Iran Executes Two Homosexual Boys

http://beirut.indymedia.org/en/2005/07/2999.shtml

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Two gay Iranian teenagers -- one 18, the other believed to be 16 or 17, were executed this week for the "crime" of homosexuality, the Iranian Student News Agency (ISNA) reported on July 19. (The ISNA report is in Farsi, and was translated into English by the British gay rights group OutRage!, ISNA also provided the terrifying photos of the teens' last moments you see on this page (check below).The two youths -- identified only by their initials as M.A. and A.M., were hanged on July 19 in Edalat (Justice) Square in the city of Mashhad in north-eastern Iran, on the orders of Court No. 19. The hanging of the teens was also reported by the National Council of Resistance of Iran.

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HOW FUCKED UP IS THIS SHIT!!!!




what a way to start my morning. I give the U.S full authority to bomb iran!

I may not agree with homosexuality, but that's very wrong.

Feh.

Holy shit, man. As much as I hate the homos, that does seem a little cruel.

Truly, Shari'a law is the pinnacle of justice.

OHSHITS! SUPERMARIOS MASTAR PLAN IS IN EFFECT!

So, liberals, would you like us to free the people of the Middle East, or would you like to see gays swing in the wind? Your stupid ass pacifism cost these people their lives. Sleep on that.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

Your stupid ass pacifism cost these people their lives.

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I'm pretty sure it was the Iranian Government that cost these two people their lives.

Conservatives funded and fueld the Taliban, through both direct action and inaction, which did things that were just as fucked up as this, but, of course you know this already.

Had it not been for the pictures, I probably really wouldn't care as much. I can't believe they've only got three of them, though. This kind of thing seems kind of major - couldn't they have posted more than three fucking pictures? And where can I get my hands on some of that video recording via the internets?

It's so hard to believe this kind of ass backwards shit still goes on in the 21st century. How can these people consider themselves civilized?

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

So, liberals, would you like us to free the people of the Middle East, or would you like to see gays swing in the wind? Your stupid ass pacifism cost these people their lives. Sleep on that.

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I'll take a little from column A, and a little from column B. Thank you very much!

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

So, liberals, would you like us to free the people of the Middle East, or would you like to see gays swing in the wind? Your stupid ass pacifism cost these people their lives. Sleep on that.

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Care to explain, or are you just going to toss out baseless commentary?

"thou shalt not kill"

not even for Homosexualality. Iran can go to hell.

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Originally Posted by marwan

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HOW FUCKED UP IS THIS SHIT!!!!




what a way to start my morning. I give the U.S full authority to bomb iran!

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It IS fucked up, but the US has NO right to bomb countries for THEIR rules. We are not everybodies daddy.

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Originally Posted by Ashen Victor

OHSHITS! SUPERMARIOS MASTAR PLAN IS IN EFFECT!

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No its not, its a discusting biproduct of satan.

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Originally Posted by voltz

"thou shalt not kill"

not even for Homosexualality. Iran can go to hell.

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You are 100% correct, the leaders that ordered this to be done will burn in hell and I pray those poor boys will be maryters that will go to heaven. :(

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

So, liberals, would you like us to free the people of the Middle East, or would you like to see gays swing in the wind? Your stupid ass pacifism cost these people their lives. Sleep on that.

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If we didn't care enough to do anything about Rwanda or Darfur, my guess is that a couple of gay kids getting hanged isn't exactly going to spur us into action. If anything, we'll have other motives.

Besides, even if we invaded Iran and set up a friendly government, they'd probably still hang gays. It's just a step further than how many conservative Christians here feel.

This is gay.

This really sucks and everything, but I can't help but think one of those guys in the first shot looks like Ben from Short Circuit.

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Originally Posted by Glitch 2.0

Had it not been for the pictures, I probably really wouldn't care as much. I can't believe they've only got three of them, though. This kind of thing seems kind of major - couldn't they have posted more than three fucking pictures? And where can I get my hands on some of that video recording via the internets?

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You're an asshole.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

So, liberals, would you like us to free the people of the Middle East, or would you like to see gays swing in the wind? Your stupid ass pacifism cost these people their lives. Sleep on that.

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go fuck yourself dipshit, iranians are known to be extremists!

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Originally Posted by hugmuffin

I'm pretty sure it was the Iranian Government that cost these two people their lives.

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it's ok, Yoshi is just ignorant.

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Originally Posted by Glitch 2.0

Had it not been for the pictures, I probably really wouldn't care as much. I can't believe they've only got three of them, though. This kind of thing seems kind of major - couldn't they have posted more than three fucking pictures? And where can I get my hands on some of that video recording via the internets?

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sorry i forgot to post pictures of the two guys making out! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

So, liberals, would you like us to free the people of the Middle East, or would you like to see gays swing in the wind? Your stupid ass pacifism cost these people their lives. Sleep on that.

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Unless they provide us with oil or help us fight a common enemy. Then they're our bestest buddies and we'll look the other way as hard as we possibly can!

Conservatives and liberals alike have been astoundingly disingenuous regarding what we should do in the middle east, and their reasons for thinking so.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

So, liberals, would you like us to free the people of the Middle East, or would you like to see gays swing in the wind? Your stupid ass pacifism cost these people their lives. Sleep on that.

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Now this is just horseshit. You're making an EXTREMELY broad accusation with only scant, anecdotal assumptions as your proof. So, you can go fuck yourself. 'Liberals' had just as much to do with this as you did, nothing.

I'm gonna quote this again.

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Your stupid ass pacifism cost these people their lives.

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I mean seriously, two people died over something that wouldn't make a difference to anybody, yet their system decided to slaughter them like cattle over it.

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Originally Posted by Jed

It's so hard to believe this kind of ass backwards shit still goes on in the 21st century. How can these people consider themselves civilized?

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I dont know if they do, but no one else does... :\

I don't know why we're so upset over what Yoshi has to say.
It's obvious he just wants to look cool to the rest of us.

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Originally Posted by MVS

Conservatives funded and fueld the Taliban, through both direct action and inaction, which did things that were just as fucked up as this, but, of course you know this already.

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Yeah, but they did it to defeat TEH C0MUN1SM!!!!"

i guess thats the only good thing about iran. they are on the right track.

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Originally Posted by BURN007

i guess thats the only good thing about iran. they are on the right track.

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Where the fuck did you come from?

Burn I really think you should stay off Sound off, because on the gaming forums you always seem cool, here you just come off as a homophobic douche.

And I say douche because you don't say "I dislike homosexuals they should be punished" it's "Good let's kill all homosexuals because they're obviously not people"

Next time Daniel Carver calls in on the howard stern show, be sure to call in too.

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Originally Posted by BURN007

i guess thats the only good thing about iran. they are on the right track.

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I hope you get kicked in the nuts today.

To post on topic, I really don't agree with homosexuality but it's saddening to see people treated like animals. Shows how peoples embrace of backwards idealogy really helps in the long run.

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Originally Posted by station82o

I hope you get kicked in the nuts today.

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Ah, relax, he's just in the closet and really scared of who he is. Homophobia is almost always a sign that someone is gay and fears reality.

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Originally Posted by BURN007

i guess thats the only good thing about iran. they are on the right track.

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One of the stupidest, most ignorant posts I've ever seen on TNL. Thats the kind of crap you see on Neo-Nazi websites.

And Gamefaqs.

But mostly Gamefaqs.

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Originally Posted by sethsez

You're an asshole.

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No, I don't think he is. The pictures are what infuriated him the most, so if seeing pictures of some of this stuff is what moves kids today then let them see it. Atleast they won't be apathetic couch slugs.

It may be a bit harsh but he's not whacking off to this stuff. He's exposing himself to some of the hatred in the world without the shelter of type.

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Originally Posted by Mykozo

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One of the stupidest, most ignorant posts I've ever seen on TNL. Thats the kind of crap you see on Neo-Nazi websites.

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Seriously. I think it is the stupidest. Not even a contender around to challenge it.

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Originally Posted by voltz

"thou shalt not kill"

not even for Homosexualality. Iran can go to hell.

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Something tells me that Iran isn't running off the 10 Commandments.

You know how their cities look sets from Indiana Jones even though Indiana Jones is almost 20 years old now?
Yeah.... these countries would rather kill each other than grow and learn.

It's funny though because besides using bricks now, they really aren't that different from times that happened centuries ago.

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Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone

Care to explain, or are you just going to toss out baseless commentary?

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You should know by now that Yoshi is never interested in debating anything seriously.

All he ever does is toss off shit like this.

He can't back it up, so just ignore him.

can I join the "so just ingore him." group?

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Originally Posted by marwan

sorry i forgot to post pictures of the two guys making out! :rolleyes:

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Well get on it.

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Originally Posted by BURN007

i guess thats the only good thing about iran. they are on the right track.

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I think he was refering to the comunist statement above his post.

I sure hope he was.

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Originally Posted by BURN007

i guess thats the only good thing about iran. they are on the right track.

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Goodbye.

As much as I think that conservatives would like evidence of the Middle East being openly oppressive to their citizens, I find it hard to believe that they would vocally side with the homosexuals, considering the conflicts that the two groups have over here.

Uh
Yeah

Because marital rights is just like the right to life

It's a win-win situation for them. Two birds with one stone.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

So, liberals, would you like us to free the people of the Middle East, or would you like to see gays swing in the wind? Your stupid ass pacifism cost these people their lives. Sleep on that.

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You do realize that "setting them free" doesn't mean they're not going to do this shit. They believe in this. We set Iraq "free" and they voted for Islamic law. Show me a successful modern democracy in the middle east that comes from our militaristic efforts and you just might have a point, but until then, get the fuck off your high horse.

This is bad, but at least they're open about why they're killing them. In this country, some T can get killed and the murderers get to go free because they were "confused and upset."

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Originally Posted by BURN007

i guess thats the only good thing about iran. they are on the right track.

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Yoshi alter ego?

nah, I have a feeling Yoshi isn't setting foot in this thread again.

I heard that Jews and Israelis are prohibited from entering the UAE.

Wassup with that?

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Originally Posted by sleeveboy

Goodbye.

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Burn007 got burned.

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Originally Posted by Cowdisease

Burn007 got burned.

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If we can't tolerate opinions like his, then surely the terrorists have already won.

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Originally Posted by Revoltor

I heard that Jews and Israelis are prohibited from entering the UAE.

Wassup with that?

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there are jews in the UAE, but very little. Israeli passport olders arent allowed to enter because of all the political situation in the israel/palestine.

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Originally Posted by johnk_

If we didn't care enough to do anything about Rwanda or Darfur, my guess is that a couple of gay kids getting hanged isn't exactly going to spur us into action. If anything, we'll have other motives.

Besides, even if we invaded Iran and set up a friendly government, they'd probably still hang gays. It's just a step further than how many conservative Christians here feel.

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ok not letting this comment slide either. its a bit more than a "step", its homicide vurses considering specific actions sinful, you really cant compare that rationaly. but yeah, fucked up things like this happen all the time, its sad, but not that rare. if we got the full news from areas like this, its probably not that uncommmon.

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Originally Posted by johnk_

It's just a step further than how many conservative Christians here feel.

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Okay, back up Charlie Brown.

You sound about as stupid as Yoshi right now. Do you actually know any Christians?

How are you coming to this retarded conclusion because no TRUE Christian wants to see someone murdered over something like this. We want them converted and part of the Family. I have five good homosexual friends whom I love and I never want to see some bullshit like this go down.

Seriously if don't know how most Christians actually think or feel (and you obviously don't), then kindly shut the fuck up.


And for the record people, the sixth commandment is not Thou shalt not kill. It is "Thou shalt not murder."

To kill and to murder is not the same thing.

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Originally Posted by johnk_

nah, I have a feeling Yoshi isn't setting foot in this thread again.

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He doesn't need to. His work is done. :)

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Originally Posted by Master of 7s

Okay, back up Charlie Brown.

You sound about as stupid as Yoshi right now. Do you actually know any Christians?

How are you coming to this retarded conclusion because no TRUE Christian wants to see someone murdered over something like this. We want them converted and part of the Family. I have five good homosexual friends whom I love and I never want to see some bullshit like this go down.

Seriously if don't know how most Christians actually think or feel (and you obviously don't), then kindly shut the fuck up.


And for the record people, the sixth commandment is not Thou shalt not kill. It is "Thou shalt not murder."

To kill and to murder is not the same thing.

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Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

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Originally Posted by Master of 7s

Okay, back up Charlie Brown.

You sound about as stupid as Yoshi right now. Do you actually know any Christians?

How are you coming to this retarded conclusion because no TRUE Christian wants to see someone murdered over something like this. We want them converted and part of the Family. I have five good homosexual friends whom I love and I never want to see some bullshit like this go down.

Seriously if don't know how most Christians actually think or feel (and you obviously don't), then kindly shut the fuck up.


And for the record people, the sixth commandment is not Thou shalt not kill. It is "Thou shalt not murder."

To kill and to murder is not the same thing.

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I second that.

Yoshi does (indirectly) underscore one point- The left is way hypocrytical when it comes to Islam. They go apeshit over anything Christians do or believe (but they aren't flying planes into buildings), but bend over backwards to "understand" the "religion of love".

Islam actually stands for everything liberals claim to stand against (which is why they oppose christianity): Homophobia, Social Injustice, Xenophobia, Violence, Intolerance, etc. It just so happens that a conservative president is involved in a war against islamic entities- hence why liberals are so sympathetic to their cause.

If 9-11 was executed by Christian terrorists (bringing the wrath of Jesus onto the great satan), you bet your bottom dollar the entire left would be in support of the war on terrorism.

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Originally Posted by Zerodash

Xenophobia

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I had to look that one up. So Islams fear aliens? Wussies.

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Originally Posted by Zerodash

If 9-11 was executed by Christian terrorists (bringing the wrath of Jesus onto the great satan), you bet your bottom dollar the entire left would be in support of the war on terrorism.

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What's this "left" you're talking about? Point it out to me there, will you.

And I hope you don't mean support the war in IRAQ - The war in IRAQ that was started to find the Weapons of Mass Destruction that were known not to exist? If the reasons for that war were good, then why did they have to lie to make it happen?

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Originally Posted by Zerodash

Yoshi does (indirectly) underscore one point- The left is way hypocrytical when it comes to Islam. They go apeshit over anything Christians do or believe (but they aren't flying planes into buildings), but bend over backwards to "understand" the "religion of love".

Islam actually stands for everything liberals claim to stand against (which is why they oppose christianity): Homophobia, Social Injustice, Xenophobia, Violence, Intolerance, etc. It just so happens that a conservative president is involved in a war against islamic entities- hence why liberals are so sympathetic to their cause.

If 9-11 was executed by Christian terrorists (bringing the wrath of Jesus onto the great satan), you bet your bottom dollar the entire left would be in support of the war on terrorism.

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Left, left, left.....WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS LEFT?

Are you so ignorant that you think everybody that leans democratic shares some coporate mindset or reads from the same handbook "How to be a bleeding heart Nazi sympathizer"?

What, you think there are no Christian liberals or atheist republicans?

Where is this "Left" and who comprises it? I'd really love an answer to that one.

Opposing the war in Iraq != opposing the war on terror.

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Disagreeing with how the war on terror is being carried out != being opposed to the concept entirely

Actually, what Zerodash said is what drove a rift between myself and the people who are supposed to be my "fellow liberals" and whatnot. Granted, what Mo7's said is true, in addition - I wouldn't dispute that because I know plenty of REALLY religious liberals (I don't know any athiest Republicans, but I'm not going to discount that possibility). Zero was just generalizing and he's correct because most left-leaning folks are like what he described. Even my Christian liberal friends spit vitriol about the President and sympathize with Islam.

The fact that these two boys were killed because they love one another really ought to be reason enough for the WORLD (not just the USA) to be proactive and initiate change over there. Saying things like, "They're in a dark age, they'll come out of it," or crap like that which encourages waiting does not help. Look at this bullshit:

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Homosexuality is illegal, those charged with love-making are given a choice of four deathstyles: being hanged, stoned, halved by a sword, or dropped from the highest perch.

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Come on now. Halved by a sword? Stoned? That has to change, it's evil.

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Originally Posted by sethsez

Opposing the war in Iraq != opposing the war on terror.

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Disagreeing with how the war on terror is being carried out != being opposed to the concept entirely

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That's a concept many people can't grasp. But this has nothing to do with terrorism, it has to do with Islam just being an all-around shitty religion. I don't care if this sort of thing is specific to Iran.

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Originally Posted by Mike

(I don't know any athiest Republicans, but I'm not going to discount that possibility).
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i was under the impression we had yoshi for that, honestly its not that easy for a christian to be a republican, most observant christans would be more inclined to fiscally liberal views as part of the religions message of giving of yourself to help the poor. its more a marriage of convenience than an actual sympathy for the views. anyhow, its interesting that this stirs you up that much, in third world countries there are all kinds of atrocities done for reasons we dont agree with, but this somehow hits the line for some people. As fucked up as this is, african govenrments have done things 10 tiems worse but it dosent catch the worlds eye because its more conventional starving of their people and degrading their people into slavery.

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Originally Posted by Mikey

What's this "left" you're talking about? Point it out to me there, will you.

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My point is better condensed by Mike:

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Originally Posted by Mike

Actually, what Zerodash said is what drove a rift between myself and the people who are supposed to be my "fellow liberals" and whatnot. Granted, what Mo7's said is true, in addition - I wouldn't dispute that because I know plenty of REALLY religious liberals (I don't know any athiest Republicans, but I'm not going to discount that possibility). Zero was just generalizing and he's correct because most left-leaning folks are like what he described. Even my Christian liberal friends spit vitriol about the President and sympathize with Islam.

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Originally Posted by frostwolf ex

i was under the impression we had yoshi for that.

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I believe in the all mighty dollar. Can I still be atheist?

In all seriousness, I am more agnostic than atheist, but for the purposes of this discussion, it is close enough.

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Originally Posted by frostwolf ex

i was under the impression we had yoshi for that

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I don't know Yoshi personally, so he doesn't count. If I knew he acted in real life the way he acts on here, then he'd count.

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honestly its not that easy for a christian to be a republican, msot observant christans would be more inclined to fiscally liberal views as part of the religions message of giving of yourself to help the poor.

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But then, how many of those people actually observe proper worship and help the poor? They're too busy engaging in the same activities as the rest of us (greed, sloth, envy, etc.) and then confessing on Sunday. Hey! Sorry, God! Yadda yadda yadda, nice talking to you, Father, I have to get back home and work on my day off so that I can buy the new Mercedes!

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anyhow, its interesting thatthis stirs you up that much, in third world countries there are all kinds of atrocities done for reasons we dont agree with, but this somehow hits the line for some people. As fucked up as this is, african govenrments have doen things 10 tiems worse but it dosent catch the worlds eye because its more conventional starving of their peopel and degrading their peopel into slavery.

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That stirs me up, too. Again, my "fellows" are quick to avert their eyes from something bad that going on.

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Originally Posted by Master of 7s

no TRUE Christian wants to see someone murdered over something like this.

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I know that, which is why I never said that they do want to see someone murdered.

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Originally Posted by frostwolf ex

honestly its not that easy for a christian to be a republican,

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I'd say it was very easy. The two words go hand in hand here. Ofcorse I think it would be easier for the locals here to be democrats if liberals would leave their fucking gun rights alone.

new public ad.

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Originally Posted by Zerodash

If 9-11 was executed by Christian terrorists (bringing the wrath of Jesus onto the great satan), you bet your bottom dollar the entire left would be in support of the war on terrorism.

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I didn't read your post but this quote was the stupidest thing I've ever heard you say. There are alot of liberal Christians, you know. The left isn't "out to get rid of" Christianity, they just don't like dipshits trying to shove it down others throats unsolicited. They want to protect the right to worship for everyone including Christians. That's why groups like the ACLU exist.

Itd be nice if that was all the ACLU is doing, but theyre working now to basically whitewash Christianity out of the public consciousness and history. Look at their ridiculous lawsuit against LA County for an image of the cross in the city seal... it wasnt there to force Christianity down anyone's throat, the government of LA has never done anything of the sort in all the years the seal existed, it was there to acknowledge the role Christianity had in forming the city and indeed the entire state. The cross was near the fucking Hollywood Bowl, for heaven's sake.

When some ridiculous public school figure or something tries to force everybody to read some work on the Koran or whatever the ACLU is silent, happened a few years ago with UNC. They are really, really selective in their choices of what to go after and what to leave alone, and it seems to be based on whether or not the offending group has to do with Christianity.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

Itd be nice if that was all the ACLU is doing, but theyre working now to basically whitewash Christianity out of the public consciousness and history. Look at their ridiculous lawsuit against LA County for an image of the cross in the city seal... it wasnt there to force Christianity down anyone's throat, it was there to acknowledge the role Christianity had in forming the city and indeed the entire state.

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How did I know you would use that example? Anyway, frivolous as it was, I don't know that it was really wrong per se. It just shouldn't have mattered enough to be worth persuing. But again this isn't an attack on Christianity or Christian worship in any way shape or form. Some people are offended by the cross. It's not an impartial symbol. In Israel they don't even use the "+" sign in math because it looks too much like a cross. They use a little thing that looks like an upside down T. Christians have killed alot of people and it makes some people squeemish, and there's no reason it should or has to be on the seal. So big fucking deal, you know?

Was it a waste of tax dollars? Yeah, for sure. But it didn't do any harm apart from that.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

When some ridiculous public school figure or something tries to force everybody to read some work on the Koran or whatever the ACLU is silent, happened a few years ago with UNC.

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You realize the ACLU only takes cases they're asked to take, right? The ACLU is not very selective. In fact they'll jump to take most cases when called upon, in my experience.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

They are really, really selective in their choices of what to go after and what to leave alone, and it seems to be based on whether or not the offending group has to do with Christianity.

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You're dead wrong about that. It is however a fact that in America the Christians are the ones who most often atempt to tread on others worship, so maybe that's why they get "picked on". And Christians tend not to turn to the ACLU for help either, but that's their mistake.

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How did I know you would use that example?

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Probably because it was fairly high-profile and I was living in LA at the time.

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Christians have killed alot of people and it makes some people squeemish

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Yea, nearly 1000 years ago. They're not doing it now, get over it. There's another group of people within a particular religion killing a lot of people right now as we speak. But we're not allowed to say that.

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Some people are offended by the cross.

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Yea, and what if Im offended by the Hollywood Bowl? We shouldnt be forced to bow down to everybody offended by every little thing. Thats Politicial Correctness of the worst sort. And Im sure there were some Christians very offended by how the ACLU pursued this case. But I dont see the ACLU giving a damn what they think!

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So big fucking deal, you know?

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Tell it to the ACLU, they certainly have a funny way of picking their battles.

Not really. They're usually pretty clear, based on existing precedent.

I don't know the case you're talking about at NCU in particular, but I do know that it's legal to make high school kids read portions of the bible, as I had to in my HS, so I don't see why a university making students read the Koran would be any different? If there's no case the ACLU isn't going to take it, you know?

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

Tell it to the ACLU, they certainly have a funny way of picking their battles.

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Yeah, always defending liberal institutions like the KKK, the Nazis, and NAMBLA.

The ACLU are non-partisan. Christian douchebags (which is to say a segment of the douchebag population, not a condemnation of Christians) just don't like when they don't get to force kids to pray in school and build 10 commandments momunments in courthouses so they pick fights with the ACLU. And said douchebags are on the right. That's the only reason the ACLU is perceived as a leftist group.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

Yea, and what if Im offended by the Hollywood Bowl? We shouldnt be forced to bow down to everybody offended by every little thing. Thats Politicial Correctness of the worst sort.

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Yeah, on this point I agree 100%. I've said similar things. But again it's more that the cross didn't really belong there and doesn't now, so it's not to be missed, even if it wasn't worth the cost of removal.

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Originally Posted by Frogacuda

That's why groups like the ACLU exist.

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The ACLU is nothing but a hypocrytical group with a political agenda. On paper, the beliefs they claim to uphold are noble and good. However, just look at their track record- they spend most of their time going after Christianity and bending over backwards for Islam. As much as I hate Christianity (and religion in general), the ACLU is nothing but a bunch of hypocrites.

More on the "religion of love":
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050810/...ia_tech_saudis

Will the ACLU intervene? Lets hope so. I'm not holding my breath.

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Originally Posted by Frogacuda

Some people are offended by the cross.

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Yeah, vampires.

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Originally Posted by Frogacuda

Some people are offended by the cross. It's not an impartial symbol.

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Some people are offended by burning crosses too. Yet the ACLU defends this as a form of worship.

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Christians have killed alot of people and it makes some people squeemish

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So have the Jews what's your point?

The KKK has murdered hundreds of black people.

The third riche murdered millions.

And Islamic lunatics are currently murdering civilians by the dozens.

Again, what's your point?

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It is however a fact that in America the Christians are the ones who most often atempt to tread on others worship, so maybe that's why they get "picked on".

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It is also a fact that this only applies to the extremist, xenophobic, ultra-conservative Christian groups. Honestly, the way you lump us all together like some borgish hive mind makes you sound unconvincing in your arguments.

America is a Christian nation despite what anyone says. It stands to reason that when nearly 90% of the adults in this country follow a particular faith that that will be the particular set of beliefs they will lean towards.

Fortunately, this is not the Middle East. The Constitution garuntees religious freedom to everyone who lives here. Especially the less than two million muslims that call this country home.

Fact is most Christians don't give a rat's ass what religion you practice as long as you aren't interfering with their practice of worship. It's when you get idiots and institutions that try to say you can put up every religious icon during a Christmas festival except a cross or a manger scene that we start making noise.

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Originally Posted by Master of 7s

Some people are offended by burning crosses too. Yet the ACLU defends this as a form of worship.

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Not on the state flag or on your lawn, douchebag. And they defend it as speech not worship. I shouldn't have to explain this

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Originally Posted by Master of 7s

So have the Jews what's your point?

The KKK has murdered hundreds of black people.

The third riche murdered millions.

And Islamic lunatics are currently murdering civilians by the dozens.

Again, what's your point?

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My only point was that the cross is a religious symbol that doesn't have to be on the state seal. It wasn't an anti-Christian point. What was your point?

A Christian with a persecution complex, how ironic.

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Originally Posted by Master of 7s

It is also a fact that this only applies to the extremist, xenophobic, ultra-conservative Christian groups. Honestly, the way you lump us all together like some borgish hive mind makes you sound unconvincing in your arguments.

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Actually, I went out of my way not to do that several times and said that not all chrsitians are like that, that they were a segment of the christian population, but thanks for reading selectively.

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Originally Posted by Zerodash

The ACLU is nothing but a hypocrytical group with a political agenda. On paper, the beliefs they claim to uphold are noble and good. However, just look at their track record- they spend most of their time going after Christianity and bending over backwards for Islam. As much as I hate Christianity (and religion in general), the ACLU is nothing but a bunch of hypocrites.

More on the "religion of love":
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050810/...ia_tech_saudis

Will the ACLU intervene? Lets hope so. I'm not holding my breath.

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How does seperate classes for men an women create a hostile work environment and why would the ACLU take such a case? And was the ACLU even contacted to take the case?

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Originally Posted by Master of 7s

America is a Christian nation despite what anyone says. It stands to reason that when nearly 90% of the adults in this country follow a particular faith that that will be the particular set of beliefs they will lean towards.

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It's a nation based on minority rights, not majority rule. And you know this already

SO the ACLU has to be contacted, now?

"It's when you get idiots and institutions that try to say you can put up every religious icon during a Christmas festival except a cross or a manger scene that we start making noise."
No kidding. I'm not even Christian

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Originally Posted by Joust Williams

SO the ACLU has to be contacted, now?

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Always have. They can't just walk in and appoint themselves as your legal staff. How did you think this worked?

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Originally Posted by Master of 7s

"It's when you get idiots and institutions that try to say you can put up every religious icon during a Christmas festival except a cross or a manger scene that we start making noise."

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Tell you what. When some political authority tries to make you remove a manger scene from your private home or church, contact the ACLU, and let's take bets on wether or not they take you case, ok? I'm pretty sure they would.

Remember, the ACLU can't protect you against politcially correct jizzbags whining. They have to be in a postition of political authority for that to even be relevant. The PTA doesn't count.

They don't have to appoint themselves. But they can ask you if you want to appoint them.

I can't get up and say "Hmm, I think I'll be this guy's lawyer" but I can say "Hey, guy, can I be your leagl counsel?"

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They don't have to appoint themselves. But they can ask you if you want to appoint them.

I can't get up and say "Hmm, I think I'll be this guy's lawyer" but I can say "Hey, guy, can I be your leagl counsel?"

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99 times out of 100 they take a case because they were contacted by the plaintiff. Waiting around for them to come to you is absolutely silly. That doesn't mean they aren't there for you, too.

Good, I should contact the ACLU to help me out because I feel offended by all this anti-Christian nonsense the ACLU is conducting against schools, governments, etc. Maybe they will enter an infinite loop and explode.

damn whats up with all this gay love from TNL'er??
you call anyone you don't like "gay" & make fun of anyone who is, but when muslims kill them you become bleeding heart liberals

anyways I remember all those signs & crap from religious Christian groups protesting gays, stuff like "God hates fags" etc

do YOU think that the super hardcore fanatical Christian groups wouldn't do the same if they got that kind of power??

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Originally Posted by WTFer

do YOU think that the super hardcore fanatical Christian groups wouldn't do the same if they got that kind of power??

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Any super hardcore fanatical group would, it has nothing to do with whether they are Christian, Muslim, Aryan, or whatever. People who are so messed up mentally that they dedicate their lives entirely to a belief/set of beliefs (in this case, a religion) will have no problem rationalizing something like this.

And to clear up an earlier point, this is not a Christian nation. A majority of the populace may follow that particular religion but the United States is a capitalist nation. It was built and runs on laissez-faire.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

Good, I should contact the ACLU to help me out because I feel offended by all this anti-Christian nonsense the ACLU is conducting against schools, governments, etc. Maybe they will enter an infinite loop and explode.

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You don't have a constitutional right not to be offended. Being offended might be a motivator in taking action but it's totally irrellevant to the case itself. And again, I know you know this because you said it and I agreed with you, so let's not be retarded.

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You don't have a constitutional right not to be offended.

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Everybody should be told this at least once a day; especially black people, parents of retarded children and really uppity/religious white people.

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damn whats up with all this gay love from TNL'er??
you call anyone you don't like "gay" & make fun of anyone who is, but when muslims kill them you become bleeding heart liberals

anyways I remember all those signs & crap from religious Christian groups protesting gays, stuff like "God hates fags" etc

do YOU think that the super hardcore fanatical Christian groups wouldn't do the same if they got that kind of power??

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Just because we have a secure sense of sexuality and have no problem throwing around the word gay which is already so overused in society that it is probably only relevant 1 out of 1000 conversations involving it, doesn't mean we hate homosexuals. Except Yoshi.

We're not assholes with no respect for life, at least most of us aren't.

Oh and I agree with Mike, therefore I'm sigging that statement.

Ya know what, as much as i would LOVE to invade Iran/Iraq/All of Africa and all those other backwards ass places which execute people for being people here why we don't. Because in the end its the people who live there who have to change, not their laws, even if we changed the laws, it comes back to the people there to enforce them. Because enough people believe (like Burn) that homosexuality deserves death its permissable where people like him exsist.

Remember when lynchings went unpunished? Yeah its like that

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Originally Posted by MarsKitten

Because in the end its the people who live there who have to change, not their laws, even if we changed the laws, it comes back to the people there to enforce them. Because enough people believe (like Burn) that homosexuality deserves death its permissable where people like him exsist.

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That's actually not entirely true. What is legal and what isn't legal can alter the public's perception of the morality of things. When something becomes legal, even if it's very unpopular at the time, it tends to become accpeted after some years go by.

Well in this case being homosexual is very not okay in the middle east. Yeah in some places like Lebanon and Eygpt people get by on the downlow , but the majority of times, being gay, lesbian or trans in the majority of the middle east, even Iraq, even in the American controled areas is basicly asking for trouble.

Being caught by the officals is actually a blessing for them because at least then they're required to have 4 witnesses to actually convict someone of homosexual behavior, assuming whoever's running things goes by the book (ususally being caught in the act, holding hands and kissing even on the cheeks/lips is pretty common as a greeting even for friends/family in the ME). And the penalities are usually not death, usually a few thousand lashes, depending on where you're situated exactly.

Relivant links

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And the penalities are usually not death, usually a few thousand lashes, depending on where you're situated exactly.

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I think a few thousand lashes will kill the average person.

Which is kinda the point.

More idiocy from the "religion of love":

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051020...s_051020180918

I ask again, why is the left so soft on Islam and yet so harsh on Christianity?

If only we could all stop buying their oil, then the people over there could go back to being the hillbilly peasants they really are.

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More idiocy from the "religion of love":

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What? An fundamentalist candidate from the Muslim Brotherhood? Shocking. Her opinion is no different than that of most Christian fundamentalist women and it's painfully obvious.

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Originally Posted by Zerodash

I ask again, why is the left so soft on Islam and yet so harsh on Christianity?

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Just because Fox News or NewsMax says it, doesn't mean it's true.

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What? An fundamentalist candidate from the Muslim Brotherhood? Shocking. Her opinion is no different than that of most Christian fundamentalist women and it's painfully obvious.

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For once we agree on something.

But I also agree with part of that woman's viewpoint. God intended woman to be man's helpmate, partner and co-ruler not his slave or servant. But at the same time, woman must respect man's God-given authority and be humbl and not make trouble for him, while man must not abuse his authority and power in any way.

Men are supposed to love women not humiliate them.