Your piss-poor attempt at insult on the other hand, we'll keep that around just to shed light on your IQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaoofNee
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Your piss-poor attempt at insult on the other hand, we'll keep that around just to shed light on your IQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaoofNee
I have no more respect or tolerance for Islam than I do for Christianity. Its followers are just as deluded, if not more, and I hope it gets past this period soon so that I can start trashing them on the same level without a bunch of whiny bitches telling me to have a little tolerance.
On a related note, banning any kind of speech is not an intelligent thing to do. It never is a solution and at its best is a bandage that will only cover a small portion of the problem and eventually fall off.
Wrong, the correct phrase is, "Your mom should be illegal."Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaoofNee
Close, though.
"Religion of Love":
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050713/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
My IQ is more legal than your face.Quote:
Originally Posted by outRider
I found Robert D. Steele's book review of Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism, which reveals who these suicide bombers are, why they attack, and what needs to be done to stop the attacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Thoughts?Quote:
This work significantly advances our understanding of terrorism and of the three forms of suicidal terrorism: egotistic, altruistic, and fatalistic. The author documents his findings that most suicidal terrorists are altruistic, well-educated, nationalistically-motivated, and fully witting and dedicated to their fatal mission as a service to their community.
Of the 563 books I have reviewed--all in national security and global issues, and all but four among the best books in the field--this new work by Professor Pape stands out as startlingly original, thoughtful, useful, and directly relevant to the clear and present danger facing America: an epidemic of suicidal terrorism spawned by the "virtual colonialism" of the US in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and now Iraq as well as other countries.
I will not repeat the excellent listing of facts in the Book Description provided by the publisher--certainly that description should be read carefully. If you are a Jewish zealot, don't bother, you will not get over the cognitive dissonance. Everyone else, including Muslim, Protestant, and Catholic contributors to Congressional and Presidential campaign funds, absolutely must read this book.
There are many other books that support the author's key premises, all well-documented with case studies and the most complete and compelling statistics--known facts. I am persuaded by the author's big three:
1) Suicidal terrorism correlates best with U.S. military occupation of specific countries that tend to be undemocratic and corrupt, where the U.S. in collusion with dictators and one-party elites are frustrating legitimate national aspirations of the larger underclass and middle class;
2) Virtually all of the suicidal terrorists comes from allies of the U.S. (at least nominally--they actually play the U.S. as "useful idiots") such as Saudi Arabia, rather than Iran;
3) The three premises shared by Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Qaeda, the Tamil Tigers, and now the Iraqi insurgency, are all accurate and will continue to be so if the U.S. does not pull its military out of the Middle East, Pakistan, Indonesia, and other locations:
a) Occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, and virtual colonialism everywhere else, demand martyrdom operations;
b) Conventional inferiority mandates self-sacrifice (not only suicidal terrorism, but other asymmetric attacks including the death of a thousand cuts against key energy, water, and transportation nodes in the USA; and
c) The US and its European allies are vulnerable to coercive pressure. The withdrawal of the Americans and the French from Viet-Nam and then Lebanon, of the Israelis from the West Bank, and other concessions itemized by the author, have all made the case for suicidal terrorism. It works and it will explode.
I will mention several other books to support this author, but wish to stress that alone, his work is spectacularly successful in documenting the fallacies of the U.S. national security policy. Among the books that support him are Anonymous "Imperial Hubris," Manwaring "Search for Legitimacy," Prestowitz "Rogue Nation," Greider "Soul of Capitalism," Poole "Tactics of the Crescent Moon," and of course Sageman, whom the author complements, "Understanding Terror Networks."
This is a core reading for every officer at STRATCOM and SOCOM, and for anyone who wishes to be effective at either Public Diplomacy or Strategic Communication or Information Operations. This author should be an invited distinguished funded speaker at every single war college in the Western democracies. We cannot win without listening to him. Military withdrawals, combined with energy independence, are essential. Without them, we not only will not fully defeat the current crop of suicidal terrorists, but we will, in attempting to deal with the current threat with old counter-productive and heavy-handed means, give birth to hundreds of thousands in the next generation of suicidal terrorists.
There are not enough guns in the world to win this one, even if we had competent intelligence at the neighborhood level, which we do not. In keeping with the author's recommendations, it is clear that moral capitalism, informed democracy, equanimity toward bottom up movements for national liberation and an end to corruption, an honest policy process in Washington, D.C.--these are the keys to victory.
This is a towering accomplishment and a major contribution to strategic thinking.
I didn't need to read that to know that they are killing us because they want us to go away.
The funny thing is, it was christians themselves that curbed the churches influence on politics.
Trying to externally force a similar change on islam just won't work.
It's up to decent, moderate muslims to effect this change.
The problem is, a lot of moderate muslims don't really care what the extremists do to americans, because they still see them as enemies and oppressors.
Hopefully that will change, and I think eventually it will, but bashing islam isn't going to help matters.
Well I guess we are going to keep being killed then. The US isn't leaving that part of the world. We want the oil, or at least want a say in what is done with it.
The problem is this. In the middle east to get ANYTHING done, you have to know someone. Think networking, except instead of just being useful, it is absolutely required. Got robbed? Good luck getting the police to give a shit unless you know someone on the force. The problem is, the people who could effect change in the system benifit the most. Yes the Imam could preach towards modernization, but then they risk reducing their own influence. For those in power, there's no reason to change, because the system for all its problems, supports the current power structure.Quote:
Originally Posted by kedawa
And since Islam's purpose is to care for the community as a whole, reducing the Imam's power would reduce his ability to coordinate and care for his flock. You know how some churches are community focal points and serve the community? Well in Islam this is suppost to be the norm (at least for the faithful).
Extremism is good for the system as it is, even if its on the fringes it serves as a rallying cry of US vs THEM.
I saw Robert Steele's long discussion (over 4 hours!) at the last HOPE (Hackers On Planet Earth) convention in NYC - if I remember correctly he mentions his Amazon.com reviews at some point. I like the guy, he's straightforward and seems to make sense. You can hear his talk "Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Spying, 9-11, and Why We Continue to Screw Up" at 2600.com if you are so inclined. It's 13th down on the list....Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowdisease