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I didn't read your post but this quote was the stupidest thing I've ever heard you say. There are alot of liberal Christians, you know. The left isn't "out to get rid of" Christianity, they just don't like dipshits trying to shove it down others throats unsolicited. They want to protect the right to worship for everyone including Christians. That's why groups like the ACLU exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerodash
Itd be nice if that was all the ACLU is doing, but theyre working now to basically whitewash Christianity out of the public consciousness and history. Look at their ridiculous lawsuit against LA County for an image of the cross in the city seal... it wasnt there to force Christianity down anyone's throat, the government of LA has never done anything of the sort in all the years the seal existed, it was there to acknowledge the role Christianity had in forming the city and indeed the entire state. The cross was near the fucking Hollywood Bowl, for heaven's sake.
When some ridiculous public school figure or something tries to force everybody to read some work on the Koran or whatever the ACLU is silent, happened a few years ago with UNC. They are really, really selective in their choices of what to go after and what to leave alone, and it seems to be based on whether or not the offending group has to do with Christianity.
How did I know you would use that example? Anyway, frivolous as it was, I don't know that it was really wrong per se. It just shouldn't have mattered enough to be worth persuing. But again this isn't an attack on Christianity or Christian worship in any way shape or form. Some people are offended by the cross. It's not an impartial symbol. In Israel they don't even use the "+" sign in math because it looks too much like a cross. They use a little thing that looks like an upside down T. Christians have killed alot of people and it makes some people squeemish, and there's no reason it should or has to be on the seal. So big fucking deal, you know?Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Was it a waste of tax dollars? Yeah, for sure. But it didn't do any harm apart from that.
You realize the ACLU only takes cases they're asked to take, right? The ACLU is not very selective. In fact they'll jump to take most cases when called upon, in my experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
You're dead wrong about that. It is however a fact that in America the Christians are the ones who most often atempt to tread on others worship, so maybe that's why they get "picked on". And Christians tend not to turn to the ACLU for help either, but that's their mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Probably because it was fairly high-profile and I was living in LA at the time.Quote:
How did I know you would use that example?
Yea, nearly 1000 years ago. They're not doing it now, get over it. There's another group of people within a particular religion killing a lot of people right now as we speak. But we're not allowed to say that.Quote:
Christians have killed alot of people and it makes some people squeemish
Yea, and what if Im offended by the Hollywood Bowl? We shouldnt be forced to bow down to everybody offended by every little thing. Thats Politicial Correctness of the worst sort. And Im sure there were some Christians very offended by how the ACLU pursued this case. But I dont see the ACLU giving a damn what they think!Quote:
Some people are offended by the cross.
Tell it to the ACLU, they certainly have a funny way of picking their battles.Quote:
So big fucking deal, you know?
Not really. They're usually pretty clear, based on existing precedent.
I don't know the case you're talking about at NCU in particular, but I do know that it's legal to make high school kids read portions of the bible, as I had to in my HS, so I don't see why a university making students read the Koran would be any different? If there's no case the ACLU isn't going to take it, you know?
Yeah, always defending liberal institutions like the KKK, the Nazis, and NAMBLA.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
The ACLU are non-partisan. Christian douchebags (which is to say a segment of the douchebag population, not a condemnation of Christians) just don't like when they don't get to force kids to pray in school and build 10 commandments momunments in courthouses so they pick fights with the ACLU. And said douchebags are on the right. That's the only reason the ACLU is perceived as a leftist group.
Yeah, on this point I agree 100%. I've said similar things. But again it's more that the cross didn't really belong there and doesn't now, so it's not to be missed, even if it wasn't worth the cost of removal.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
The ACLU is nothing but a hypocrytical group with a political agenda. On paper, the beliefs they claim to uphold are noble and good. However, just look at their track record- they spend most of their time going after Christianity and bending over backwards for Islam. As much as I hate Christianity (and religion in general), the ACLU is nothing but a bunch of hypocrites.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
More on the "religion of love":
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050810/...ia_tech_saudis
Will the ACLU intervene? Lets hope so. I'm not holding my breath.
Yeah, vampires.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Some people are offended by burning crosses too. Yet the ACLU defends this as a form of worship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
So have the Jews what's your point?Quote:
Christians have killed alot of people and it makes some people squeemish
The KKK has murdered hundreds of black people.
The third riche murdered millions.
And Islamic lunatics are currently murdering civilians by the dozens.
Again, what's your point?
It is also a fact that this only applies to the extremist, xenophobic, ultra-conservative Christian groups. Honestly, the way you lump us all together like some borgish hive mind makes you sound unconvincing in your arguments.Quote:
It is however a fact that in America the Christians are the ones who most often atempt to tread on others worship, so maybe that's why they get "picked on".
America is a Christian nation despite what anyone says. It stands to reason that when nearly 90% of the adults in this country follow a particular faith that that will be the particular set of beliefs they will lean towards.
Fortunately, this is not the Middle East. The Constitution garuntees religious freedom to everyone who lives here. Especially the less than two million muslims that call this country home.
Fact is most Christians don't give a rat's ass what religion you practice as long as you aren't interfering with their practice of worship. It's when you get idiots and institutions that try to say you can put up every religious icon during a Christmas festival except a cross or a manger scene that we start making noise.
Not on the state flag or on your lawn, douchebag. And they defend it as speech not worship. I shouldn't have to explain thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Master of 7s
My only point was that the cross is a religious symbol that doesn't have to be on the state seal. It wasn't an anti-Christian point. What was your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master of 7s