my point was that this doesnt belong in the september thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
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my point was that this doesnt belong in the september thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
:sweat: Well that's true too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Dyne
How so?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
If I want to make sure Kingdom Hearts II is at gamestop for me the day it comes out, does it really hurt to put five dollars on it in andvance? I get all that money back, it's not like it actually cost me anything to have them hold one for me.
That's odd. Some websites have listed Neowave for Xbox with a November release date. I don't mind too much that it got pushed back till February, because it gives me more time to play KoF 2003 online. Where did you get the info?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grave
EDIT: Gamespot has it listed for February 2006. Markryan, you should tell IGN that their November release date for KoF: Neowave (Xbox) might be wrong.
(transformers stuff)
Eh. Haven't watched the cartoons since the first ep. of Armada. I've never been a fan of Beast Wars. I can't even sit through the classic eps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
It actually does cost you. GameStop earns interest on any money that you put down. Therefore, you don't earn that interest. That is oppotunity cost. You have lost money. The chances of a game selling out on day one is very, very low with few exceptions. Thus, you are spending more and not getting any value in return. You are making GameStop quite profitable, however, so if you are a shareholder you might care. I personally don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opaque
How are they earning interests? Do they take your pre-order money and put it in a savings account?
Of course. What the fuck else would they do with it? Put it under their mattress?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tojo
Ha! Who cares?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Im putting the 5 down to hold the game, and it gets held. Sure on a big game like Kingdom Hearts II it does not matter to reserve it, but something like KoF2002/2003 they might not get without someone preordering it.
Keep telling yourself that. Have you ever seen a guarantee that says you will have it day one if you preorder?Quote:
Originally Posted by Clash!
When I bought Euro Shenmue II and Strider 2 from EB they said those were their only copies. I don't think they would have got them in if I hadn't pre-ordered. In general I don't pre-order stuff though.
Something like Euro Shenmue II makes some sense. However, what was your risk if they didn't carry it? You could buy it online cheaper. That's not much risk and certainly not enough to warrant putting money down. I can see $5 for convenience, but paying in full? Come on!Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater
The last thing I preordered was Katamari Damacy. And mine was one of the 3 copies EB got in on day one. The other 2 were preordered as well. In most cases though, Yoshi is right on the money. The only time I'll put $5 down is if it's a niche title that I think they may sell out of really fast and not get more in. I wish I had put $5 down on Nanostray, I've been having a hell of a time finding that one (of course I haven't resorted to buying it online yet).
I can see buying it in full. You might have the $50 now and want to put it towards something you'll enjoy versus the risk of blowing that money later, or just not having it down the line for whatever reason. Plus, by buying it in a brick and mortar store, he avoided shipping fees, and got the game in his hands the second it arrived. I haven't preordered anything in full ever, and I haven't put a preorder down on a game at all since Spikeout Battle Street.
So you waste money to make up for your own lack of discipline. Two wrongs don't make a right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
Right, and you pay for that privilege.Quote:
Plus, by buying it in a brick and mortar store, he avoided shipping fees, and got the game in his hands the second it arrived.
See, not preording that piece of shit could have saved you money if they didn't get it in.Quote:
I haven't preordered anything in full ever, and I haven't put a preorder down on a game at all since Spikeout Battle Street.
Perhaps that's where I'm thinking wrong. I almost always only put the bare minimum to preorder something if I think it might be harder to get later. Then again, I'm friends with most of the people that work at the local Software Etc. so I don't really need to worry about getting a game held or not.
Preordering by paying full price beforehand is nutso though. Although I guess it's a good thing if you can't manage your money yourself.
Anyways, back to the topic, I got NHL 2K6 (Xbox) and Taiko Drum Master today.
Yoshi, why can't you get off your high horse and just let people spend their money the way they want? I, and quite a few others, actually LIKE Spikeout Battle Street, as well.
Agreed. I always thought Conservatives were all into that "freedom to spend your own money" anti-socialist stuff. Just relax.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
The conservative approach is to let people invest their own money, because they can do it better than the government. Besides, all I am doing is stating basic economics. It's up to you guys if you want to go against good financial management principles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerodash
Opportunity cost, time value of money, etc., but for $5 over that period of time he wouldn't have accrued shit on it anyway. The opportunity cost to him for that $5 outlay is de minimis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
The value he gets in return is intangible. He gets peace of mind, whether valid or not, in that he believes he is guaranteed a copy of a game he wants ASAP. But you could also look at it like an option, in that he has a purchased a right (but not an obligation) to buy the game upon the initial shipment/release. This can be evidenced by Gamestops refusing to sell reserved/pre-ordered titles to non pre-order customers if supply doesn't meet demand upon release.
Jeremy, stop your noise.
I rarely do this so I don't understand the all the flamming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
WTF? I thought someone like you wouldn't be so dumb since you think you know all. The 5 bucks you put down goes to the game period. There is no intrest fee or anything like that. IF the game is 45 buck you just payed 5 bucks on the game period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
There is no way that any given game is going to be out of stock that quickly, that's why I don't pre-order.
That being said...
http://delphi.com/images/photos/Cons...oady2Large.gif
Besides I bought if off the developers website for 45.99 even. No tax and free shipping. I can very easily prove they are not charging me "interest" for it.
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Originally Posted by Chux
Tell that to the people that didn't get a copy of FF9 when it came out....
I didn't have a problem getting it.
Last time I preordered a big title, it didn't mean anything anyway. The only reason I got a copy of the Halo 2 LE is because a friend of mine was working that EB that night. I picked it up the next day as opposed to midnight, and if he didn't put it aside for me, I would have had to wait for the next shipment.
Not having enough units to sell to walk-ins is annoying enough as it is, but to then lack enough units to cover all of the store's preorders? Yeah, fuck that.
Jesus Christ are some people dense. You're paying opportunity cost because GameStop can earn interest on your money, but you can't. It's not money out of your wallet, but it is money you could have earned. Take a fucking economics class, you yard ape. If you are 20 years old and don't understand this, you need to switch fucking colleges. Your current one is failing you... unless you are in some bullshit liberal arts major, in which case you're beyond help anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerohero
No your missing the point. I put 5 bucks down because I wanted to be sure that my copy will be saved and thats was like two years ago. For the game F.E.A.R I payed in full free of shipping and tax so I think I SAVED SOME FUCKING MONEY. You need to get a clue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Your mother got a clue. You lost interest that could be recieved if you kept that money in the bank.
Assuming that tax is more than the interest you would have earned had you not given them the money this early, you are right. When Best Buy, Circuit City, or CompUSA has the game on sale for $40 the week it's released, you will have lost money again though. It doesn't make any sense to shop at GameStop or EB for mainstream titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerohero
God, you're making my head hurt with all that shit. Thank goodness we have you to make our decisions for us.
Possibly. It's paying in full months early where you get hit harder. The point to me is that unless you are getting an extremely obscure title, you aren't getting any value out of that money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
I'm not making any decisions for you. I'm trying to make people think the right way about their finances. There are more kinds of costs out there than the price tag on the item. Tax is one. Opportunity cost is another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
Who said anything about buying from Gamestop or EB? I got FEAR strait from the developers website free of shipping and tax. Now if you want to have a STUPID DEBATE on if I keept every other dollar I had and put it in the back then do it by yourself because its up to the person weither he choose to save 5 dollars or to save 500 dollars. Your original argument was did I lose money from buying the game FEAR. I just proved I didn't and saved some. Any other person will be paying $50 for the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Could you have ordered the game the day before it's released and paid the same price? If they don't bill your card until it ships, then you're right. You did fine, because if you pay off your card right away, you floated the preorder for free.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerohero
"All this arguing is taking away my horny."
OH SHITS SON! I DIDN'T KNOW HIS MOMS WAS A FREAK LIKE DAT!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chux
I used a debit card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
I agree that pre-order is basically pointless nowadays, even obscure games you can get on release day/week if you try (unless you live in the middle of nowhere, but if you have an internet connection, it is really not even a valid excuse). The only times I ever pre-ordered anything were back when I could return games back to EB/GS for store credit (and not money back), I would put the credit toward something I want.
But, the interest you lose putting $5 or $10 down (the opportunity cost) is so small that it is not even worth mentioning, unless you preorder every game under the sun (wait, Morphix? but then again, he doesn't give a crap anyway). It is good business for GS/EB to presell games. Do you honestly care you lose $.50 over the course of 2/3 months? People pay way more than that for peace of mind (in this case, guaranteeing a copy of the game) in other things, like INSURANCE.
For me it's the principle. EA and GameStop gouge every chance they get, so I'll be damned if I am going to allow them to get another $0.50 from me. The only time I shop there is when I have to have a game day one, and nowhere has it on sale that week.
Hah, you wouldn't earn that much interest in a year with interest rates the way they are, let alone a month or two. You'd be missing out on maybe 5 cents of interest at best. Awful small amount for Yoshi to be busting a corrollary about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jem, outrageous rocker
Exactly and I didn't even put 5 bucks down for the game. He just went off of what he thought he was right about to start a pointless debate.
I agree with you on the new games pricing, but they do have good deals every once in awhile.... I picked up 2 copies of Colin McRae 2005 for xbox for only $9.99 each. That's a super price for one of the best racing games, it will be hard to find another $10 game that beats this one :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Anyway, here are some more pictures of my new puppy, Napoleon
http://images12.fotki.com/v216/photo...leon039-vi.jpg
http://images12.fotki.com/v214/photo...leon041-vi.jpg
Your dog is adorable! It reminds me of when my dog was small. Remember to take a ton of pictures of him, because they grow up so fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingoffighters
Anyway, I bought this today while I was out running errands:
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/a...id=16926&stc=1
RPG Maker 3 arrived today for review, ten days before its official release. Neato.
You should really go all out on that one. Use your writing skills to their fullest. You could create the first 80 hour RPG where you never leave the first town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
Does Diablo count as an RPG?
mmm....I say no. It's really just a dungeon crawler. I can see where some would consider it an RPG, but I don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by sethsez
http://www.ebgames.com/ebx_assets/pr...ges/256867.jpg
Liking it so far. It's a simple X-COM that's fun in short bursts.
Insurance is actually worth something and provides something far more tangible than ensuring you will be able to pick up the game from a specific store even though it is readily available at 95% of stores. You idiots who are saying they dont make much interest off of it are forgetting about aggregation. They fucking pool it all together and make money off that. 10 preorders at 10 stores isnt gonna give them shit, but 50 preorders at 200 stores sure as fuck will.Quote:
People pay way more than that for peace of mind (in this case, guaranteeing a copy of the game) in other things, like INSURANCE.
Preordering is for tools.
Gamestop doesn't only take pre-orderes to make interest. They take them so you come back and buy the game. Its making a sale, man. And for all the suckers who forget to come back and claim their deposite, thats an easy $5 for Gamestop.
Also, no one on TNL has a bank account with interest rates so high that they'll make even a cent off $5 or even $50. And its not an opportunity cost, because you aren't really sacrificing anything.
And even then, who says its a bad thing for Gamestop to be making interest off my money? The very bank in which your savings are kept is doing the exact same thing.
I'll give everyone fifty cents to shut the fuck up about insurance. Everyone here wastes enough money that they have no place bitching someone out for losing a dime's worth of insurance on a preorder.
Actually, the pre-ordering really isn't that different from Insurance from the point of view of risk management.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
You buy life insurance because you know there is risk that when you die, you have nothing for your spouse/beneficiary.
You pre-order because you think there is risk that you won't be able to find the game on release day, etc.
I totally agree with you that most games are so readily available that pre-ordering is really pointless. But we all have different risk tolerance, that's why such program exists to take advantage (or provide a peace of mind benefit) to those who are less risk tolerant.
When we talk about interest accrual, we are talking from the individual/consumer's point of view, not the company (which can aggregrate and make $$ off of it). From an individual's POV, $5 isn't a significant amount of opportunity cost/loss of interest to matter to anyone (and if it does, then he/she shouldn't be spending $$ on frivolous things like videogames to begin with).
Its fairly easy to find savings accounts that offer 3%+ interest. I have one of them.Quote:
Also, no one on TNL has a bank account with interest rates so high that they'll make even a cent off $5 or even $50. And its not an opportunity cost, because you aren't really sacrificing anything.
Just got a memory card two pack and some blank tapes from Best Buy, and then went and got a record of JFK speeches from the Salvation Army. Yoshi, a mere 80 hours wouldn't cut it.
OMG morphix still hasn't posted in this thread!
Maybe he used his money for something worth while and took a vacation to see like Stone Henge or something?
I'm telling you, I really think the last thread scared him off a bit. :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Glitch 2.0
Come back to us, Morphix!
What's the interest I would earn at a bank for having 5 dollars in it for one month? Less than a penny?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
I still don't see how it matters.
Its a matter of principle. Theres only one guy I want to benefit from my money, and thats me. Things go here and there so its not always possible but why give GameStop free money for doing fuck all, even if its a penny or a dime?Quote:
Originally Posted by Opaque
I'm sure he will be back in full force sometime. He probably got tired of posting pics of everything he buys.Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Nick
It's never seemed to stop him in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerohero
He said he was going to take a break from the site and never did. Then in that last month he got a little high and mighty, got into a few arguments and then...here we are. I'm sure he's still happily posting on Opa Age or some other god awful shit like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glitch 2.0
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/s...1&page=1&pp=30
Notice his comments and reason for editing in the first post.
Christ almighty, with a sig like that I'm glad he hasn't been posting lately. My eyes are literally throbbing right now.
No kidding, I was just scrolling through past haul threads looking for a TV stand someone bought that I liked and that sig being every couple posts made my eyes hurt. I'm still seeing colors that aren't in front of me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glitch 2.0
I bought the wife a Jeep Liberty LE (Fully loaded) with the 3.7 liter V6.
http://www.jeeperz-creeperz.com/ebaypix/692S.jpg
The one we bought is Patriot Blue with grey leather interior.
Also picked up Taiko Drum Master from Best Buy for $20.
Damn, I gotta switch banks.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Just got a Samurai Spirits 3 Neo Geo cart.
I also donated $100 to relief in New Orleans...and yet the media still tells me I'm racist for being white :chick:
It's better than the alternative. You didn't rape and murder people in the Superdome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerodash
Haha, that comment was from someone starting the haul thread before him for that month. The detail was like "Fuck Morphix". He then started that thread and for some reason everyone just went with his.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
The SSX On Tour demo I ordered off of EA's site arrived.
You already got it? I better check the mail. Which one did they send you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
EDIT: Got mine too but it's for the PS2. Son of a bitch.
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Originally Posted by Rumpy
:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by morphix
I was talking about this comment:
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Originally Posted by morphix
I know. I wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumpy
Okay.
Sounds good.
Let's cyber.
Gotta wait 30 minutes. I just ate. Don't want to cramp up.
Rumpy, I got the PS2 demo as well.
Well if we're basing it off principle I should reserve more.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Kuro who posts here is a good friend of mine and an AM at my local gamestop. His ability to keep his job is linked directly to his ability to constantly push reservations and magazine subs. That one penny help make his job all the easier, and I feel good for doing it.
Good for you, then. I really dont care enough to preorder. And I worked at EB. Most people laugh at the idea of preordering, same with GameDoctors when I had to push those.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opaque
Give me a compelling reason to preorder and Ill do it. They dont even give out t-shirts and action figures that much anymore.
I'm not saying anyone should preorder.
More than anything I'm just trying to prove that Yoshi is douche for thinking his beliefs have some universal truth.
And you would be wrong, because whether your buddy works there or not does not change that you are giving GameStop more money by preordering. It is a universal truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opaque
- Skygunner
http://www.toysnjoys.com/psx2/skygunner.jpg
- Psycho "The Alfred Hitchcock Collection"
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/07...CLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
KOF Neowave (PS2)
Garou: MOTW (PS2)
Did you get the Neo-Geo PS2 joystick with your Garou?
Have you ever thrown a penny into a wishing well or small pond of a similar nature?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
http://store.dreamcatcherinteractive...word_store.jpg
http://images.google.ca/url?q=http:/.../92/673792.jpg
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/reviews...ad_iii_box.jpg
http://www.estarland.com/images/prod.../5076/4642.jpg
http://www2.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~syou526/gg-yaiba.jpg
Plus I got a demo of Genji for PS2 which is pretty cool.
Neo, whats that Yaiba game? Also, let us know how Finny the Fish is, I am curious about its worth.
http://image1.play-asia.com/350/PA.29165.002.jpg
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P...1.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
http://www.lethaldeath.com/Crimson/I...0is%20Dead.jpg
The Guile pad (xbox) and Chainsaw were new and I got them for $20 & $30 respectively. Pauly Shore is Dead was new for $10 at Best Buy. Also found a used copy of Anchorman on DVD for $5.
Nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opaque
Yaiba's a sword slashing platformer based on some anime. I have never seen the anime but the game is good. http://www.vgmuseum.com/pics3/yaiba.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Clash!
I think Finny's an underrated game. It's unique and has a great sense of adventure to it. Most reviewers don't seem to like it as much as I do though.
http://media.bestprices.com/content/...0375726543.jpg
I'm really looking forward to reading this one.
http://www.atlus.com/toa/images/toa_boxart.jpg
Myself and a friend of mine had been looking everywhere for this game since we both traded ours a while ago. Then, long after we'd stopped looking, we go to a mall that was a little out of the way and the GameStop there had two used copies. I got one and my friend will probably go for the other.
http://www.rvgnet.net/descriptions/images/101249.jpg
I got this one off a friend who was going to donate it at the local EB. I had always meant to play it again, but never got around to it, so I gave him like 5 bucks to donate in its place.
Issue 4 of HGM arrived in the mail today.
Same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
I like the cover, even though it isn't exactly "cover material".
I keep on forgetting the buy the first two issues so I'll have the whole set. The prices on them keep going up, too, so I need to get my ass in gear.
lolsQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
I bet you don't tip either cause you could use that for more intrest......Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Anyway,
http://www.finaldestinationcollectib...facvincent.jpg
There's a good chance I tip better than you, fag. Waiters do more than fuck all.Quote:
I bet you don't tip either cause you could use that for more intrest......
Cool new avatar, Glitch.
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0...CMZZZZZZZ_.jpg
'Twas shidoshi's doing, foo'.Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Nick