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Awesome. Trigonometry is the math I hate most.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slashdot
So, now let's all dance on the grave of the mighty SOHCAHTOA!
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Awesome. Trigonometry is the math I hate most.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slashdot
So, now let's all dance on the grave of the mighty SOHCAHTOA!
I never made it past Geometry.
Diffusion is really missing out on the commentary this week.
I would fill in for him and reply "Mortal Kombat" but I don't really feel like getting banned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumpy
Trig can suck it by the way.
Finally! I've been claiming for years that cosines were obsolete.
Yeah I could never grasp this shit in highschool.
I think I actually developed a phobia for it :(
He'd actually write shit on this topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr-K
I guess he's learning a valuable lesson this time then. Don't talk shit, because you never know when new theories about complex mathematical equations are going to pop up. And also threads concerning them.
I'm not sure if there's anything revolutionary about this guy's work, but it's about time somebody put forth a complete and usable alternative system to trig.
Quaternions have been around since the 1800's, afterall.
I guess I'm a freak for never minding trigonometry. It was one of the units I could get an A in without paying attention... Always seemed silly, but entirely understandable to me.
Trig identities are a bitch.
LOL, that brings back memories.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaoofNee
:cry:
Maybe he'll get some kind of prize for squaring the circle.
HAHA, that's awesome, I remember that from Geometry class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhydant
Trig isn't so bad, right now I'm in AP Calculus.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
Im going to go burn an old math text book in celebration
I was actually very good in Trig. That SOHCAHTOA shit was priceless.
What is this, math for dummies? Trigonometry was not only easy, but it's necessary as well. This limey bastard needs to STFU. This is like saying that Physics doesn't need mass.
why you gotta ruin our buzz? Damn son.
I agree. If you actually read through that instead of saying that trig sucks, he's managing to produce the same results as traditional trig, whilst making it way more complicated.Quote:
Originally posted by Yoshi
What is this, math for dummies? Trigonometry was not only easy, but it's necessary as well. This limey bastard needs to STFU. This is like saying that Physics doesn't need mass.
It may have useful applications in more advanced maths, I don't know, but teaching that to kids is just pointless.
Nothing was wrong with SOHCAHTOA, so why fix what's not broken?
Anything that makes complex concepts easier for the masses to understand is a good thing in my book.
Good show.
If you are posting in this thread to let us know you understand Trig without this new info, great for you. Move on.
We teach kids to memorize multiplication tables LONG before they truly understand what multiplication really means and how to do it for numbers you didn't memorize. IF this new approach can get people a functional understanding of what to do, then it is for the best.
If it makes it easier then heck yea cause I'm taking Trig this semester. The first chapter are like what ever...... then the BS starts.
Personally, I think that this is great. I'm perfectly fine with the current system of sine, cosine, and tangent, but I think that it's great news that even a few millenia after the creation of trig, it is still being redefined and refined.
COHCAHTOA is for retarded fags. All you need to remember is fucking TOA.Quote:
Originally Posted by burky
Bitches.
Being able to express geometry with rational numbers instead of trig functions has huge implications for computers, since it eliminates the need for trig look-up tables or trig algorithms.
Sure, as long as you can remember that that tan=sin/cos.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
If you can't remember tan=sin/cos, that long mind trick BS isn't going to help you. You need tan = sin/cos to work many trig and calc problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by kedawa
SOHCAHTOA is useful for people like carpenters, who may occasionally need basic trig, but don't have any use for calculus.
You're taking trig in college? UNC is even worse than I thought. I thought even the slow kids took trig as a junior in high school.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerohero
You guy's realise that trig functions are no more complicated than circles right? Right? Are circles confusing?
I'm going to read this before I comment further.
You can't. Irrationals come into the picture as soon as you want to study something as simple as a square. Trancendentals enter the picture as soon as you want to study a circle.Quote:
Being able to express geometry with rational numbers instead of trig functions has huge implications for computers, since it eliminates the need for trig look-up tables or trig algorithms.
The trig functions are merely the ratios of two sides of a triangle. Really, they aren't that hard folks.
I think it's Geometry jr. year. Slow kids don't get up to Trig.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
At all the schools in my area, Geometry is Freshman, Algebra Sophomore, Trig Junior and Alg. 2 Senior.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumpy
Holy shit. I took Geometry as a Freshman, Algebra II and Trig as a Sophomore, Pre-Calc as a Junior, and AP Calc as a Senior.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumpy
I finished college 8 years ago and have never once found the need for any of this stuff.
Jodie Foster used it to contact aliens. Maybe you just haven't applied yourself?Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
If you drive a car, you're wrong. Literature, on the other hand, doesn't do shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
The fact that I can read your insane rantings only serves to disprove this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
That's not literature. I am a firm believer in learning proper grammar, spelling, and writing in general. Literature, however, is no higher an art form than video games.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
You can't be serious. Without literature there would be no proper grammar, spelling, etc. It's the same with painting, or sculpting; the rules for it, the styles, they don't develop in a vaccum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
i remember faking "chief" socatoah as a reference for a quote in one of my forensics speeches, not one of those half sedated college kids who really are just there for beer money realize i was bs'ing and had just made the quote up myself because it sounded cool and supported my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaoofNee
You mean the kids didn't have a comprehensive knowledge of the nature and viewpoints of chiefs that may have had something to do with the topic that you were informing them about? THE FOOLS.
yeah, but you're a dumb nerd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
That's a contradiction in terms. Wait, that's too highbrow of a statement for you so let me "IP it" (dumb it down) for you:Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
THAT DON'T MAKE NO SENSE LOL WTF NEK HAIR!
I think he is talking about lit outside of writings about real things. I don't think Yoshi considers letters, journals, science papers, text books, manuals, or manuscripts to be Lit. He is probably talking about bullshit like Faust and Dante's InfernoQuote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
it made 100% sense. Being a nerd does not make you smart. It only means you are smart in certain things.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Like I'm a nerd when it comes to say, Macross. And yet I'm dumb when it comes to writing.
Ass.
Without the literary tradition, which starts out not as scientific journals or manuscripts but as stories either concocted by the author or penned out to preserve the oral tradition in the new form of written word. Orwell handily proved that a very simplistic language could exist that was functional, but oppressive because it removed all the vocabulary and emotion that comes from literature's influence on the craft of writing. Thus, when any of us puts pen to paper or finger to key we owe it to Homer, Shakespeare, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
LOL, you're a Macross nerd. Eat my feces, Micronian scum.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
This mathematical "breakthrough" is bullshit. THIS is the one, true math :noob:
:lol:
I have serious doubts that early writing was developed for the creation of fiction. I am willing to bet that the first written languages started as a way to keep records of tools and how much grain was left after each meal. After that people probably started to record important historical and religious events. Only after that did people start to write fictional literature.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Written language would still be where it is today with out fiction. People need and want to write about real things. It would have evolved if only for that reason. Language would be just as colorful as it is today because it would need to mimic the way we talk to each other. People would want to record life in much the same way they experience it.
BTW, your first sentence, is not a complete thought.
P.S. Shakespeare is a worthless bastard and has done nothing for literature or the world. His plays are only good for quoting. And even then there are far more quoteable things, like Monty Python's Holy Grail.
hahah. i'm taking trigonometry this year. wait'll i show everyone the textbook is wrong.
Well you're wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
No, now you're talking about the origin of math and ways by which to represent value. With writing we see the primary focus being on recording history into what we call fiction but what was then merely indulgence of myth tinged with historical fact. Homer's Odyessy for example, a work that more than likely contains grains of truth but pounds of imagination. The Bible is another example, where historical events are recorded but colored with a mythological context.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
This is a ridiculous notion. You're seemingly unable to understand that literature doesn't merely refer to fiction. Besides, on what grounds do you say that people 'need' and 'want' to write about real things? I say that people feel a need to write what they want to be remembered, what they want others to read. As to it being as 'colorful' without literature, that's possibly the stupidest non-point you've made today. I can only hope that in retrospect you'll see how wrong it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
Your one good point. Yes, I made a mistake. That makes the tally:Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
IP: 3,450,608,900
g0zen: 1
And with this statement you should cement how completely moronic you are in the minds of any hold outs here who might have thought you otherwise. Every TV show, every book, and without a doubt every movie you've ever watched and liked takes from Shakespeare in one way or another.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
LOL @ Ironplant trying to argue a point.
I'd say it does for me what trig and cal do for you. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
All the theory, equations, formulas, and crap in those classes has never served me a wit of purpose. Do you apply those concepts in practice in things like driving? Perhaps, just like people apply metaphors and similes, etc in daily life without ever having taken a literature class.
I'd say that anyone who thinks literature is useless is just frustrated at their inability to comprehend it. How you can stroke your cock about being big-brained about math while downplaying the importance of literature is simply LOL.
Wait. In America you do trig when you're 16?! I learnt that shit when I was like 12.Quote:
Originally posted by Anarkex
hahah. i'm taking trigonometry this year. wait'll i show everyone the textbook is wrong.
At what age do you start calc then?
I dropped literature two years ago, and it has been no use since. Literature doesnt send rockets into space, or make your computer work.Quote:
Originally posted by Melf
I'd say that anyone who thinks literature is useless is just frustrated at their inability to comprehend it. How you can stroke your cock about being big-brained about math while downplaying the importance of literature is simply LOL.
All literature did for me was to ruin any good book by making me spend too much time on it writing essays, etc, which just made me hate the book.
For example, all the people in my class hate John Steinbeck because they studied "Of Mice and Men", yet personally I enjoyed the book, and he is one of my favourite authors.
I cannot see any point in studying literature, unless you're going to be an author, although the existance of literature itself is very important
Just had my first test today....... :bang:
:rolleyes:And this will help me do trig.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerodash
ANd exactly how does sin = y/r help you with your car?......Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
That's what I'm saying. Literature is about as necessary for most people to get through daily life as trig and calc are. They are, however, very important to how the world and society function as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by burky
Oh, I understand the technical meaning of the word. My comments were in refrence to the popular meaning of the word. You are aware that the average person considers lit to be fictionional works and poetry becuase that is what the class of the same name goes over, correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I'll probably never understand how "wrong" I am. At the end of the day your ramblings are nothing more than those of a stupid idiot trying to justify the worth of the few meaningless subjects he is good at. I don't care to understand that type of thinking.
Perhaps the shitty parts. The complex structure, wording, and style is never used and has never been used by any other great work by any other author. The only thing people take from Shakespeare is drama for the sake of drama. Writers could have just as easily taken that aspect from any other play write of the time and before.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
The fact that you really think Shakespeare has influenced "every book" shows how blinded and biased you are for literature. Your opinion on the subject is virtually meaningless. I have to wonder if you've even had an education in lit and theater history past highschool english and the fags in drama class.
It was used to make your car more airodynamic and to make the engine use less gas. Trig and calc is why your not driving a model TQuote:
Originally Posted by Zerohero
LOL @ FirstBlood for never getting to see POS and missing Therion.Quote:
Originally Posted by FirstBlood
lol, I've never had a problem getting at least a B in my college level lit classes. Hell, I've been complemented several times on my ease and speed of comprehension of lit and my ability to find deep meanings that most people miss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
I lol at you sir, I lol.
Well then you must just be a terrible, terrible writer because none of this has ever come across over the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
plus you're from the south, where everyone's an idiot.
Yeah, I keep forgetting that. Mark Twain, William Faulkner, Jim Henson, and James Earl Jones are all so stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by FirstBlood
=/ We never really talk about anything that matters here.Quote:
Originally Posted by FirstBlood
TNL is little more than people beating each other in the head with opinions.
Every once in a while, there are exceptions, people born to live through harsh surroundings and overcome them to be made stronger. You are not one of these exceptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
And you can't even do that competently.Quote:
TNL is little more than people beating each other in the head with opinions.
Did you even read the .pdf?Quote:
Originally Posted by NoboruWataya
As long as you store both the denominators and the numerators in the s and q values, then you can define polygons entirely with whole (i.e. rational) numbers.
Obviously you still need to deal with irrational and imaginary numbers when defining curved surfaces, but that doesn't negate the implications for polygons.
It what ways? When I think of Trig as of now, all I think of are triangles, circles and graphs. You maybe if they actually focused on teaching us Trig instead of rushing it through our brain, maybe so many people wouldn't hate math let alone trig.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
School's generally teach you how to pass math tests, rather than how to understand the underlying theory.