disagree with you."
Quote anyone you want. It's not going to make me like any of the shit games ( IMO ) that Sega releases.
"Spoken like someone who's never actually played it."
I'm sure it's a vastly different experience then part 1 was. I believe Gamevet said something earlier about people not having the patients to play Shenmue. I have plenty of patients, I think the game sucked. How many times can you walk up to the same person and have them treat you like you never met before? Couple that with that pansy's constant "I SEE" and you'll see why most people shit on the game.
For everyone on this board who can't stand people bashing Sega I think you should get over it. I don't know why you jump to the defense of them so strongly. I don't hate Sega's games because I hate Sega, I really don't like the games they are making these days. Their sports games definately are the best on the market but I don't really care. That genre played itself out for me in the Genny/SNES days. Why do any of you really care if I say Sega fucked me with their constant sytem bailouts? I wasn't even going to get the DC because I was already salty after the last 3 systems. The games looked so good and their plan at the time seemed great so I gave them another chance. I have nothing against the DC itself. I think the system had plenty of power to still be making games today that could keep pace with the big 3. I personally think Sega as a company sucks. You all need to get over it.
True, but the problem was, from what I heard, none of them were exceptional. A majority of them were "hey, if you have extra time, why don't you try these good to decent games" kinda games. To give you an idea of the games I like, I like action games: Time Crisis, Castlevania, Resident Evil, Burning Rangers, Panzer Dragoon, Star Fox, y'know stuff like that. Sadly I'm not a big fan of 2D shooters, sports, racers, or RPGs, and those seems to be where the Dreamcast had a good amount of titles.Quote:
I'll admit, if fighters and sports titles don't excite you, the Dreamcast won't exactly be your favorite system of all time, but there were so many other titles, that the aveage gamer did'nt experience.
I was SO looking forward to Castlevania Resurrection. Sega could've even brought back Burning Rangers... :(
I couldnt agree with you less. I know of a large number of loyal Sega fans that wrote letters, as did I, and posted on forums much like this one, simply beggins Sega to bring out some of their old classics. Sega may have thought that Samba DAmigo had huge potential, but had they spent just a little less time on those maraccas and a few more weeks fine tuning the Smash Pack's sound emulation, they may have impressed a few more players. So many fans were waiting for Sega to revive a few of it's old franchises, franchises like Alexx Kidd, Golden Axe, and so many more.Quote:
Originally posted by gamevet
As a Dreamcast owner, I felt that Sega did everything they could, to support the system, and provided some great online gaming experience along the way.
I agree with you here, in part at least, about Sega doing a great job of releasing some great Saturn titles at the end of the systems life. Why couldnt they have done that with the DC? Most of the titles that they released at the end of the DC's life were all titles that they knew would not sell on the PS2 or XBOX, so they simply sisnt spend the money porting them. So basically, the DC loyals got shafted with all of the subpar games, while the sheep got the better of the lot.Quote:
Did Sega really shit on me, as a loyal consumer? i don't think so. I would'nt have great Saturn games like Shining Force 3, Burning Rangers, Christmas Nights, Virtua Fighter Remix, Panzer Dragoon Saga, or House of the Dead, if Sega had'nt released them to those gamers who loved the Saturn. At least Sega gave us DC owners a substantial release of games, on a console that was no longer being made.
Yup. A Sega fan no more. Not after what they pulled.
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Originally posted by SearchManX
True, but the problem was, from what I heard, none of them were exceptional. A majority of them were "hey, if you have extra time, why don't you try these good to decent games" kinda games. To give you an idea of the games I like, I like action games: Time Crisis, Castlevania, Resident Evil, Burning Rangers, Panzer Dragoon, Star Fox, y'know stuff like that. Sadly I'm not a big fan of 2D shooters, sports, racers, or RPGs, and those seems to be where the Dreamcast had a good amount of titles.
I was SO looking forward to Castlevania Resurrection. Sega could've even brought back Burning Rangers... :(
Hmmm, I could say the same thing about PS2. You say that you like games like:
1) Time Crisis: DC had House of the Dead 2, Confidential Mission, and Illbleed.
Resident Evil: Did'nt the DC have RE:CV? It also had Carrier and Blue Stinger.
Panzer Dragoon: PS2 still lacks a game of that quality, and X-Box fans will finally get a Sega killer app.
Burning Rangers: What system has a game like that. Would be great though.
Castlevania Resurrection: Has there really been a good 3-D version of Castlevania? They probably made the right choice in cancelling that one.
StarFox: I loved the Super Nintendo version, but found the N64 version to be lacking.
You say you like actions games. The DC had some good ones, that were ignored by most. Sword of Bezerk, Zombie Revenge, MDK2, Bleem: Metal Gear Solid, Dino Crisis, Resident Evil 3, Jedi Power Battles, Spiderman, Starlancer, Rayman 2, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 and 2, Legacy of Kain:Soul Reaver, Mr. Driller, Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation and Red Dog.
I have owned just about every console, including PS2,and Gamecube. How many consoles have you owned, that have as many good, to great games, in such a short period. I can only count about 12 must have games on the PS2, the rest are mediocre and not really worth my gaming time.
Originally posted by gamevet
"Time Crisis: DC had House of the Dead 2, Confidential Mission, and Illbleed."
I can't believe you bring up Illbleed like it's a game worth playing.
"Resident Evil: Did'nt the DC have RE:CV? It also had Carrier and Blue Stinger."
Code Veronica was great, Carrier was decent, Blue Stinger is absolute garbage.
"StarFox: I loved the Super Nintendo version, but found the N64 version to be lacking."
I agree totally with the SNES Starfox being much better then the N64 one.
"You say you like actions games. The DC had some good ones, that were ignored by most. Sword of Bezerk, Zombie Revenge, MDK2, Bleem: Metal Gear Solid, Dino Crisis, Resident Evil 3, Jedi Power Battles, Spiderman, Starlancer, Rayman 2, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 and 2, Legacy of Kain:Soul Reaver, Mr. Driller, Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation and Red Dog."
Do you realize that 11 of the 16 games you listed are ports of games that were out on another system for around a year?
"I have owned just about every console, including PS2,and Gamecube. How many consoles have you owned, that have as many good, to great games, in such a short period. I can only count about 12 must have games on the PS2, the rest are mediocre and not really worth my gaming time."
That's all a matter of opinion.
Well it's all a matter of opinion but for PS2: Metal Gear Solid 2, GTA3, Devil May Cry (oh yeah, baby, DC can't get close to this game), Onimusha/Onimusha 2, Time Crisis 2, Vampire Night (haven't played this one, looks good), Zone of the Enders (okay, this is mediocre, but equivalent to those DC games you listed), Twisted Metal: Black (this counts as action), and Maximo (okay, that's IT! Maximo ends the discussion!). I'm not even counting RE C:V X because it's a port, I don't count ports unless it originally appeared on the system. Don't get me wrong, the DC had a lot of potential, but in its time span, I don't think the DC lived up to it.Quote:
Originally posted by gamevet
Hmmm, I could say the same thing about PS2.
House of the Dead 2 -> I really want this game, can't find it in stores. Sega disappointed me by not releasing their own light gun here. I don't trust 3rd party products, thus, I never got HotD2, I wanted Typing though. Um... Illbleed... err... not that great... or so I've heard.Quote:
You say that you like games like:
1) Time Crisis: DC had House of the Dead 2, Confidential Mission, and Illbleed.
Sorry forgot to mention that out of my list, RE was the only game I truly, really enjoyed on the DC. 'twas what convinced me to get a DC you know.Quote:
Resident Evil: Did'nt the DC have RE:CV? It also had Carrier and Blue Stinger.
Agree with you here on this one.Quote:
Panzer Dragoon: PS2 still lacks a game of that quality, and X-Box fans will finally get a Sega killer app.
I really like Burning Rangers but to tell you the truth, I haven't played that much of it. I only played the demo years ago. I'm sure there might be a game that was released somewhat like it, but I need to start playing BR...Quote:
Burning Rangers: What system has a game like that. Would be great though.
I'm sorry, but you have no right to say that unless you've actually played Castlevania 64. I thought it was a great game. The boss fights are pretty cool, go for it, man. Just enjoy it for what it is, not for what it isn't.Quote:
Castlevania Resurrection: Has there really been a good 3-D version of Castlevania? They probably made the right choice in cancelling that one.
I played the SNES one, but... well I guess I felt more drawn into the world of Starfox 64 than the original. I LOVED the tank levels and the lava level...Quote:
StarFox: I loved the Super Nintendo version, but found the N64 version to be lacking.
I had a Playstation before I got my DC. If I didn't buy one because of Code Veronica, probably nothing would've gotten me to get one. Samba de Amigo? No. Seaman? Nope. Zombie Revenge? Reviews didn't help it. You COUNTED Bleem's MGS!? Why would I BUY a DC just to play Bleem's MGS? I have the Bleempak now, and the graphics are cool BUT the analog isn't that great and you need a GODDAMN separate VMU for saves!!!!!!!Quote:
You say you like actions games. The DC had some good ones, that were ignored by most. Sword of Bezerk, Zombie Revenge, MDK2, Bleem: Metal Gear Solid, Dino Crisis, Resident Evil 3, Jedi Power Battles, Spiderman, Starlancer, Rayman 2, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 and 2, Legacy of Kain:Soul Reaver, Mr. Driller, Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation and Red Dog.
Sword of Bezerk? Didn't Gamefan completely and utterly trash this game? And they're loyal Sega followers...
I don't buy consoles that have a short life span anymore. The Sega CD taught me that lesson. Unfortunately I didn't learn it with the DC, but hey, Code Veronica was SWEET. And uh.. other than Cannon Spike and Code Veronica, there are no other action games on the DC that are that great...Quote:
I have owned just about every console, including PS2,and Gamecube. How many consoles have you owned, that have as many good, to great games, in such a short period. I can only count about 12 must have games on the PS2, the rest are mediocre and not really worth my gaming time.
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Red Dog played a lot like the tank levels in Star Fox64.Quote:
[i]Originally posted by SearchManX
I played the SNES one, but... well I guess I felt more drawn into the world of Starfox 64 than the original. I LOVED the tank levels and the lava level...
I had a Playstation before I got my DC. If I didn't buy one because of Code Veronica, probably nothing would've gotten me to get one. Samba de Amigo? No. Seaman? Nope. Zombie Revenge? Reviews didn't help it. You COUNTED Bleem's MGS!? Why would I BUY a DC just to play Bleem's MGS? I have the Bleempak now, and the graphics are cool BUT the analog isn't that great and you need a GODDAMN separate VMU for saves!!!!!!!
Sword of Bezerk? Didn't Gamefan completely and utterly trash this game? And they're loyal Sega followers...
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I'm trying my best to remember hearing this game somewhere... you know what was a cool tank game? That Tokyo Wars game... that was fun! I'll look into Red Dog...Quote:
Originally posted by gamevet
Red Dog played a lot like the tank levels in Star Fox64.
What Sega could've done to make the DC's action library must-have:
Shinobi
Altered Beast
Golden Axe
Burning Rangers
Any two of these games would've changed my stance on the DC's library in an instant. But hey, my opinions don't revive a system back to life. :)
ECM didn't like it, Fury did. Personally, I loved it, and everyone I've shown it to thought it was really cool. Amazing story, booming orchestral soundtrack, a totally badass character, an arsenal of weapons and moves, one of the craziest bosses ever, and tons of enemy-mangling action.Quote:
Originally posted by SearchManX
Sword of Bezerk? Didn't Gamefan completely and utterly trash this game? And they're loyal Sega followers...
Some of the levels can get repetitive, and it can get a bit tough when you're fighting in narrow alleyways with your gigantic sword, but definitely worth whatever tiny sum you'll end up paying for it.
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You're right. Suddenly the clouds have parted and my insanity has ended...Sega did it all to shit on us gamers. With every 32-X sold there was another clink of champagne glasses at their sinister HQ, knowing that someone else was about to recieve the royal shaft. And on those glorious occasions when the time came to pull the plug on a system the company couldn't afford to support any longer without risking bankruptcy, a loud cheer errupted from the hooded throng of Sega executives as a monsoon of excrement decended upon their customer base. Another victory won.
I have to admit, you are one funny wiseass motherfucker.