Come on g0zen! We don't have time to wait for you advice, it could happen at any minute!
(I think I'm good, but I'm a little worried about Eggroll, he might need some more advice).
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Come on g0zen! We don't have time to wait for you advice, it could happen at any minute!
(I think I'm good, but I'm a little worried about Eggroll, he might need some more advice).
The BUBBLE! I'm telling you!
Wrong, wrong, wrong. The AK-47 is an assault weapon designed for fire suppression, not percision. You could spray lead until you're blue in the face and not kill a single zombie. A lot of people think that a zombie invasion is a good excuse to go rambo, it's not. The bayonet is really the only useful weapon out of the combination, and it's not nearly sturdy enough or maneuverable enough (when attached to the rifle).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gohron
Your biggest mistake here is you're not factoring in weight. Think about it, two banana clips taped to a AK-47 that already weighs 9.5 lbs and all the ammo you'll be carrying in a pack (you're lucky this is an AK or you'd even have to worry about rifle maintenance supplies, etc). Add to this all the other supplies you'll have to carry, then imagine having to run for a sustained speed until you find an area that is suitable to remain for any length of time (Remember; zombies never speed up, but they never slow down either).
What about climbing or swimming? AKs are very durable, but with that weight you're slowing yourself down considerably.
Waste of time. A zombie isn't going to get much slower, and the risk associated with this tactic is high.Quote:
Originally Posted by Super-Eggroll
It'd still be extremely hot and constricting. After running (or even walking) in it for a few hours you'd be dying. I dived for years and just walking from one end of the pier to the dive boat in a wetsuit that wasn't wet under the hot sun was murder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Super-Eggroll
Don't take the risks trying to be fancy, stick to the basics and remember the most deadly weapon against a zombie is common sense.
Until you needed to pee, or died from thirst or starvation. What, do you think the zombies are just going to stand back while you take off the helmet and search through your bags for a sandwich and Dasani? You'd also be severely impaired in fighting them, your freedom of movement is constricted as well as your hand coordination. Once again, a worthless risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gohron
Operation Condor, and not only would that thing be useless on flat land, you'd have absolutely no idea what you were...rolling into.Quote:
Originally Posted by Super-Eggroll
Good points, but I'm good with it on rapid fire at about 100 yards, I wouldn't be able to nail consistant head-shots but I could probably be letting off 3 rounds a second and making headshots at 25 yards. The weight would be a problem I suppose, but I've had plenty of experience of running all over the damn place strapped with gear and carrying an M-16.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
You're right about the bayonet not being sturdy enough for consistant combat, I'm pretty sure it would pop off. The only other knife I have is a military K-Bar and that's a little too short for comfortable melee with zombies.
In the event that the zombie invasion happened and I had reason to believe I could make a drive down to Virginia with only a tank of gas (I most likely could on one tank) I'd probably go to my uncle's house. He's got enough firepower to start the second American Revolution.
This is another common mistake people make when considering their actions in a zombie invasion. They want to high tail it to the nearest arsenal. Tell me, what good are all the weapons in the world if you don't have food or clean water? Is this home in a strategic position that is easily secured and defendable?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gohron
If it is in an urban area you should rule it out right off the bat, an urban (even suburban) area means a heavy zombie concentration and few to no good locations for long term survival.
A rural area is slightly better, as there are fewer zombies and they only appear sporadically. However, this means you'll have to rely entirely on your knowledge of the area for survival. Where is the nearest stream that provides clean (or atleast treatable) water? What are the available food sources (this is where your weaponry would actually be useful, in hunting for food rather than zombies)? If you had to flee from the area, where would you go and how would you get there?
It's these little things people seldom think about when considering how to respond to a zombie invasion, and too often it costs them their lives.
They primarily eat food that they grow/kill down there and it's rural and on a farm with a lot of open space to spot incoming zombies with plenty of tasty deer, squirrels and turkey in the woods surronding the property. There's a few streams with drinkable water so it would probably be much better then being here. Uncle actually lives with my grandmother and her 3rd husband, he was in the Marines for a good bit and would probably barricade the hell out of the house and my grandmothers husband was in the Army and has been crazy enough to kill deer he's seen out the window in the kitchen while still wearing his pajamas (he keeps a loaded gun by the door just in case he sees anything outside that he might want to kill). Uncle has access to a gun-shop where we could stock up on plenty of ammunition.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
You also have to factor in the psychological aspect. You put a group of armed, trained killers in a tight space under constant stress for a prolonged period of time and you've got trouble. Whether it's an honest accident (shooting a friendly in the dark, hunting mishap, etc) or temporary insanity (caused by severe posttraumatic stress disorder) the outcome is still the same; someone is dead.
This segues nicely into the need for basic medical training, and I'm not just talking field medic stuff, I'm talking basic general medicine as well as nutrition. I'd want someone with skilled medical knowledge far more than someone with military experience during a zombie invasion.
Also, never assume you can spot incoming zombies. They can come at any time and usually don't make a point of announcing their presence.
I don't know so much about my uncle, but my grandfather (I'll call him that to save on typing) would probably go nutty with glee if he had a massive amount of creatures to shoot everyday, he practically shoots everything that comes on to his property whether it be the neighbors dog (he's shot it at range with buckshot over 5 times), a hawk that killed his chickens, the cat that bothers his chickens, a bobcat that's been killing and eating the turkeys he intended to kill and eat and so on and so forth.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Your points on medical knowledge are good, but I think the three of us would be able to survive without anyone (my grandmother would be cast to the zombies immediatly, she'd be detrimental to our survival) experienced. We probably wouldn't leave the house at dark and like I said, we'd be barricaded pretty good (much better then Fiddlers Green) and go out and do all of our hunting in day (although there is several months of food always stored in the house), they also have a well for water rather then getting it from public water supplies but I think that might depend on electricity so we'd have to make occassional ventures to a nearby stream.
We might day or we might not, we'll find out soon enough though.
What about your first infection? What happens when one of you gets a stomach virus from drinking unclean water or meat that's turned? You'll say you'd be smart enough to avoid doing anything like that, but these mistakes are often imperceptible at the time they're being made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gohron
Anyway, this whole area of discussion brings up an important point that each of us needs to understand during a zombie invasion. Being with others, especially family members, brings a great degree of risk. Every piece of popular literature dealing with zombie invasion tackles the classic question, could you kill your loved one if they turned? Now, I'm sure hardasses would proclaim they'd do so without question, but most of the time they're lying. Anyone who could something like that so blaise is more dangerous than any zombie.
Being with other people means more mouths to feed, more room needed for shelters, all manner of logistical problems that can lead to your doom. Going back to your family stronghold, how are you going to deal with all the human waste? Sure, you'll say you can just do it outside or even fashion a crude outhouse. But, what about at night when you barricade yourself in? Do you just crap in a bucket and empty it out in the morning? With four people, you'll need a big bucket and let's not forget that lovely perfume.
In a world overrun by the undead one must realize that survival comes first, self-interest is a virtue and sentimentality a weakness.
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Originally Posted by g0zen
I've had plenty of infections in life and never once got any of them treated and I've been fine. Stomach viruses come and go and if they don't, one might die, but in a world where zombies rule, better to die from that rather then being munched on.
I used to love my uncle like nuts when I was little because he was in the Marines and did all this cool stuff but now he's just sorta...my uncle who I see once every few years. It's been fun shooting with him and all but he's not really a close familiy member. My grandfather has only been my grandfather for a few years and a cool guy but I also think he's a crazy hick (which he is). In the event that either of them turned into zombies I'd probably kill them without thought. I usually am able to perform actions under highly stressful or dangerous "snap" situations like a near car accident or something of the like without any thought. I've even gotten to the point where I react to something that might make my heart race or startle the hell out of me before I even jump from being startled. But who knows, you can't speak on a situation like that for sure unless you've experienced it.
As for human waste at night...it's not that hard to hold it in. The first week of boot-camp meant that 87 recruits held it in until that Saturday (we got there on Monday). Pissing is one thing, but I'm sure the drain system would still work and it would just dilute upon entering the ground and not cause any harm.
And if I die over something, well, sometimes certain types of self-interest can be far more important than survival, dying is the last thing that I fear or worry about.