Maybe, maybe not.. Who cares?Quote:
Originally Posted by NightWolve
Yoshi made the first move, and that's respectable.. No need to laugh at that.
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Maybe, maybe not.. Who cares?Quote:
Originally Posted by NightWolve
Yoshi made the first move, and that's respectable.. No need to laugh at that.
I understand why you don't like them, I don't like them either. However, this is the classic slippery slope argument. If we silence these people (and I'm not just talking about not coddling them, which you're right they shouldn't be doing) then really aren't we obligated to do the same to all who advocate violence against us because of our way of life, political or economic philosophy? Then, in doing this, don't we take those first terrible steps in lowering ourselves toward their level?Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Perhaps I've been wrong in the past and we are too protective of civil rights and not protective enough of human lives. But, I personally don't see silencing these hatemongers (or any others) as giving us anything but peace of mind. I'd rather focus on keeping what they say empty rhetroic.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Nobody is silencing the Ku Klux Klan or Falwell but they are thoroughly discredited and have been many times. When the clerics say something everybody is silent, which gives them silent approval and justifies their continued actions. I do think we have been much too careful with making sure these people get their say, now we're in a situation where, yea, if anybody says anything against them CAIR will come along and call them racist. How do you fight that?Quote:
Perhaps I've been wrong in the past and we are too protective of civil rights and not protective enough of human lives. But, I personally don't see silencing these hatemongers (or any others) as giving us anything but peace of mind.
Im not calling for jail time here, Id rather see the wheels of free speech do their job and have these people be discredited and have moderate Muslims stand up to them. But that doesnt happen (with the rare exception), so they can keep doing their dirty work in these countries.
Right and this goes back to what I was saying earlier about moderate Islam not stepping up. Would CAIR (or the ACLU for that matter) be foolish enough to call other Muslims who denounced radical anti-Western hatespeech as racists? Even if they did it would only serve to discredit them, not those brave Muslims who stood up for their faith. The problem I think is one of ignorance and apathy, much like mainstream America faced concerning the blight of black Americans prior to the Civil Rights movement.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
We really need to focus on educating other more moderate Muslims on who we are and who then who these radicals really are. Of course, I'm not saying that's an instant or even plausible solution, but it's what I think we should atleast aim for. Really though, it'd take the moderate Muslim community to do this themselves and I just don't think they're their yet. Maybe they never will be.
I agree with this g0zen, but I made my second post on this topic before I read your edits. Well actually I started the post, went and got breakfast, then clicked submit, but still, same effect.
The problem is that these radicals don't care about their moderate "brothers". So if they are "discredited", it doesn't matter. THese people are willing to kill their own people to fulfill their goal.
No problem, I should have just made another post, but I kinda felt like I was on a roll with that one and didn't want to break my own train of thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
This is true, but the idea isn't to use the moderates' disapproval to somehow sway the radicals not to be radical, the idea is to turn the vast majority of the Muslim community against the fringe. I can't even imagine how much easier that would make the war on terror, but I think it would help significantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
Right and we need the other Muslims to see this. If we can get them to understand that fundamentalists are as much their enemy as ours then we'll go a long way toward combating them on numerous fronts; recruiting, funding, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
Well, that's a point that could be argued either way. Bush certainly is responsible for North Korea having nukes now, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave is ok
Just like blacks with slavery and Indians with their takeover.... they'll get over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Six
I think this is a problem throughout the entire Muslim community, though. More Muslims need to stand up and speak out against the extremists, because as you said their silence comes off as approval, and it helps the rest of the world to see Islam as an "evil" religion that must be stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
I certainly don't want to tread on free speech, but I agree that I think we treat extremists in America far too lightly. Our country has become so concerned with being politically correct and "fair" to everybody that we're allowing people to attack us from within without ANY sort of response with any sort of backbone.