And just like my TVs and stereos, when I buy sex slaves, I only buy Japanese.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master of 7s
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And just like my TVs and stereos, when I buy sex slaves, I only buy Japanese.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master of 7s
Thats really not true.Quote:
However I do know Asian religions are much more relaxed than western religions.
At all.
Which religion would that be exactly? Buddhism isn't a religion, it is a belief. Shintoism isn't a religion, is is a bunch of rituals and traditions tossed under one name.Quote:
Originally Posted by avatar
There's that other religion practiced in a number of Asian countries... can't remember what it's called... begins with an I or something like that.
Youre trying to prove he's wrong by using semantics, but Buddhism definitely is a religion (especially the Mahayana traditions) - and its DEFINITELY not as "relaxed" as the Abrahamaic traditions. Nor is Hinduism, or Jainism, or Sikhism, or Taoism, or Confucianism (which is a religion in many ways). All of these religions have very strict and very proper rules for living, and followers are expected to adhere to them. Simple fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
avatar is just saying that junk because he doesnt know what he is talking about.
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Originally Posted by avatar
"Ironplanet" is funnier than you.
And for God's sake, no there are no bloody slaves in Japan. You're getting confused between retarded white girls who think they're going to be hostesses and end up as hos rather than just going to their consulates and then home, and comfort women from world war II.
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I know buddhists. They take their religion seriously and do all the rituals for it. However I have never seen nor read buddhists have the "You must be like us to be truly happy" philosphy like a lot of protestants,catholics and muslims do.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
You have any records that show buddhist going on jihads or crusades? I'm not calling you out. I would just like to read it.
I know about thier strict beliefs and customs. Like I said. I know a lot of them. I didn't say they were more relaxed with the way they live. I meant on how they treat other cultures.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Not even slightly fact. You are really, really, really off. For one thing, you're grouping together radically different cultural groups - Sikhism is tangentially related to Hinduism, but nothing like the religions of east asia. Confucianism hardly qualifies as a religion - outside the practice of ancestor worship and a vague notion of 'cultivated sagehood' it's basically just a life philosophy for promoting cultural harmony. There are no gods or holy scripts or anything. It was the medieval Chinese equivalent of being a conservative - heck, there are even neo confucians.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
If you want to talk about Buddhism, Daoism, Shinto, those religions aren't even close to the abrahamistic religions. Check the history. The East Asian attitude towards religion is incredibly lax.
Your average buddhist doesn't even know what the rules are. Most practicing chinese buddhists these days basically follow it as a cultural tradition and pray to Buddha for lottery winnings - it's nothing like the atmosphere in Chrisitanity where if you go outside the lines everyone whispers, looks down on you and has prayer interventions. You aren't doomed to an eternity of pain if you have sex outside marriage or covet your neighbour's cow or whatever. You get bad karma which comes and goes.
I defy you to find an average Japanese who knows much of anything about Shinto practice outside popular cultural festivals.
Daoism is just about the least strict religion on Earth, it doesn't even have any set of centralized beliefs or texts. With Buddhism and Daoism in both cases there are sets of rules for monks to follow, but if you don't follow them that's basically your problem. You're doomed to endless miserable reincarnations until you get it right. Pretty much nobody's running around preaching or trying to save anyone.
Nobody's attacking anyone's country or starting religious wars over them - there were no buddhist pogroms, crusades, witch burnings or inquisitions.
What's more, often these beliefs will be combined - it's not unusal to find confucian texts in a buddhist temple, or a Daoist reading the lotus sutra. Not too many Catholics reading the Koran.
So yes, they are about 40x more relaxed than western religions. Outside Koreans, you'd be hard pressed to find a significant number of people in east asia these days who were devoutly religious at all, in the strict sense people are in the west. It's mostly just part of the cultural background.
well, you were going till you hit here, there were pogroms against japanese christians after japan closed its borders to outside influence, its not specificly bhuddist more closely related to shinto than bhuddism. it could be argued it was more linked to the overall japanese desire to remove all foreign influences, but then you would have to admit that most western pogroms and crusades were far less religiously motivated and far more politically motivated, and where would the fun in that be? but it was still a pogrom from a "divine" emporer against a minority religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by StriderKyo
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Originally Posted by frostwolf ex
That's really misreading the context though. The emperor had no political control whatsoever at the time that was all happening, he had been little more than a figurehead for 500+ years. It was the Bakufu (shogunate government) who were making those decisions, and zen swordsmanship & tea ceremonies aside, they were about as uninvolved in religion as you could get.
They kicked the Christians out because they were basically the front for the Dutch, and were offering up something other than the Daimyo (provincial warlords) to obey, inciting rebellion in the south, and because they were smuggling weapons into the country. Not because they were ticked off at the notion of a rival religion; neither Buddhism nor Shinto exclude other belief systems or are organized under a central governing church.
Unless you're a priest in a shrine, people in Japan don't identify themselves as Shinto adherents. There's no big book of Shinto people follow, no ten commandments to obey, no sermons on Sunday. Christianity could concievably fit within its cosmology in the same way that Buddhism does. Shinto really just enters people lives by offering public shrines as a place for people to make specific prayers, certain festival rites, and in the form of family shrines in the home.
But it shouldn't be viewed as a cohesive life-governing religion in the way Christianity is in the west.
Strider, youre making a fundamental error here in saying that well, Christianity, they boss you around and in Buddhism they dont, so obviously, Buddhism is more relaxed than Christianity. This is an error because the religions have totally different focii, and goals, and go about these goals completely differently. Apples and oranges. You cant say, well Buddhism doesnt have priests who tell you proper behavior so its more relaxed. Etc.
So wait, you're comparing hardcore, fundamentalist Christians to the relaxed sort of mainstream Buddhists (Buddhism isnt an East Asian religion, btw, unless we're talking about Mahayana or something)? Woah, nice buddy! Youre comparing apples to oranges. Next time, compare mainstream Buddhists to mainstream Christians (they act identically, I am positive of this). The hardcore Christians, the type you look down on so much, are involved in the community because Christianity is a religion focused on community-building. Buddhism is not. The hardcore Buddhists retreat to temples and live their lives as monks, in solitude, away from society, as the historical Buddha did. Hardcore Christians stay in the community, and work to improve it, as Jesus did.Quote:
Most practicing chinese buddhists these days basically follow it as a cultural tradition and pray to Buddha for lottery winnings - it's nothing like the atmosphere in Chrisitanity where if you go outside the lines everyone whispers, looks down on you and has prayer interventions.
The eastern religions are not focused on community building the way the Abrahamic ones are. They are focused more on internal unification of the cosmos and the ego. Clearly, just from this, we can deduce that the religions are not going to be as strict on a macro, these-are-the-rules type of thing. Just because the religions arent as concerned with community building. But there are rules, there absolutely are rules. As you said, if you choose not to follow them its your own fault, but then again, this is a fundamental difference between the Indian and Abrahamic faiths.Quote:
So yes, they are about 40x more relaxed than western religions.
Youre acting like the Eastern religions are better or something because theyre not community-oriented and as such let people live however they want. Well thats not true. Theyre not better and theyre not worse, and the fact that they dont have the community-based rules is because of how they viewed their world, as a place to stick around in until you get to move on and join the ultimate reality. Judaism is unique among these early religions in that it was the God of the Jews is a God interested in the community of people (whereas the Indian religions are not). In Bhagavad Gita-era Hinduism, a good community would arise when people do what they are supposed to do, according to their caste. In Buddhism, people would be not concerned with the ways of the world. And so forth. This strain of non-caring about the world around us (because this world is an illusion) is a direct contrast to the Abrahamic worldview.
Which is not necessary for a religion. A religion is about taking away the negative, harmful effects of the ego, centering yourself in a certain way. There are many ways to accomplish this. Confucianism is focused on building an orderly society by emulating a supposed model of heaven, by focusing on individual relationships.Quote:
There are no gods or holy scripts or anything.
Good book for this type of stuff: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846
I know you probably think Im some sort of fool and wrote off everything I said here halfway through but I had to say my piece.
Different worldview. Buddhism was never about improving society or making it better, it was about getting the hell off this world and joining the ultimate reality. But to do that, its incredibly strict and tough. ^__^ The Buddhists you know are almost certainly heading for another life, according to their religion. But there werent any Buddhist missionaries because thats not the way the religion is set up and defined.Quote:
However I have never seen nor read buddhists have the "You must be like us to be truly happy" philosphy like a lot of protestants,catholics and muslims do.