Tecmo's Deception 4 (AKA Trapt)

Well, okay, it's not actually called Tecmo's Deception 4. But despite its incredibly gay name ("Trapt"), it is indeed another game in Tecmo's series of booby trap-laden puzzle games.

I found the original PS1 trio a fairly fun batch of games, but not without their problems. The original's plotline, where you actually served the Evil Lord Satan and could turn your victims (including your girlfriend) into savage attack zombies, was the best, while the trap combos and improved interface introduced in the following two sequels improved the slow and clunky gameplay a great deal. It was annoying in the sequels that you were no longer a servant of absolute evil and instead were reduced to the role of an innocent girl acting in "self-defense," but whatever. The games were still fun.

Basically, Trapt (what a stupid fucking name) appears to be more of the same, except on PS2. Graphically, it looks exactly like the earlier games in the series- if this was 6 or 7 years ago, that would mean good, but nowadays, that means it looks like complete shit. Look for your self- can you tell the PS1 and PS2 screens apart? If so, you win a prize.
http://psxmedia.ign.com/media/previe...ception3_2.jpg
http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/ar...9010632015.jpg

Hopefully these are just crappy screenshots and the game actually isn't a grainy jag-fest. I really want Trapt (ugggh) to be good.

Anyway, here's a hands-on link: http://ps2.ign.com/articles/655/655806p1.html

This looked way better in video at E3.

And yeah, Trapt... what a fucking retarded name change.

Shit, I was reading about this last month and thought "Wow, it's coming out that soon? I better check TNL for a thread and put down a pre-order." Sonabitch I forgot all about it. I know it looks like ass but I still want it, and I'm sure it comes out this month doesn't it?

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Originally Posted by g0zen

and I'm sure it comes out this month doesn't it?

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EB lists the release date as 10/18, so yes.

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Originally Posted by Xeno G

This looked way better in video at E3.

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Glad to hear that.

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And yeah, Trapt... what a fucking retarded name change.

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What was it called before?

Click click.

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Originally Posted by Dolemite

Graphically, it looks exactly like the earlier games in the series- if this was 6 or 7 years ago, that would mean good, but nowadays, that means it looks like complete shit.

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Kagero 2 (I hate to go f*****-chan on everyone here but the name 'Trapt' is stupid) does not look that great, but comparing it to the PS1 version is insane:

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Originally Posted by BrAnDX105

On a side note, I went back and played Kagero over last winter break because my friend had a copy, and while the gameplay still kicks complete ass, the graphics and controls sure have aged horribly. The non analog control mixed with the muddy low res textures really made me want a new version of the game and now its finally almost here.

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Originally Posted by Dipstick

Same experience as BrandX, except I went back and played through the third one instead of the second (never played the second one, oddly enough). Guh at the framerate and the muddiness and the swimming textures and the load times and how did I put up with this shit years ago?

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-Dippy

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Originally Posted by Dipstick

Kagero 2 (I hate to go f*****-chan on everyone here but the name 'Trapt' is stupid) does not look that great, but comparing it to the PS1 version is insane:

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Why didn't they just call it "Tecmo's Other Deception"?

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Originally Posted by Dipstick

Click click.

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That's nice. I searched for the game's name, Trapt, and also Deception. Nada. Fuck this "Kagero 2."

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Kagero 2 (I hate to go f*****-chan on everyone here but the name 'Trapt' is stupid) does not look that great, but comparing it to the PS1 version is insane:

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Look at the screenshots. They look just like the PS1 games. Based on that I don't see how it's insane.

mmmm ive always loved my some TD. suprised it took them this long to get another out.

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Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Dyne

mmmm ive always loved my some TD. suprised it took them this long to get another out.

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Probably why they went with the cool, EXTREME sounding Trapt name, since no one would remember "Kagero: Deception 2."

I have no problem renaming games, but Trapt is so totally gay.

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Originally Posted by Dolemite

Probably why they went with the cool, EXTREME sounding Trapt name, since no one would remember "Kagero: Deception 2."

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Actually, it would be Deception 4: Kagero 2: Dark Illusion (: Yoshi's Island :lol: ).

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I have no problem renaming games, but Trapt is so totally gay.

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Totally. And isn't there a shitty band with the exact same name?

I really don't like how much they've gayed this game up, not even talking about the name. It used to be, "People are coming into your home, have fun putting them through hell." Now it is, "Oh no, the new queen doesn't like you, protect yourself!"

I think I played the second game on the PSX, but it was great to kill some random knight trying to make a name for himself, and then kill his young daughter who was looking for her lost father.

I didn't even know this was coming stateside, I've had the import for a while, but gave up on it because of the language.

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Originally Posted by Bacon McShig

Actually, it would be Deception 4: Kagero 2: Dark Illusion (: Yoshi's Island :lol: ).

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Actually, I was referring to the name of the second PS1 game in my post (Kagero: Deception 2, which Trapt, AKA Kagero 2, appears to be a sequel to), not what Trapt SHOULD have been called. Why I did that...um, beats me. But I DO know this is the fourth game in the series, anyway, right after Deception 3: Dark Delusion.

I don't think that made much sense, but whatever. :)

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Totally. And isn't there a shitty band with the exact same name?

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OMG, there is: http://www.trapt.com/

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Originally Posted by shidoshi

I really don't like how much they've gayed this game up, not even talking about the name. It used to be, "People are coming into your home, have fun putting them through hell." Now it is, "Oh no, the new queen doesn't like you, protect yourself!"

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Yeah, I said that in my initial post. I mean, in the first game you served motherfucking SATAN!

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I think I played the second game on the PSX, but it was great to kill some random knight trying to make a name for himself, and then kill his young daughter who was looking for her lost father.

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There's lots of cool, twisted things like that in the series. I remember one time (I forget which game), this husband and wife were outside my castle. They were afraid to go in because they heard what an evil bastard I was, but they thought a cure to their daughter's fatal illness was inside and were determined to risk their lives to find it and bring it to her. Of course, I killed them both, and their little daughter was then shown dying alone...crying for her mommy and daddy, who never came back.

Ha ha.

I think I said this in the other thread, but I'm just going to call this game Trap-T.



http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/compass/9808/gang2.jpg


sounds cooler that way. and all of the G-money's will buy it for shizzle, YO.

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Originally Posted by Xeno G

This looked way better in video at E3.

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Yeah the video made it look awesome, especially when it was showing some of the more elaborate traps. Dole, if you haven't already, I highly recommend going to GameTrailers and watching the E3 video. It may help alleviate your fears and restore your faith.

http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/s...3&postcount=23

And yeah, the import has serious language barriers, so I can't wait for the US version.

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Originally Posted by Korly

http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/s...3&postcount=23

And yeah, the import has serious language barriers, so I can't wait for the US version.

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Originally Posted by Chux

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Served? Because I'm not an F-youknowhat and know the game's Japanese name?

I said above that I serched for Deception and Trapt and nada. So blame TNL's lame search engine and not me.

Review: http://ps2.ign.com/articles/657/657604p1.html

That's about what I'd figured it'd get. Still, nothing in the review made me think it wasn't going to be a good game, or atleast less than I expected from it.

Doesn't sound like it's advanced the genre (if this type of game can be considered to actually be a part of any established genre to begin with) at all since the PS1 games. Only three traps at a time (wall, ceiling, floor), one or two environmental traps per room, even the trap selection sounds exactly the same. Just like the last two in the series.

I really want to be able to set up insane trap combos, like something out of Mousetrap or a Wile E. Coyote cartoon. I want to be able to string multiple traps along and juggle people, then bat them into other traps, and just go on and on, but with skill. Something like that should have to be well thought-out to produce the symphony of death that I'm describing.

This series has so much potential but they keep limiting themselves in their design. You'd figure they'd try to embellish the trap combos now that the series is on more powerful hardware, but noooo. Same old shit.

Did anyone here actually get this game? I'm pretty much planning on buying it when it's 10 dollars in a couple months, but I wanted to know how it compares to the last two games in the series. I loved the hell out of the Deception II demo I had, but have never actually owned one of the games. It seems like I might as well buy this one, unless it has regressed somehow.

I've been waiting for the price to fall due to weak reviews, but it is a Tecmo game and they seem to hold their prices high forever.

What I understand is that it hasn't regressed at all, but hasn't progressed either. Better control that the old games is all I ask for. That and better graphics. :yuck:

Don't expect the prices to fall on this one. For lesser games, Tecmo prints very few copies. So if you wait you'll just be paying $50+ for a used copy.

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Originally Posted by Salsashark

Did anyone here actually get this game? I'm pretty much planning on buying it when it's 10 dollars in a couple months, but I wanted to know how it compares to the last two games in the series. I loved the hell out of the Deception II demo I had, but have never actually owned one of the games. It seems like I might as well buy this one, unless it has regressed somehow.

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I bought it, and it's ok.

The story is HORRIBLE, and the voice acting never even got translated into English. After about level 4, I just started skipping the story scenes. The camera when you kill people is a bit lacking. The AI is really dumb sometimes. Killing people can be awesome fun. The Dark Illusion traps are awesome. The game is really easy.

Very repetitious, though the concept is original. Story is unbearable and very slow to evolve, if you can even understand what's going on (because it's so poorly translated). Also, everytime you kill someone they have some cliche to spout before they croak. Annoying. And the game is mind-numbingly easy.

It was boring, the traps that weren't room-specific were lame, and the story was garbage beyond belief. I beat the game in a little over 4 hours, and felt like I'd wasted those hours of my precious life. To make matters worse, I didn't get jack when I traded it in.

You must've skipped an awful lot of the "story" to get done in 4 hours.

Not really. I did all the sidequests, but I guess according to the choices I made the game ended 'early'? I got the credits and everything. I wasn't about to replay it.

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(because it's so poorly translated)

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The fact that I can hear what the girls name is, and then I see the Sub and it's COMPLETLY different. That bugs me.

I rented this from gamefly a couple of weeks ago and I found it to be boring. Somehow I remember having more fun with tecmo's deception way back in the day.

http://www.joystiq.com/2014/02/02/tr...s-ps2-classic/

Coming soon to the PS store as a PS2 Classic.

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Originally Posted by Dolemite

Doesn't sound like it's advanced the genre (if this type of game can be considered to actually be a part of any established genre to begin with) at all since the PS1 games. Only three traps at a time (wall, ceiling, floor), one or two environmental traps per room, even the trap selection sounds exactly the same. Just like the last two in the series.

I really want to be able to set up insane trap combos, like something out of Mousetrap or a Wile E. Coyote cartoon. I want to be able to string multiple traps along and juggle people, then bat them into other traps, and just go on and on, but with skill. Something like that should have to be well thought-out to produce the symphony of death that I'm describing.

This series has so much potential but they keep limiting themselves in their design. You'd figure they'd try to embellish the trap combos now that the series is on more powerful hardware, but noooo. Same old shit.

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Well, it only took 9 years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-MI-...ature=youtu.be

Mommy...

That looks awesome! Is that new?

Yeah, the new one coming for the Vita.

Deception IV is up on PSN but as much as I want to play it there is just no way in hell I am paying sixty dollars for it. These games have always been jank city, so launching at the maximum retail price seems crazy to me.

If it was cross-buy at $60 I'd consider it but now I'll just wait for the Vita version to drop in price.

Tecmo still makes games that aren't Doa or Ninja Gaiden?

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Originally Posted by Korly

These games have always been jank city, so launching at the maximum retail price seems crazy to me.

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Says the biggest Tekken fanatic ever! $60 is definitely pricey, but after watching some videos of this, it looks absolutely ludicrous and fun. If it's even 1/3 as much fun as the other Deception games, it's worth every penny as far as I'm concerned. Though this won't be getting any purchase or attention until Dark Souls 2 is finished.

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Originally Posted by Brand X

Says the biggest Tekken fanatic ever! $60 is definitely pricey, but after watching some videos of this, it looks absolutely ludicrous and fun. If it's even 1/3 as much fun as the other Deception games, it's worth every penny as far as I'm concerned. Though this won't be getting any purchase or attention until Dark Souls 2 is finished.

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Tekken is a lot of things, but it has never been jank.

Tekken Tag Tournament 2 is the most polished and complete fighting game of the generation. Maybe ever.

I'm ok with this statement.

TTT2 is great

Namco should port it to PC

Agreed. And people ask Harada about that on Twitter every day.

I got this. It's pretty much the same as the other deception games, but its awesome to have one on a portable.

The traps feel beefy as shit and it feels great when you execute an elaborate combo. I could just be shit, but the game gets pretty damn difficult. I think i need to get better at using my abilities.

As you play through, you unlock the ability to lay more traps, which combined with the plethora of stage traps allows you to do some pretty crazy mousetrap shit (I like making loops to trap people in). You are given a limit to how many traps you can use, but you can use them from any category - eg you can have 5 floor traps in play if you want, you just can't use the same trap twice.