Capcom: Street Fighter 4 is in the works.

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Originally Posted by Raz0r

Third Strike's "Holy Trinity" is quite true. While others such as Makoto(probably my best character next to Yun), Urien, and Yang are good characters, these characters are greatly outmatched by Chun-Li, Ken, and Yun. These three characters have what it takes to stuff out the rest of the cast.

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Get on Xbox Live, play against X I I's Twelve, or against JohnNiner's (Darmonde here) Ibuki. Play against a few random Uriens, Makotos, or Dudleys. Use any of the Holy Trinity, tell me how well you do.

I'm not saying the three aren't top tier, they definitely are, but unless you're talking about highly-skilled people playing at the highest level, there's always going to be someone out there who's better than you with what you might think is a shitty character. The game is balanced and fun with the majority of characters for like 90% of the people that play it.

Lately I have bene playing a lot of Alpha 2 for SS and its nice to see some Aphla 2 love...I'm looking for Zero 3, but the price is too much (and I can only find it with the stupid 4M pack. I already have that with my X Men vs Streetfighter).

Oh and for the SF 4...I'm still up in the air with that...I dont know about yu guys...but I will STILL give it a go if its released...

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Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv

I just think they need to take the 3rd strike gameplay even further see what innovations they can come up with

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SF3 was enjoyable largely because it lacked innovation. The only real innovation it had was parrying, which I would strongly argue the game would be a lot better without. The best fighters are usually the simple ones.

If SF4 ever did come out, it would probably suck just because they would feel obligated to give it too many gimmicks.

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Originally Posted by Changeling

Trust me, if you played some hardcore Marvel vs Capcom 2 players, you would not call it fun. You would call it a broken cheap piece of shit.

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MvC2 is neither broken nor unbalanced. It's a great game. It's not for everyone, but then no one ever claimed it was.

Balanced: So you can't exactly use Amingo or Chun Li in tournament play. The first and second tiers are larger than the entire cast of MvC1. The team dynamic means there are tons of competitive teams. That's plenty of characters to play with seriously, the rest should be seen as bonus. That's all that really matters. If MvC3 has 2000 characters and only 100 can compete, is that unbalanced too? Depth of first tier is far more important than overall balance. Overall balance isn't necessarily a desirable thing to have anyway.

Not broken: What's broken? Magneto's speed? AHVB? Sentinel flight tricks? Strider/Doom? Psylocke assist? Ummm, juggy glitch? Ironman infinites? I don't know of anything that's truly broken and game ending, unless the MvC2 community has made some serious discovers in the past six months or so.

The gameplay: So it boils down to insane pixie action or massive keepaway. I, and many other people, love it. If you don't, that's fine, plenty of other fighters out there. Magneto comboing the shit out of me doesn't upset me, I love the rush of dealing with a good Mags player. Same with avoiding strider/doom, dealing with cable, whatever.

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Originally Posted by hugmuffin

SF3 was enjoyable largely because it lacked innovation. The only real innovation it had was parrying, which I would strongly argue the game would be a lot better without.

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I disagree. Parrying was a good addition because of its huge risk/reward potential. If you could accurately guess how your opponent will attack with a well-timed parry, you are rewarded with a free opportunity to attack him -- otherwise you eat the attack. You could psychologically mess with your opponent if you're beating him down and then parry his desperate counter-attacks, or dissuade an overly-aggresive fighter if you know how he attacks.

As for Street Fighter 4, I think the folks making the game know that the fanbase is tired of recycled sprites, and they will at least give us high-res sprites. Whether they'll give us Third Strike-level animation depends on how committed they are. As long as the gameplay is good, the roster has no super-overpowered characters, and online play is smooth, I'll buy it.

One interesting thing about the ubiquitous online environment in the next generation of consoles is how developers can "patch" fighting games via an online update to resolve balance and glitch issues. Capcom has a tendency to improve their fighting games by the third iteration (see Hyper Fighting and Third Strike), so I wouldn't be surprised if it takes a couple of months after SF4's release before the game is made perfect through updates.

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Originally Posted by Raz0r

CvS2 is a boring game that can easily be trimmed down to 4 top characters. Third Strike IS fun, but I don't think it's the best out there. Alpha 2 was fun for me until I played A3 which had a better custom combo system (lawls broken). A2 seemed too much of a Chun/Ken/Ryu/Rose game, but top tiers exist in each Capcom game so that's barely a platform for a complain

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CvS2 might be boring to some people , thats fine, but it cannot be easily trimmed down to 4 top tier characters. Thats insane.

Alpha 3 might have had a better combo system in theory, but in reality, Alpha 2 shits al over it. Glad most on this board realize that.

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Originally Posted by Raz0r

I play MvC2 at Chinatown Fair, so I know how it is to play the game in high level play. It's the first game that I ever played tournament-wise. The game has at least 10-12 top tier characters out of 56 or so. The game even has some mid tier characters that can compete if someone is good enough to use them.

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10-12 top tier and some mid tier characters that can compete? We playin the same game? I don't think so. Maybe someone on SRK is saying that this week, but its bullshit. Fuck MvsC2.

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Originally Posted by Raz0r

Third Strike's "Holy Trinity" is quite true. While others such as Makoto(probably my best character next to Yun), Urien, and Yang are good characters, these characters are greatly outmatched by Chun-Li, Ken, and Yun. These three characters have what it takes to stuff out the rest of the cast.

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I think MZO replied to this the best, so I won't say anything else.

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Originally Posted by Raz0r

I've only played GGXX#reload about three times and each time it wasn't enough to actually feel what was different in the game. What I do know is that in GGXX Sol Badguy was a dominating force. Slayer abused the shit out of the slide system. Seems to me that these two broke the game quite hard as it made the rest of the cast barely usable during tournament play

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XX and XXreload are quite different now. Reload is way more balanced now. You should give it more time. Sol isn't a dominate force like he was. Eddie and Slayer.... weeeellll . They're still real good :) Even still , I'm a Venom/Potemkin player and I hold my own very well.

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Originally Posted by Raz0r

To end this, I'm just gonna say eat me. :)

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Only if you hop up and down on my party-pole, baby.

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Originally Posted by Changeling

CvS2 might be boring to some people , thats fine, but it cannot be easily trimmed down to 4 top tier characters. Thats insane.

Alpha 3 might have had a better combo system in theory, but in reality, Alpha 2 shits al over it. Glad most on this board realize that.

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The top characters will revolve around Blanka, Sagat, Cammy, and Ryu. Other characters that are great but only in a certain groove are Bison, Sakura, E. Honda, Rugal, Mai, Vega, and so forth and so on. The only problem is that the four mentioned earlier are good on about every groove. The rest are good on just one or two grooves.

Also, I'm glad that activating CC in A2 so long as you're near your opponent goes through their defenses. Wasn't this a huge strategy in later tournaments of A2? I like A2 but I also see it's faults. Turtling during a close match until someone is ballsy enough to attack and get Alpha Countered to death doesn't really seem exciting.

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10-12 top tier and some mid tier characters that can compete? We playin the same game? I don't think so. Maybe someone on SRK is saying that this week, but its bullshit. Fuck MvsC2.

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This really isn't a decent argument if you're not going to tell me how what I said is false.

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XX and XXreload are quite different now. Reload is way more balanced now. You should give it more time. Sol isn't a dominate force like he was. Eddie and Slayer.... weeeellll . They're still real good :) Even still , I'm a Venom/Potemkin player and I hold my own very well.

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I don't have X-Box. =(

talk about sf4 not circlejerking whatever games you think are better than other peoples games >:O

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Originally Posted by Changeling

10-12 top tier and some mid tier characters that can compete? We playin the same game? I don't think so. Maybe someone on SRK is saying that this week, but its bullshit. Fuck MvsC2.

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cable
doom
sentinel
cyclops
magneto
storm
strider
blackheart
spiral

omega red
iron man
cammy

and top assist characters
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ken
capcom
tron bonne
psylocke


SF3:3s has 20 characters total
MvC has 21 characters total (including secret characters)
SFA2 has 18 characters total
XvSF has 17 characters total

When it comes to "biggest 1st and second tier", MvC2 wins by a land slide. That's all that matters, a large and diverse top tier to keep things interesting. MvC2 does that remarkably well. The rest are just bonus.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Undaunted

Uhh, Funamizu produced Alpha and SF3 you know. And Okamoto didn't leave Capcom until 2003.

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I could have sworn Okamoto left or wasnt involved with any of the SF's once Zero came out

is Funamizu still there?